If one Turtle had to die, who would it be? - Page 2

D-ray · 03-20-2020, 04:57 AM

(Talking by the 4 Kids Show side)

The most important is most likely Donatello, due to the fact that he basically creates the plans (as it's shown in The Same as it Never was).

Leonardo keeps together the team and he is probably the most mature and psychologically stronger (just imagine someone like Michelangelo having the same struggle as Leonardo after the Exodus).

Michelangelo is phisically the strongest one, just as Splinter says (also adding the fact that he 100% won the Battle Nexus Tournament after Kluh's revenge).

Raphael just looks really weak compared to the others. He is phisically strong yes, but most of the times he is the less careful. He has no psychological strenght, he can't build anything, and looks really naive sometimes.

*Prowler* · 02-15-2021, 09:36 PM

Michelangelo. He hasn't been tolarable in nearly 3 decades now. Which makes me question his usefulness.

"He's the life of the group!" well that may be the case, but if I had to off one turtle it would be him.

*ssjup81* · 02-15-2021, 09:57 PM

I would be sad if either of them were to be killed out...but since it has kinda happened....maybe Donatello?

~~Leo656~~ · 02-15-2021, 10:01 PM

I can already see "Donatello Dies (and probably revived)" becoming a recurring thing in future versions of the franchise. I'unno, for some reason I can see that being A Thing going forward.

*Prowler* · 02-15-2021, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I can already see "Donatello Dies (and probably revived)" becoming a recurring thing in future versions of the franchise. I'unno, for some reason I can see that being A Thing going forward.

If they had done that back in the day already, then the FW series would have only lasted for 4 episodes or something.

"OMG they killed Donatello! Those bastards!"

*GoldMutant* · 02-16-2021, 01:53 PM

Considering the ramifications, I can see any of the four dying.

Firstly, Leo dying or being out of commission has the biggest storytelling potential. The others have to step up, and potentially become stronger physically and mentally. For example, Mikey growing up or Raph forced to mellow out. That, and who will be the new leader or if that position is retired out of respect.

It pains me to say it as he's my favorite Turtle, but Raph is the most expendable. Depending on the incarnation, he doesn't get a lot of solid moments compared to his brothers. Considering his temper, he puts his team the most at risk. Especially if more stealth-oriented.

Of the four, Don's usually the last one standing or suffers near-death experiences. 2k3, IDW, and Image all come to mind, respectively; that, to me, shows his importance. Without Don, the team doesn't have as much in the way of navigating the sci-fi element present in TMNT. Aside from acting as a meditator too, I think we've seen more than enough Don dying. It's uninteresting personally.

Finally, Mikey is the glue of it all. However, I feel of all the Turtles, he'd benefit the most from someone else dying. His death could force some major emotional themes (specifically for Raph). At the same time, he can grow into his own past what a casual TMNT attributes him as: the fun-loving goofball. I know Mikey is more than that (the comics prove that).

If held at gunpoint, I'd go with Leo for the story development potential. If based on skill however (and it pains me), then Raph.

slashpieturtlemix · 02-16-2021, 02:43 PM

I ended up choosing Leonardo because of the chaos that would happen

Cryomancer · 02-18-2021, 06:46 AM

Raphael, he's already taken up like 30% of the franchise "learning his lesson" over and over, tired of it.

*Powder* · 02-18-2021, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomancer

Raphael, he's already taken up like 30% of the franchise "learning his lesson" over and over, tired of it.

This guy gets it. Not that I want any to die. This is basically just a "who's your least favorite turtle?" thread with an edgier coat of paint.

DragonSoul · 02-19-2021, 01:07 PM

Considering that Raph is one of the most popular turtles and the drome isn't an accurate representation of what the mass media would prefer. I doubt killing off the most popular characters would be anything but silly (besides the Last Ronin of course). Also in warrior cultures, anger is pivotal to survival as most warriors utilize anger as expendable energy that enhances adrenaline to ferocious levels. The disparaging of Raph's anger is another side note of western ethos framing human emotions as negatives. In some Indigenous cultures anger is respected as what makes us human and is a combat power that must be tempered with caution. Being unpredictable is also incredibly useful in combat scenarios but it too goes against the western ethos of a so called civilized aristocrat. I really think TMNT needs to abandon its outdated tropes and redefine itself by changing how they view their characters.

