So how do you feel about the first LESBIAN kiss in the TMNT franchise?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Lesbian characters are dime a dozen. I'll crow when they finally come up with something original.

Well technically most media has moved onto transgender characters as "the next big thing."

You're right that gay or lesbian characters aren't a big deal anymore, there's tons of them in every show, movie, comic, book, etc. It does seem though trans characters are, "the new hot thing" and I've definitely noticed more and more that has taken over from what used to just be the gay character.

[Leo656]

I can't wait for the 24-issue arc about Donatello's bottom surgery, and all other plots grinding to a halt so that can be the center of attention for two years.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It does seem though trans characters are, "the new hot thing" and I've definitely noticed more and more that has taken over from what used to just be the gay character.

Makes you wonder what the next thing will be, doesn't it?

[CyberCubed]

The only things left are....robosexuality (robot A.I.'s still aren't advanced enough in our world to be sex-bots like you see in sci-fi), beastality (never gonna happen), or uh...incest? Meh. And unless it's stepsister/brother stuff, it's never going to be mainstream.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The only things left are....robosexuality (robot A.I.'s still aren't advanced enough in our world to be sex-bots like you see in sci-fi), beastality (never gonna happen), or uh...incest? Meh. And unless it's stepsister/brother stuff, it's never going to be mainstream.

Beastiality, like a mutated Jenni still having the hots for Casey when this sh!tfest started? I mean, we are talking about human/animal mutants. Literal beastiality if the human characters try getting with the mutant characters... like 2k12 Donnie wanting April...

As far as the kiss, Jenni has completely become the exact thing everyone said she was not going to be from day one. And this series hasn't completely gone over the edge... really, really bad fanfic being fed to the masses. 17 issues & two years real world time with almost no real plot movement at all.

[Sumac]

Ross does as expected.
Next chapter will include prom, most likely.

[IndigoErth]

Silly humans, if its still bestiality because it's cross species even though both beings are intelligent and consenting adults...it's already happening with Jennika and her girlfriend. Donnie and Mona for that matter as well. Being fellow mutants really shouldn't make the species mixing part any less weird.

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Beastiality, like a mutated Jenni still having the hots for Casey when this sh!tfest started?

She was still herself on the inside, there's no reasons why such an abrupt and traumatic change to her life would just suddenly make those feelings vanish. He was a part of normal life, however, that was suddenly gone. Imagine nearly every anchor to your identity disappearing... It's not like the relationship continued afterward though, and of course she was hurt, albeit surely understanding that Casey had to back off.


edit: Even if the human/Turtle wasn't too weird for most people, realistically it probably still should have been too weird for Casey, even if otherwise okay with mutants, since she looks just like his friends. lol Doubly awkward.

[Leo656]

I kinda think that for the purposes of fictional stories, at least, once you're dealing with sapient beings who can talk and think like "regular people" then all bets are off and you can't overthink it anymore.

I mean, in the Archie Sonic comics you saw hedgehogs having kids with squirrels, coyotes marrying bunny rabbits... pretty much a total free-for-all. Like yeah there were still plenty of same-species pairings but just as many that weren't.

Within such a society - and bearing in mind that it's all fiction, anyway - it would be entirely pointless to try and instill any kind of "rules" about which humanoid and fully-sapient species could or couldn't "date" each other. In that context, the idea of a female mutant turtle (who used to be human) hooking up with the "regular" human guy she used to date wouldn't even really be very weird, comparatively.

That wouldn't even be unprecedented, really. Not even within this franchise. Mikey was very blatantly into Mitsu in TMNT III; even though the movie made it clear that wasn't going anywhere, it wasn't specifically treated like some great big taboo, them not hooking up had more to do with the fact that she already had a boyfriend than the fact that Mikey was a mutant turtle (at least the way the movie presents it). And in the Archie comics, once again even though it went nowhere they definitely hinted that Oyuki had a thing for Mikey early on. Then you have things like each of the Turtles having expressed attraction towards April in various media, Irma very openly being DTF with any of the Turtles if the chance ever presented itself... and so on and so forth.

I think once the creatures/characters in question can walk upright, speak like a human and do advanced algebraic equations then it's like "screw it, f*ck whoever you want".

[Andrew NDB]

I dunno... like, if you have a female cat, some ooze from outer space lands on it one day and she becomes bipedal and sentient... it's open season on going to plow town on her?

