Official Justice League Movie

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

Well his JL was always meant to be a two parter, so by getting his "cut" of the movie shouldn't it be what we get?

It was "always" meant to be a two parter until it wasn't. But still, guaranteed even when Snyder was forced to make it just a 1 parter before it was taken away from him, it was still going to end on some kind of big "To be continued."

[AquaParade]

The judge Ray requested for the trial shows Ray what The Rock is cooking - https://www.thewrap.com/justice-leag...r-accusations/

Ray is a laughing stock, I’m sorry. The way he phrases his tweets as “Walter tried to interfere with the investigation but failed because I did not let him.”
Keep telling yourself that, buddy.

[CyberCubed]

I assume the cliffhanger will just be something like Darkseid overlooking the Earth or something like that. I doubt the plot of the actual movie will be a cliffhanger. Obviously this was all meant to lead into Darkseid and Apocalypse eventually, so if that's where they leave off on, it's fine.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

The judge Ray requested for the trial shows Ray what The Rock is cooking - https://www.thewrap.com/justice-leag...r-accusations/

Ray is a laughing stock, I’m sorry. The way he phrases his tweets as “Walter tried to interfere with the investigation but failed because I did not let him.”
Keep telling yourself that, buddy.

He is a complete laughing stock. He's completely gone on with empty descriptions and has 100% come off as the guy who maybe got yelled at by his boss and can't comprehend that there's nothing illegal about that. That's today's society with an entire generation of misguided idiots who all got trophies, man. "He yelled at me and you aren't supposed to do that and I want an investigation and he should be fired".

And this mentality is given credibility because it's an entire cohort of people that can't navigate a society that wasn't waiting to hug them and hand them their amazing lives as they grew up and ventured out into the world. It's all the same. Every single bit of what's been going on is all the same. It's a generation of terribly self-centered people who want to Scarlet Letter anybody who disrupts their "special flower" self image.

[Andrew NDB]

Like, is Geoff a bad guy and the worst kind of writer? Yeah. But is he a racist or is anything he or those guys "did" to Ray Fisher indicative of racism? Absolutely not. Preposterous. The more he says that the stupider he sounds.

[Sumac]

Fisher really does everything to not just bury his carrier, but put a thick layer of asphalt over it, roll over it on the steam roller and flood this field with a water.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Like, is Geoff a bad guy and the worst kind of writer? Yeah. But is he a racist or is anything he or those guys "did" to Ray Fisher indicative of racism? Absolutely not. Preposterous. The more he says that the stupider he sounds.

Yeah, and Geoff was married to a black woman too. That in itself would imply he is not racist.

I also don't know why Snyder is catering to Fisher and Cyborg. To me Cyborg does not even need to be in the movie. The classic Justice League lineup does not include minorities. So what?

[Leo656]

Because Cyborg is half-Mother Box, and the story is about Mother Boxes, therefore his inclusion fits the story in context and enriches it? Don't be myopic.

He's there because 1. He was in the Justice League comics at the time the movie started development and they were obviously going for brand synergy, and 2. It's easier to connect all the pieces of this particular story if they use Cyborg and not Martian Manhunter or Hawkman. Simple.

Yes, he's "traditionally" a Titan and not a JLA member in the comics. Boo-hoo. But he was part of the "A-List" team in other media going all the way back to the 1980s "Super Powers: Galactic Guardians" cartoons shortly after his creation, and he's been a member of the JLA in the comics off and on since like 2006. It's been more than established, by this point.

If Cyborg was teaming up with Superman and Batman on TV back in 1986, I think we've had plenty of time to get used to the idea of him being prominently featured in a Justice League movie in 2017 or 2021. Kindly get over it, or just skip the movie altogether if you're going to get so hung up on things of such little consequence.

The "classic" Justice League lineup also had Snapper Carr for a long time. I, for one, am not insisting on that idiot being in the movie just because "that's how it was, tho."

Although if Snyder wanted to include Snapper Carr for the sole purpose of HIM getting shot in the head, I would 100% support that decision.

[MikeandRaph87]

Nothing wrong with wanting them to be the classic set and look like they came off the page. In the last two Super Friends seasons I was surprised that Robin did not interact with Cyborg considering they were teammates in the comics. I like the idea of Cyborg coordinating things from the Titans base.

Don't know if Heard's truly out or not, but while I am one for looking the part, Aquaman was actually better than a quite a few movies of my preferred heroes, TMNT, Batman, and Spider-Man.

I did like the Ray Thompson twist in the Justice League episode, 'Legends'. Now, that is something that needs an actual revival.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Because Cyborg is half-Mother Box, and the story is about Mother Boxes, therefore his inclusion fits the story in context and enriches it? Don't be myopic.

I expressed a pretty firm opinion on all of this in post 1725 above, but with that said, I thought Cyborg was a terrific character in the flick. That's probably part of the reason that I have the extra drop of vitriol about the situation - to love the character he played and be pleasantly surprised by it to finding out that the actor is exactly the kind of idiot in life that I can't stand.

Cyborg and John Stewart are two of the strongest and best characters in the DC stable. I sincerely hope they both get some awesome treatment on film at some point.

I'll be hoping for that while I ignore the social invasion from Hollywood products like Josh Trank's Fantastic Four, the overly politicized Black Panther, and the recently announced Superman movie.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Nothing wrong with wanting them to be the classic set and look like they came off the page.

