WandaVision

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Isn't that the point though? They can't blow their wad early or it won't last past the third episode.

You don't need to 'blow the wad' early, but they could at the very least have advanced and enhanced the situation more than they did here.

[AquaParade]

I agree with the majority here. It drags a bit, but there is an effective, eerie tone. Looking forward to more.

If nothing else, it may be the most unique thing the MCU has done within it’s own catalogue. That alone has me excited for the other upcoming projects.

[Coola Yagami]

Honestly though, I kinda don't like any of these new shows coming out. Like I'm glad Wanda is at least in the next Dr Strange movie. I know End Game was final, but it didn't have to be for anyone but the core (movie) Avengers. Hell, Thor is still going on adventures, and it follows the comics all Hulk has to do is get really made (accidentally or some other incident) to turn him back into OG Hulk and his healing factor will heal up his arm.

I just feel these shows, even though they might be interesting or whatever, really water down the brand and almost guarantees that their movie fun is over. While Cap and Iron Man are gone, I'd like to know if some other big threat happens, at least Falcon, War Machine, Thor, Wanda and whoever else are still there to protect the world alongside whatever new characters they bring in (X-Men or Miss Marvel or what-have-you).

[CyberCubed]

They are probably just trying to get more mileage out of the actors until they get too old or get too busy working in other shows/movies. It makes sense, the MCU has been going on over 12 years now and there's no guarantee how much longer they can keep the same cast.

Eventually in the year 2030+ they'll probably have to do a full reboot with a new Iron man, Thor, Captain America, Hulk, etc. with a whole new set of young actors, so might as well squeeze the current cast for everything they can.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They are probably just trying to get more mileage out of the actors until they get too old or get too busy working in other shows/movies. It makes sense, the MCU has been going on over 12 years now and there's no guarantee how much longer they can keep the same cast.

Eventually in the year 2030+ they'll probably have to do a full reboot with a new Iron man, Thor, Captain America, Hulk, etc. with a whole new set of young actors, so might as well squeeze the current cast for everything they can.

They don't really have to reboot all those characters and recast them. They can just use the characters that are the next generation of those. Look at Hawkeye for example. Kate Bishop became the new Hawkeye in the Comics. Also Ironheart replaces Tony Stark's Ironman.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

They don't really have to reboot all those characters and recast them. They can just use the characters that are the next generation of those. Look at Hawkeye for example. Kate Bishop became the new Hawkeye in the Comics. Also Ironheart replaces Tony Stark's Ironman.

Yeah nobody cares about them.

It'll definitely be a full reboot eventually. Probably revisiting Time Travel Shenanigans as a way to both preserve the idea of original MCU timeline for people who don't want to see it thrown out or ignored entirely, and also to explain why suddenly everyone looks younger and entirely different.

I doubt they'd gamble the future of the brand on "scab" replacements for their most iconic characters when they could whip up a new Tony Stark tomorrow if they felt like it. Like three people would whine and everybody else would go along, just like when Xavier and Magneto and the other X-Men got recast. "They'll never be able to replace Patrick Stewart!" and then they just went ahead and did that. Same thing.

Speaking of the X-Men, though, smart money says that will be the "buffer" between the original MCU and the Reboot MCU. That makes the most sense, to me. I mean you can't focus on too many things at once anyway, and they're absolutely bringing the X-Men in sooner rather than later, so for a few years the MCU will be less "Avengers"-centric and more "X-Men"-centric. And then eventually they'll probably do another "Days of Future Past" adaptation, which will cause havoc with the timeline and allow the Avengers like Captain America and Iron Man to come back with new actors, and THEN they'll do the inevitable X-Men/Avengers cross-over and make 8 billion dollars.

That's one of the biggest reasons you know they'll do a reboot. They are 100% going to do an X-Men/Avengers movie and they're absolutely not going to do that with "scabs". They're going to include the "real" Avengers like Cap and Iron Man or else they're not gonna bother. They'll be different actors, but it won't be "Ironheart" or whoever, it'll be Iron Man. Guaranteed. So even if they do one or two movies with the scabs between Now and Then, they definitely won't be sticking around.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Yeah nobody cares about them.