That still seems ick to me. Call me old fashioned.

[Leo656]

Does she look, talk, and behave like Cheetara, now, in this hypothetical scenario?

Because that might affect my answer. Hypothetically.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Does she look, talk, and behave like Cheetara, now, in this hypothetical scenario?

Because that might affect my answer. Hypothetically.

Well if she looks exactly like Cheetara I would probably mistake her for human... With tattoos that look like clown make up... I guess that if you have a thing for clowns that wouldn't be weird?

Spoiler:

But I guess Cheetara, between her 80's and 2010's designs, is meant to look less like a clown and more like a human with slight cat-like features. So human at her base line but with pointed ears, claws, large irises, slit pupils and hair that has a texture more like fur... I think at that point you'd still think it's human.

Here's the thing, humans find other human beings attractive. A lot people might find furry art to be off-putting because it tries to make animal characters sexy, which of course goes against the typical desire to go for other humans. But... Well, replace Krystal's head with a human head and remove the tail, you'd essentially have a blue human. The way furry artists make the characters sexy is by adding human features that are typically considered sexy. Breasts, slim waist, abs, thick thighs... Vertical spine... Bipedal body plan... Ahem... Uh... Human genitals...

If we take a more cat-like humanoid cat character, let's say Old Hob given the subject matter, I doubt anyone would find him all that sexy if he didn't have the normally sexy human male features like broad shoulders, large muscles and noticeable height. And if they're drawing straight up porn of him... I doubt they would draw him with a barbed penis...

There is also the matter of fantasy here. There are recorded instances of people with a scat fetish who turned out to not enjoy involving fecal matter in their sexual experiences once they actaully tried it, it was fine for them in porn or in their fantasies, not so much in reality. The reasons behind that aren't difficult to deduce, humans generally do not like feces. And while anthros may not be real, it can be assumed that furries might not find them as sexy in real life as they find the drawings.

I guess it's a tolerance scale thing? The same person who thinks jacking off to a Khajit is weird might find Callie Briggs tolerable for people to fap to and might jerk it to Tigra (the Marvel character, not the Thundercats one). In the end though, all of this technically makes the characters look more human than animal.

But ultimately I guess it's a matter of fantasy vs reality. What might seem appealing in fiction might be less so in real life. So my final statement is this:
Someone who thinks a drawing of what is essentially a human with a dogs head is really hot, could actually find such a creature totally disgusting if they ever ran into one in real life. The more human it looks however, the more likely it is that you would actually be attracted to it. But I personally suspect that threshold lies just on slightly more human-like than Cheetara, so basically indistinguishable from human.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Leo656

and do advanced algebraic equations

And today I realized a lot of humanity are just primitive beasts, comparatively speaking, and that being human would, in a world with sentient mutants, really just be a very superficial hold on entitlement and privilege. lol

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I dunno... like, if you have a female cat, some ooze from outer space lands on it one day and she becomes bipedal and sentient... it's open season on going to plow town on her?

That still seems ick to me. Call me old fashioned.

Yeah...I think the prior state of the relationship would be a huge factor that aught to still matter. The former pet thing is creepy no matter how you frame it.

Like if a mutated zoo animal not only got with a human partner, but it was also their former zookeeper... Uhhh nope, no thank you. o.O That's not too far different than dating a young adult you used to babysit as a child. The history still kind of matters. Maybe not illegal, but tons of cringe.

Originally Posted by neatoman

The way furry artists make the characters sexy is by adding human features that are typically considered sexy.

Yeah, and that touches on something I was saying in some other thread not along ago about the TMNT themselves. Some great artists are very capable of designing them to look like a bunch of hotties, but the aspects that are appealing are still very much the things that register as human traits.

In contrast, while common that many fans, esp among the female variety, are able to take note of those traits, I've never once heard of someone who thought that the shells were hot. Able to be objectively pretty with a lot of detail and color, sure, but attractive to a human... no. (Granted there might be a few in some circles I stay away from... but definitely not the norm.)

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Beastiality, like a mutated Jenni still having the hots for Casey when this sh!tfest started? I mean, we are talking about human/animal mutants. Literal beastiality if the human characters try getting with the mutant characters... like 2k12 Donnie wanting April...

