Protests in Cuba

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Cuba currently experiences protests among angry citizens.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57799852

[AquaParade]

Man, what a crazy situation.

"The order to fight has been given - into the street, revolutionaries!" he announced.

-President of Cuba, Miguel Díaz-Canel, ordering his followers to combat protestors in the streets, who he claims are undercover Americans trying to destabilize their country.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Man, what a crazy situation.



-President of Cuba, Miguel Díaz-Canel, ordering his followers to combat protestors in the streets, who he claims are undercover Americans trying to destabilize their country.

Cuba always blames the USA for everything. The funniest time was when Cuban high jumper Javier Sotomayor was suspended for doping and blamed it on the CIA.

https://www.rediff.com/sports/1999/aug/07soto.htm

[Sumac]

Most funny thing, that even to this days, there are some online commies who think that Cuba is a perfect socialist country.

[Andrew NDB]

The propaganda wing of the left (AKA the media) is trying to paint the whole situation like it's solely about Trump's sanctions and a lack of COVID vaccines. Not communism at all. And Biden is very quiet.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The propaganda wing of the left (AKA the media) is trying to paint the whole situation like it's solely about Trump's sanctions and a lack of COVID vaccines. Not communism at all. And Biden is very quiet.

They probably think Haiti's President being killed was Trumps fault too.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The propaganda wing of the left (AKA the media) is trying to paint the whole situation like it's solely about Trump's sanctions and a lack of COVID vaccines. Not communism at all. And Biden is very quiet.

The truth is that Cuba used to be backed up by the Soviet Union until 1991. Ever since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the economy of Cuba has experienced crisis.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The propaganda wing of the left (AKA the media) is trying to paint the whole situation like it's solely about Trump's sanctions and a lack of COVID vaccines. Not communism at all. And Biden is very quiet.

Its most likely the same people who think that Cuba is a prosperous country (or on its way to prosperity), despite low-key considering Castro as just another dictator.

To put it simply - any stupidity those people spout is expected and should be ignored.

Or better - archived until time comes up to wipe their faces with their own arguments and ideology and destroy their movement.

[Andrew NDB]

It's really interesting. The president put out a call from the Coast Guard to tell the Cuban refugees fleeing communism that if any boats are caught approaching the US, they will be promptly brought back to Cuba. Yet... if you're illegally cross the US-Mexican border, it's just catch and release again.

I wonder what the difference is? One side is probably going to vote Democrat.

[Sumac]

I guess, people at the cost have more money and influence and will rise a big stink about bunch of immigrants crawling around.

And people who go through Mexican borders usually end up in Republican states, which can be used to destabilize local situation in favor of demRATS.

Cuba was America's backyard, before the revolation led by Castro and Che Guevara, the most wealth created in Cuba was going to rich people's pocket who owns companies in Cuba and most of them are Americans. Normal people in Cuba can't share the economy, that's why Castro and Che Guevara success in the revolation.

You know what, if Cuba was still America's backyard, they will describe the protestors as just a bunch of thugs, they are not fighting for their "freedom". That was how they described Carstro in a nagitive view about his "protest".

That's the American and British double standard, and the narrative when bad things happened in countries if the country do not want to listen to American. It's not because America is freedom and democracy. It's because American is capitalism. They want share benifit from the country, like they did in Cuba decades ago.

American is the No.1 country in the world. And all western conntries are better than other countries in the world because they went through industrial revolutions. That makes vast productivity, so they can compete and then defeat other countries in markets, if some countries refuse to make trade, like China, because though it was backward but it's big so it was self-sufficient, Westerns use their advance weapon and make you compromise, sign unfair treaty. Again like I said multiple times they can earn big money on other countries territories.

So because Western countries have their primitive accumulation, their people can share benifit too. For instance, if you work at TWININGS tea company(I make this example just because I am drinking it now) in London, you get a decent paying, and you are thinking about vacation on beautiful island. Because behind this, maybe you get benifits from tea growers in Darjeeling in India, they work harder but pay less. So since life improved, then westerners can talk about freedom and democracy. That's just how things work, at the early stage of industry revolution, child labourers worked at a very terrible working environment and they had no such thing as freedom and democracy.

But you see Cuba is a very small country, they have not their primitive accumulation and they don't own very advance technologies. Even those developed countries like Japan and South Korean see how their people burden at work cause they have no primitive accumulation. Freedom and democracy is luxurious, they are not free. Only when the country develop to a quality level, then there will be better life. Foreigner interference arousing protests will only make the country a lot worse, cause American politicians don't care about Cuba people's lives, they just care about their own goods, and they are good at using innocent people's goodwill that thinking they are helping the Cuba people but in fact they are doing it in a opposite way.

