Dawson's Creek

*Andrew NDB* · 01-16-2021, 05:03 PM

Any fans? Believe it or not I was big into the teenage soaps of my day (90210, Melrose Place, Party of 5) but I never really ever caught any of Dawson's Creek... until now, that it's on Netflix.

I really love the characterizations and Kevin Williamson dialogue. I also didn't realize Dawson himself was like a budding filmmaker... they sneak in a bunch of "film speak" stuff that most people never caught or appreciated.

It seems a little unique from the other soaps in that every time someone gets together at long last... within 2 or 3 episodes the relationship is completely doomed. Jen and Joey are really something else.

*Coola Yagami* · 01-16-2021, 06:01 PM

Only thing I remember is most everyone had this... very elaborate way of speaking. I remember hearing people say 'these are supposed to be teenagers, who the hell talks like that at 16?"

*Icebot* · 01-16-2021, 06:53 PM

It’s a good show, I’ve only seen maybe 20 episodes, I plan to watch the whole series, it’ll take a long time.

I’ve never heard the name Pacey before and I don’t know of anyone by that name besides the character in the show.

I like the theme song by Paula Cole I don’t wanna wait.

*neatoman* · 01-17-2021, 01:13 PM

So does anyone have the Dawson's Creek Trapper Keeper with computerised assimilation functionality?

*ZariusTwo* · 01-17-2021, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Icebot

I like the theme song by Paula Cole I don’t wanna wait.

I love how Cartman made use of it in South Park

*IMJ* · 01-17-2021, 04:13 PM

I wanted to pull a Leo656 and contribute to this thread by saying that I have nothing to contribute to this thread.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-17-2021, 04:30 PM

I wanted to pull a Leo656 and say that I never watched this show but I think Katie Holmes is hot.

*Andrew NDB* · 01-17-2021, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I wanted to pull a Leo656 and say that I never watched this show but I think Katie Holmes is hot.

Absolutely. I think Michelle Williams (who plays Jen in this) is pretty overrated, though. She has like... "old lady face."

If you like Katie Holmes, check her out in "Miss Meadows" from a few years back. She's like a goodie goodie serial killer. Very good. I think it's still on Amazon Prime.

*Icebot* · 01-17-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I love how Cartman made use of it in South Park

I never really watched South Park so I had no idea. When did that happen?

~~ABrown~~ · 01-17-2021, 07:42 PM

Never really got into Dawon's Creek. I was a huge Beverly Hills 90210, Melrose Place, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Angel fan. But not Dawson.

*CyberCubed* · 01-17-2021, 08:40 PM

I generally don't watch teen romance shows aimed at 14 year old girls, so this is a no from me.

*Storm Eagle* · 01-18-2021, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Icebot

I like the theme song by Paula Cole I don’t wanna wait.

They were originally going to use "Hand in My Pocket" by Alanis Morissette as the theme song. There was even a hint at that in the finale. I think that's the only part of the series that I decided to check out.

*Andrew NDB* · 01-18-2021, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Storm Eagle

They were originally going to use "Hand in My Pocket" by Alanis Morissette as the theme song. There was even a hint at that in the finale. I think that's the only part of the series that I decided to check out.

Neither that song or the actual TV song used for Dawson's Creek appear in the Netflix version. They had to remove it, apparently. It's there in the series finale, though.

*Storm Eagle* · 01-18-2021, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Neither that song or the actual TV song used for Dawson's Creek appear in the Netflix version. They had to remove it, apparently. It's there in the series finale, though.

The same goes for the DVD releases too, from what I just read.

*Coola Yagami* · 01-18-2021, 02:49 AM

Copyright issues with the songs.

I wish there was some sort of rule, law or guideline, that if a show, movie or whatever is released with this or that song, too bad, that's it. It's a part of the show and it will always be part of the show for future releases, copyright be damned.

Also I don't get it, don't the song makers want royalties, or is the deal that whoever is re-releasing the show doesn't want to pay royalties?

*Andrew NDB* · 01-18-2021, 03:52 AM

I've heard it explained a couple of times to me but I'm still a little fuzzy. Basically I think to save money for the production, only some artists were willing to sign "in perpetuity" agreements, and others were not. Since shows like Dawson's Creek and Buffy and such all came out in the mid to late 90s, none of the studios were too worried about long term agreements for stuff like DVDs or certainly streaming. Like if they spent more money, Paula Cole's song could have been signed in perpetuity but the studio didn't care and presumably Paula Cole's agent didn't press the issue.

Meanwhile, a Google search shows Paula Cole kind of pissed about this. That basically all they had to do was ask her and she would have said "yes" to the Netflix and DVD stuff (for free or some small pittance)... but they never did.

*ZariusTwo* · 01-18-2021, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Icebot

I never really watched South Park so I had no idea. When did that happen?

Years back, Cartman began randomly singing it while beating someone to death with a wooden plank and again when disposing of the body

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01-16-2021, 05:03 PM	#1
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	Dawson's Creek Any fans? Believe it or not I was big into the teenage soaps of my day (90210, Melrose Place, Party of 5) but I never really ever caught any of Dawson's Creek... until now, that it's on Netflix. I really love the characterizations and Kevin Williamson dialogue. I also didn't realize Dawson himself was like a budding filmmaker... they sneak in a bunch of "film speak" stuff that most people never caught or appreciated. It seems a little unique from the other soaps in that every time someone gets together at long last... within 2 or 3 episodes the relationship is completely doomed. Jen and Joey are really something else. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

01-16-2021, 06:01 PM	#2
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,719	Only thing I remember is most everyone had this... very elaborate way of speaking. I remember hearing people say 'these are supposed to be teenagers, who the hell talks like that at 16?" __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

01-17-2021, 04:13 PM	#6
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01-18-2021, 02:49 AM	#15
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,719	Copyright issues with the songs. I wish there was some sort of rule, law or guideline, that if a show, movie or whatever is released with this or that song, too bad, that's it. It's a part of the show and it will always be part of the show for future releases, copyright be damned. Also I don't get it, don't the song makers want royalties, or is the deal that whoever is re-releasing the show doesn't want to pay royalties? __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

01-16-2021, 06:53 PM	#3
Icebot Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 3,225	It’s a good show, I’ve only seen maybe 20 episodes, I plan to watch the whole series, it’ll take a long time. I’ve never heard the name Pacey before and I don’t know of anyone by that name besides the character in the show. I like the theme song by Paula Cole I don’t wanna wait.

01-17-2021, 04:30 PM	#7
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I wanted to pull a Leo656 and say that I never watched this show but I think Katie Holmes is hot.

01-17-2021, 07:42 PM	#10
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	Never really got into Dawon's Creek. I was a huge Beverly Hills 90210, Melrose Place, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Angel fan. But not Dawson.

01-17-2021, 08:40 PM	#11
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,888	I generally don't watch teen romance shows aimed at 14 year old girls, so this is a no from me.

01-18-2021, 03:52 AM	#16
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	I've heard it explained a couple of times to me but I'm still a little fuzzy. Basically I think to save money for the production, only some artists were willing to sign "in perpetuity" agreements, and others were not. Since shows like Dawson's Creek and Buffy and such all came out in the mid to late 90s, none of the studios were too worried about long term agreements for stuff like DVDs or certainly streaming. Like if they spent more money, Paula Cole's song could have been signed in perpetuity but the studio didn't care and presumably Paula Cole's agent didn't press the issue. Meanwhile, a Google search shows Paula Cole kind of pissed about this. That basically all they had to do was ask her and she would have said "yes" to the Netflix and DVD stuff (for free or some small pittance)... but they never did. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]