Back to the main topic, I think Leonardo should die because he is the leader and he would rather sacrifice himself than any of his brothers. Character wise Leonardo is probably the most destructive towards good storytelling as his characteristics are pitfalls of logic and story cohesion. Lastly, Leonardo is the most spiritual so the idea of him using his spiritual powers in the after life would be interesting.

*Powder* · 02-19-2021, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey0

The character that most grandparents could not stand in the early 90s, Michelangelo.

Man, you're always coming out with the most baseless comments. Where do you come up with this stuff?

**Jester** · 02-19-2021, 09:37 PM

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My cousin’s grandpa used to call Mikey a “Teenage Moron Nitwit Turtle.”

And my slightly older female cousin called them the Teenage Moron Nerdy Turdies...so what?

*Powder* · 02-19-2021, 10:04 PM

My Grandma has always adored Mikey for being the sweet one. /shrug

*Prowler* · 02-20-2021, 09:17 PM

I don't think my neither my mother nor my grandmother ever learned to tell each Turtle apart. They've only watched a few episodes with me and the 1990 movie, and it's not like they ever became "fans", so they probably just didn't bother.

My mother was kinda like April in Turtle Tracks though. She'd get the turtles names mixed up and I usually had to correct her haha

*Jephael* · 02-20-2021, 09:30 PM

I went with Leonardo, mainly because he'd most likely sacrifice himself anyway for the sake of sparing his brothers' lives. Honor can be a real double-edged sword in these kind of situations.

*newfan* · 02-21-2021, 03:15 AM

As many have pointed out, Leo would self sacrifice in a situation that allowed, though to be fair I wouldn't want to say none of them would in the opportunity to save one of the other brothers. On the other side of this, failing to do so would also really impact Leo, if a writer wanted to go in that direction.

I'm a little bias with Leo being my favourite, he's off the table for me

Each would have a different impact though and be a loss, for which out of the 4, it would also depend on the story and characterisation of that version.

Mad Dog McMutt · 02-21-2021, 04:55 PM

It would have to be Leo. I still like him but he had the least interesting personality.

Last Ronin · 02-21-2021, 08:31 PM

Mikey..... Yeah I said it.

It's good to be the class clown but at some point you gotta just mature, and let the story get more serious.

View Poll Results: If one Turtle had to die, who would it be?
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Donatello	6	16.67%
Michelangelo	11	30.56%
Raphael	10	27.78%
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03-20-2020, 04:57 AM	#21
D-ray Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Italy Posts: 219	(Talking by the 4 Kids Show side) The most important is most likely Donatello, due to the fact that he basically creates the plans (as it's shown in The Same as it Never was). Leonardo keeps together the team and he is probably the most mature and psychologically stronger (just imagine someone like Michelangelo having the same struggle as Leonardo after the Exodus). Michelangelo is phisically the strongest one, just as Splinter says (also adding the fact that he 100% won the Battle Nexus Tournament after Kluh's revenge). Raphael just looks really weak compared to the others. He is phisically strong yes, but most of the times he is the less careful. He has no psychological strenght, he can't build anything, and looks really naive sometimes. __________________ "Fighting for our comrades, for the Republic, for... VICTORY!"

02-16-2021, 01:53 PM	#26
GoldMutant Control Your Narrative Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: New England Posts: 1,763	Considering the ramifications, I can see any of the four dying. Firstly, Leo dying or being out of commission has the biggest storytelling potential. The others have to step up, and potentially become stronger physically and mentally. For example, Mikey growing up or Raph forced to mellow out. That, and who will be the new leader or if that position is retired out of respect. It pains me to say it as he's my favorite Turtle, but Raph is the most expendable. Depending on the incarnation, he doesn't get a lot of solid moments compared to his brothers. Considering his temper, he puts his team the most at risk. Especially if more stealth-oriented. Of the four, Don's usually the last one standing or suffers near-death experiences. 2k3, IDW, and Image all come to mind, respectively; that, to me, shows his importance. Without Don, the team doesn't have as much in the way of navigating the sci-fi element present in TMNT. Aside from acting as a meditator too, I think we've seen more than enough Don dying. It's uninteresting personally. Finally, Mikey is the glue of it all. However, I feel of all the Turtles, he'd benefit the most from someone else dying. His death could force some major emotional themes (specifically for Raph). At the same time, he can grow into his own past what a casual TMNT attributes him as: the fun-loving goofball. I know Mikey is more than that (the comics prove that). If held at gunpoint, I'd go with Leo for the story development potential. If based on skill however (and it pains me), then Raph. __________________