It'll definitely be a full reboot eventually. Probably revisiting Time Travel Shenanigans as a way to both preserve the idea of original MCU timeline for people who don't want to see it thrown out or ignored entirely, and also to explain why suddenly everyone looks younger and entirely different.

I doubt they'd gamble the future of the brand on "scab" replacements for their most iconic characters when they could whip up a new Tony Stark tomorrow if they felt like it. Like three people would whine and everybody else would go along, just like when Xavier and Magneto and the other X-Men got recast. "They'll never be able to replace Patrick Stewart!" and then they just went ahead and did that. Same thing.

Speaking of the X-Men, though, smart money says that will be the "buffer" between the original MCU and the Reboot MCU. That makes the most sense, to me. I mean you can't focus on too many things at once anyway, and they're absolutely bringing the X-Men in sooner rather than later, so for a few years the MCU will be less "Avengers"-centric and more "X-Men"-centric. And then eventually they'll probably do another "Days of Future Past" adaptation, which will cause havoc with the timeline and allow the Avengers like Captain America and Iron Man to come back with new actors, and THEN they'll do the inevitable X-Men/Avengers cross-over and make 8 billion dollars.

That's one of the biggest reasons you know they'll do a reboot. They are 100% going to do an X-Men/Avengers movie and they're absolutely not going to do that with "scabs". They're going to include the "real" Avengers like Cap and Iron Man or else they're not gonna bother. They'll be different actors, but it won't be "Ironheart" or whoever, it'll be Iron Man. Guaranteed. So even if they do one or two movies with the scabs between Now and Then, they definitely won't be sticking around.

That makes sense. I mean there's a reason why even to this day, despite all the wannabe replacements and whatever, the original Captain America, Thor and Iron Man are still around in the comics.

That's why I never liked the idea of legacy character. Sure it builds up the notion that our hero's name and ideals live on through someone else..... but it isn't really a legacy if the original is still around.

Legacy characters only work if they come from the far future or if the OG hero really does retire or die and actually stays retired or dead like... forever. Uncle Ben style.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Watched this yesterday. It was weird and trippy, like a bizarre mix of I Love Lucy, Pleasantville, and The Twilight Zone. In a good way. On the surface, it looked like cheesy saccharin 50's sitcom fare, but there are some pretty bizarre and creepy moments throughout each episode, especially with the little "commercial breaks", and certain scenes where things are definitely "off". Plus, the odd juxtaposition of the black and white show and the pixilated color credits at the end. I thought it would be like a parody of Bewitched or some such, but this seems far more twisted (or warped) than that. Wanda seems to have some kind of partial control over things around her, (ie, certain scenes make it seem as if she is doing everything unconsciously), but there is clearly also something going on outside of her perspective.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

and also to explain why suddenly everyone looks younger and entirely different.

Are they going to ever get around to giving us the explanation why Bruce Banner doesn't look like Ed Norton anymore, then? I've sure been waiting for it.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Are they going to ever get around to giving us the explanation why Bruce Banner doesn't look like Ed Norton anymore, then? I've sure been waiting for it.

You're alright, You.

[The Deadman]

Watched the first 2 episodes last night, found the humor to be actually pretty good.

[AquaParade]

The multiverse angle allows the MCU to have their cake and eat it too when it comes to legacy characters. They don't need to reboot anything, necessarily. Downey's Jr will always be Iron Man in the MCU....at least in the first MCU universe established. If they want a new Iron Man, they can hop over to a new timeline, while still respecting the legacy of RDJ.

That said, I wouldn't be so sure they will do away with "scabs" or legacy characters anytime soon, or neglect them in future crossovers. General audiences didn't much care for Cap, Thor, or Hawkeye before the MCU began, but Feige sold them on the idea and now they are nearly as big of pop culture icons as Spidey. Who's to say that the MCU can't do the same with legacy characters? T the end of the day, general audiences will decide which characters are important to the MCU, not aging comic book readers.