Would it still be bestiality if they were previously human? It's a mutated human, not a mutated animal. They'll still often keep their memories of their old lives, and if retromutagen is applied, they'll return to being a human, since the whole human genetic essence of them still technically lies 'underneath.' And if you believe in such a thing, they'll still have a human soul.


Now if it was a mutated animal, that I think would be different. Their whole genome is animal, de-mutated they will return to whatever animal that mutant had been. They have animal memories, animal thought processes and animal souls.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah both Jennika and Sheena were previously humans, and I guess they could get de-mutated some day, so it is technically two humans going out in animal form. Now if Jennika was say a human but Sheena was a pet pig turned into a mutant, maybe that'd be a different story.

[Leo656]

neatoman had to go an' bring up Callie Briggs in blatant disregard for the fact that I got sh*t to do today AND gotta go to bed early.

Thanks, "pal". Now I'm gonna be preoccupied. You're a prince!

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I dunno... like, if you have a female cat, some ooze from outer space lands on it one day and she becomes bipedal and sentient... it's open season on going to plow town on her?

That still seems ick to me. Call me old fashioned.

That would be very weird, like if it was your actual pet cat that got mutated, rather then you just happen to run into Cheetarah and Pumyra in heat. I think the fact that the same Fluffykins that used to knock **** off the table and bug you for cat food now wants you to bone her or let him bone you..... I don't think you'll be able to get those thoughts out of your mind unless you were already into your pet that way.

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Would it still be bestiality if they were previously human? It's a mutated human, not a mutated animal. They'll still often keep their memories of their old lives, and if retromutagen is applied, they'll return to being a human, since the whole human genetic essence of them still technically lies 'underneath.' And if you believe in such a thing, they'll still have a human soul.


Now if it was a mutated animal, that I think would be different. Their whole genome is animal, de-mutated they will return to whatever animal that mutant had been. They have animal memories, animal thought processes and animal souls.

That adds another layer to it. Like say Casey was banging human Jennika.... after some time getting past the appearance, maybe he banged mutant turtle Jennika a few times. If she ever gets exposed to retromutagen or whatever, hey, human Jennika is back. Now sexy time is a lot more fun and a lot less creepy.

Now say April and Donnie did start messing around. If Donnie ever gets demutated back to a normal turtle.... the fact that April was riding something that is now an ordinary pet turtle should feel all sorts of weird in her mind.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Would it still be bestiality if they were previously human? It's a mutated human, not a mutated animal. They'll still often keep their memories of their old lives, and if retromutagen is applied, they'll return to being a human

Well yeah. Let's say Bebop gets mutated from a human into a warthog... he shouldnt suddenly be expected to wait/hope for the unlikelihood of a female warthog to get mutated. It's OK for him to be attracted to humans, or vice versa (I guess? different strokes and all).

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Well yeah. Let's say Bebop gets mutated from a human into a warthog... he shouldnt suddenly be expected to wait/hope for the unlikelihood of a female warthog to get mutated. It's OK for him to be attracted to humans, or vice versa (I guess? different strokes and all).

Plus it would be kinda weird for I guess... human-to-mutant Bebop to want to bang flat-out mutated animal female warthog, idk.

That reminds me, did Mona ever find out that Donnie was once a turtle and not some poor nerd dude that got hit by mutagen? Is all of Mutant Town mutated humans or also sentient animals?

Another interesting thing to consider. What if that pig girl's mutation worked out in her favor? Like what if whenever they get de-mutated, the pig girl is some ugly as **** human girl that turns Jennika off?

Like should I jump into some mutagen and hopefully mutate into some sort of 'handsome' mutant animal to get some mutant girl poon in Mutant Town?

[Andrew NDB]

I'd be more worried about "side effects" with the ooze than anything else. No, not in the way you're thinking. But maybe that, too.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

That reminds me, did Mona ever find out that Donnie was once a turtle and not some poor nerd dude that got hit by mutagen? Is all of Mutant Town mutated humans or also sentient animals?

I recall seeing something of that and she got upset over it and mad at him, assuming that he and the other Turtles just can't understand the plight of all these people who have been mutated. (And a bit of a bitch imo, never giving a moment of thought to the difficult lives the Turtles had lived for years before now and had no one else, unlike the new mutants like her who are surrounded by other people.)