A good story well-told is more important than being absolutely slavishly faithful to the detriment of everything else. But again - with all due respect - I'm having this conversation with someone who likes "Batman & Robin" because the costumes are 100% like the comics, even though the actual movie itself surrounding those costumes is a steaming pile. So the kindest thing I can say is, "You often care way too much about things that don't matter much, at the expense of those that do."

And again, Cyborg's been a Justice League guy for most of the last 15+ years, so it's really just a case of "It's not what *I* want, therefore it isn't good." Time to get over it, that ship has long since sailed. They wanted a move diverse range of characters - not just racially, but in powers and abilities. And that's good, it makes sense. It's better from a character and storytelling standpoint. It's good that Martian Manhunter is getting a cameo, but he doesn't NEED to be an active participant in THIS movie because Superman already is. They're 99% the same damn character except one of them is green. It would be incredibly redundant and THAT is the primary reason why J'onn is only a cameo and not a featured role. It's more important that if you have six main characters in your movie that two of them not be almost exactly the same.

Nothing personal. Just a series of observations/explanations.

Originally Posted by IMJ

I expressed a pretty firm opinion on all of this in post 1725 above, but with that said, I thought Cyborg was a terrific character in the flick.

I was pleasantly surprised with what we saw of Cyborg in the theatrical cut of JL, and I sincerely can't wait to see everything from his arc restored for the Snyder version.

Supposedly, it's a lot, so if some people are seriously upset because "He wasn't IN the Justice League back in 1960, though!" (and again... seriously? THIS is what we're getting hung up on? That a movie made in 2016 isn't slavishly faithful to a comic from 1960?! ) then those people should probably skip this one entirely, because we're getting a whole lot more of Cyborg.

[Galactus]

I don't know Leo for a guy that is very big on source fidelity you seem to give Snyder some very big passes on this. Cyborg is not part Motherbox and until the New 52 he wasn't a founding member of the Justice League either. Correct me if I'm wrong but before he was only briefly a member of the league when they did next generation characters replacing the old guard when Mon-El was Superman and Dick was Batman. Super Friends or Galactic Guardians is not the same thing.

Cyborg is Snyder's Justice League for the same reason that he was in the revamped New 52 League; to add diversity. Now as someone that actually wants to see more diversity in my comic book movies I'm okay with that but it's something you normally rail against. He isn't in the movie to serve Snyder's "vision", they came up with a role to play in the movie but frankly if WB hadn't insisted on his inclusion you'd have gotten Green Lantern and/or Martian Manhunter instead.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I don't know Leo for a guy that is very big on source fidelity you seem to give Snyder some very big passes on this. Cyborg is not part Motherbox and until the New 52 he wasn't a founding member of the Justice League either.

All correct. And Geoff only wrote that into the New 52 because he knew it was coming in the movies, the same reason he stupidly made Krona into a normal looking Guardian in the GL comics right before the GL movie came out.

[AquaParade]

Leo, I have to admit you seem way less "purist" when it comes to defending Snyder. I'm the furthest thing from a purist, so I love it. But I had to agree there.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Leo, I have to admit you seem way less "purist" when it comes to defending Snyder. I'm the furthest thing from a purist, so I love it. But I had to agree there.

The Snyder movies are his Kryptonite. Always have been.

I think we agree pretty closely on MoS but... not the other ones.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I don't know Leo for a guy that is very big on source fidelity you seem to give Snyder some very big passes on this. Cyborg is not part Motherbox and until the New 52 he wasn't a founding member of the Justice League either. Correct me if I'm wrong but before he was only briefly a member of the league when they did next generation characters replacing the old guard when Mon-El was Superman and Dick was Batman. Super Friends or Galactic Guardians is not the same thing.

Cyborg is Snyder's Justice League for the same reason that he was in the revamped New 52 League; to add diversity. Now as someone that actually wants to see more diversity in my comic book movies I'm okay with that but it's something you normally rail against. He isn't in the movie to serve Snyder's "vision", they came up with a role to play in the movie but frankly if WB hadn't insisted on his inclusion you'd have gotten Green Lantern and/or Martian Manhunter instead.

Dude. They turned the Mandarin into a rich white guy in Iron Man 3 and now are going to use the real Mandarin in a Kung-Fu flick. DC guys have it easy as far as source material goes.

[Andrew NDB]

Like I've been saying all along. It was always going to end on a big cliffhanger that will (probably) never get resolved:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/snyderc...a-cliffhanger/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The Snyder movies are his Kryptonite. Always have been.

Is this where I post that Three Doors Down song?

[Autbot_Benz]

Cryborg is at it again.

Fisher says that "studio executives" (including DC Comics writer Geoff Johns) "[used] their power to reduce and remove ALL Black people from that movie...They understood full well that the racist rhetoric they chose to entertain in those meetings was offensive, discriminatory, and unacceptable."

"Furthermore, they dared not speak those things to me, nor any other Black person associated with the film. Instead, they chose the cowardly route of gaslighting- complete with extremely problematic requests such as asking me to 'play Cyborg like Quasimodo'; and forcing a scene to be reshot so they could highlight the existence of Cyborg's penis," he continues.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/justi...2845#gs.v07z3y

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Cryborg is at it again.




https://www.comicbookmovie.com/justi...2845#gs.v07z3y

I mean, having over half of your body replaced by technology isn't so bad as long as Your Best Friend Below the Belt is still 100% intact and functional.

I get it, Joss. I get it.