It really could go either way. The other thing is Kevin Feigr is very reverent of the comic books, so yeah, he will want to see Wolverine meet Steve Rogers, as opposed to Sam Wilson, on some significant level. At the same time, the MCU is:
A. Unprecedented
B. Finally free of upper mgmt breathing down it's neck
C. Beginning to experiment more with characters and storylines. See: The Eternals, WandaVision, etc.
These are elements that point towards a possibility of Kevin and his team of producers having a desire to put their own stamp on things. This is easier with lesser known characters.

Either way, I'm pretty happy. The MCU isn't perfect but it brings me plenty of joy with what it gets right and the ambition & scope are unparalleled at this point. They've done justice to the original lineup, and I'm excited to see them build upon that. I'd rather that than another Iron Man "reboot" anytime soon.

[Andrew NDB]

I really hope WandaVision and/or Dr. Strange 2 aren't going to be the way they bring in the X-Men and/or the Fantastic Four. i.e., "here they are, coming in from another universe/reality! Ta-da!" Because that would be really, really dumb.

[ZariusTwo]

Just caught episode three.

Spoiler:

Wanda wears a 'yellow jacket' at some point...nice nod there to one of Hank Pym's more problematic alter egos from the comics

Ultron reference from 'Geraldine'/Monica when Wanda makes mention of her being a twin and having lost a brother. Wanda casts Monica out of her bubble dimension after she references this

The twins are born...both boys that they name Billy and Tommy. It's implied here Wanda seemed to have planned the pregnancy from the outset, what with it having a 12-hour window.

Agness and some of the other neighbours seem to be trying to warn Vision of this world, maybe sway him to their side perhaps? Difficult to tell now who the antagonists are, especially with the way Wanda acts towards the end.

Agness' unseen husband Ralph 'prefers the dark'

And someone fire the person who approved the budget on that Stork. About the only kind of legitimate cringe in the episode

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I really hope WandaVision and/or Dr. Strange 2 aren't going to be the way they bring in the X-Men and/or the Fantastic Four. i.e., "here they are, coming in from another universe/reality! Ta-da!" Because that would be really, really dumb.

I highly doubt they will be used to introduce the FF but the X-Men remain a distinct possibility. I don't think there is any easy way to introduce mutants as if they've always existed that they might go the easy route that whatever Wanda does activates dormant X-genes in the MCU public. Kinda an inverse of what Wanda did in the comics at the end of House of M.

Personally while it might strain credibility I'd go that they did always exist in the MCU but we're in hiding. During the early Claremont days there was really only supposed to be a couple of hundred mutants in the world so easy for most who were not the X-Men or Brotherhood to retain their anyminity. It was only the line grew to numerous books and you needed an endless parade of new X-related characters and then Morrisson took the oppressed minority allegory to it's logical conclusion hence why when it was over Quesada felt had to use Wanda to cull the numbers of mutants.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Personally while it might strain credibility I'd go that they did always exist in the MCU but we're in hiding.

I don't think it would strain anything and they better do this.

[frank_one]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I really hope WandaVision and/or Dr. Strange 2 aren't going to be the way they bring in the X-Men and/or the Fantastic Four. i.e., "here they are, coming in from another universe/reality! Ta-da!" Because that would be really, really dumb.

Don't give 'em ideas, man! Seriously this is the kind of stuff I can see Disney coming up with.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

But if they were always there, wouldn't they have been in the battles in Wakanda and that planet in Endgame?

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

But if they were always there, wouldn't they have been in the battles in Wakanda and that planet in Endgame?

Maybe they were still dealing with being mutants, before they joined a superhero group.

I'm assuming Quicksilver was just a one-time thing, but between this and the movie with Dr. Strange, they really are missing a hell of an opportunity to just bring him back to life with her reality-warping powers.

[frank_one]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

But if they were always there, wouldn't they have been in the battles in Wakanda and that planet in Endgame?

Maybe the original team was trapped on the Krakoa island like in Giant-size X-men #1 and a new team is recruited by Xavier to save the them like in the 1975 comics.