02-18-2021, 06:46 AM	#28
Cryomancer Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,090	Raphael, he's already taken up like 30% of the franchise "learning his lesson" over and over, tired of it. __________________ Final Boss of translation group Opentrain. We do videogame comics and TMNT stuff. http://opentrain.theyear199x.org/

02-20-2021, 09:30 PM	#35
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I went with Leonardo, mainly because he'd most likely sacrifice himself anyway for the sake of sparing his brothers' lives. Honor can be a real double-edged sword in these kind of situations. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

02-15-2021, 09:36 PM	#22
Prowler Emperor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,999	Michelangelo. He hasn't been tolarable in nearly 3 decades now. Which makes me question his usefulness. "He's the life of the group!" well that may be the case, but if I had to off one turtle it would be him.

02-15-2021, 09:57 PM	#23
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	I would be sad if either of them were to be killed out...but since it has kinda happened....maybe Donatello?

02-15-2021, 10:01 PM	#24
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I can already see "Donatello Dies (and probably revived)" becoming a recurring thing in future versions of the franchise. I'unno, for some reason I can see that being A Thing going forward.

02-16-2021, 02:43 PM	#27
slashpieturtlemix Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2013 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 1,259	I ended up choosing Leonardo because of the chaos that would happen

02-19-2021, 01:07 PM	#30
DragonSoul Random Punk Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Canada Posts: 36	Considering that Raph is one of the most popular turtles and the drome isn't an accurate representation of what the mass media would prefer. I doubt killing off the most popular characters would be anything but silly (besides the Last Ronin of course). Also in warrior cultures, anger is pivotal to survival as most warriors utilize anger as expendable energy that enhances adrenaline to ferocious levels. The disparaging of Raph's anger is another side note of western ethos framing human emotions as negatives. In some Indigenous cultures anger is respected as what makes us human and is a combat power that must be tempered with caution. Being unpredictable is also incredibly useful in combat scenarios but it too goes against the western ethos of a so called civilized aristocrat. I really think TMNT needs to abandon its outdated tropes and redefine itself by changing how they view their characters. Back to the main topic, I think Leonardo should die because he is the leader and he would rather sacrifice himself than any of his brothers. Character wise Leonardo is probably the most destructive towards good storytelling as his characteristics are pitfalls of logic and story cohesion. Lastly, Leonardo is the most spiritual so the idea of him using his spiritual powers in the after life would be interesting.

02-19-2021, 10:04 PM	#33
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	My Grandma has always adored Mikey for being the sweet one. /shrug

02-20-2021, 09:17 PM	#34
Prowler Emperor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,999	I don't think my neither my mother nor my grandmother ever learned to tell each Turtle apart. They've only watched a few episodes with me and the 1990 movie, and it's not like they ever became "fans", so they probably just didn't bother. My mother was kinda like April in Turtle Tracks though. She'd get the turtles names mixed up and I usually had to correct her haha

02-21-2021, 03:15 AM	#36
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	As many have pointed out, Leo would self sacrifice in a situation that allowed, though to be fair I wouldn't want to say none of them would in the opportunity to save one of the other brothers. On the other side of this, failing to do so would also really impact Leo, if a writer wanted to go in that direction. I'm a little bias with Leo being my favourite, he's off the table for me Each would have a different impact though and be a loss, for which out of the 4, it would also depend on the story and characterisation of that version. Last edited by newfan; 02-21-2021 at 03:21 AM.

02-21-2021, 04:55 PM	#37
Mad Dog McMutt Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 707	It would have to be Leo. I still like him but he had the least interesting personality.

02-21-2021, 08:31 PM	#38
Last Ronin Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 415	Mikey..... Yeah I said it. It's good to be the class clown but at some point you gotta just mature, and let the story get more serious.