I think people say CIA not involving the protest are naive. Cuba is the most nearest country to America, and America is the No.1 foreign interference country in the world. They have 800 militaries bases overseas, they have the largest military budget in the world and equal the sum of China, India, Russia, UK, Saudi Arabia, Germany, France, Japan, South Korea, Italy and Australia. They involved Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War, Iraq, Syria, etc. Bringing "peace and freedom" by bombing other countries and killing civilians and refugees boys drown on a boat escape from the chaos made by US. Let's face the story on another side and stop helping the narritive againist countries demonized by your media. It's literally the same narritive against Iran, Iraq, Syria, China, Hong Kong China, Xinjiang China, etc.

I hope I show things in a different perspective, I am not saying you have to believe my opinion, but I want people see things from the essence, if you are interesting, I recommand Oliver Stone's "The untold history of the united states", and some youtube channels I know like Cyrus Janssen, Daniel Dumbrill, Barrett. I really appreciate that cause I do feel you guys are misguided and judge countries by tags. It's not a binary world. We are the not that different and we share the same value.

[The Deadman]

Cuba's people don't even care about their own citizen's lives....

Originally Posted by The Deadman

Cuba's people don't even care about their own citizen's lives....

On Floyd's death, or on the capitol hill female who shot dead, I can say the same on America: American don't even care about their own citizen's lives....

But you know America and Cuba are different right? In America this can be explained but Cuba is just pure evil? First impression controls.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nylemon

On Floyd's death, or on the capitol hill female who shot dead, I can say the same on America: American don't even care about their own citizen's lives....

I hope you're being sarcastic. Because those are two of the worst possible examples you could give to prove your point, for very easy reasoning.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I hope you're being sarcastic. Because those are two of the worst possible examples you could give to prove your point, for very easy reasoning.

For the female I think It’s a bad example, cause it’s basically a riot. But for Floyd I don’t get it. I think it’s a good example to show how “bad” human rights are in the US and a good sample to demonize how terrible a country is if we use the same standard to report news like how media demonize Cuba.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by nylemon

On Floyd's death, or on the capitol hill female who shot dead, I can say the same on America: American don't even care about their own citizen's lives....

But you know America and Cuba are different right? In America this can be explained but Cuba is just pure evil? First impression controls.

You do realize there were riots for George Floyd's death for months, right?

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by nylemon

For the female I think It’s a bad example, cause it’s basically a riot. But for Floyd I don’t get it. I think it’s a good example to show how “bad” human rights are in the US and a good sample to demonize how terrible a country is if we use the same standard to report news like how media demonize Cuba.

Floyd's death was one of the few elements that completely tore America up in 2021. Probably the most raucous event aside from the pandemic. You must have a very blurred, outside perspective on the situation.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by nylemon

You know what, if Cuba was still America's backyard, they will describe the protestors as just a bunch of thugs, they are not fighting for their "freedom". That was how they described Carstro in a nagitive view about his "protest".

That's the politics to you.
Also, Castro didn't have people's interest in mind, so he is not better than American government. One might say he is even worse, because, whereas American government sometimes forced to listen to people, Castro could just kill everyone he was disagreeing with and no-one would be able to anything about it.
Try to tell me that how things work in the modern US, I dare you.

Originally Posted by nylemon

That's the American and British double standard, and the narrative when bad things happened in countries if the country do not want to listen to American. It's not because America is freedom and democracy. It's because American is capitalism. They want share benifit from the country, like they did in Cuba decades ago.

And what about Communist countries, which colonized and used other nations?
There is no real difference between Capitalism and Communism approach to "lesser" nations. And you attempt to paint Capitalism as a root of colonization is hilariously ignorant and uneducated, since Colonization had happened under every political model possible throughout history of humanity.

Originally Posted by nylemon

American is the No.1 country in the world. And all western conntries are better than other countries in the world because they went through industrial revolutions. That makes vast productivity, so they can compete and then defeat other countries in markets, if some countries refuse to make trade, like China, because though it was backward but it's big so it was self-sufficient, Westerns use their advance weapon and make you compromise, sign unfair treaty. Again like I said multiple times they can earn big money on other countries territories.

Strong dominates the weak. That's how it works. Trying to paint it as inherent flaw of Capitalism is dumb, since all other regimes in the world did the same, even before Capitalism was a thing.

Also, its not Westerners fault that other countries failed to modernize and stuck in the middle ages. If positions were reversed and somehow China or Africa were to become industrial superpowers compared to European outdated civilizations, they would undoubtedly colonized Europe and we would have studied books about "inhuman China colonizers".
Not that the real world China is far away from that title, given how they treat other nations on their own territory or even their own people.

Originally Posted by nylemon

But you see Cuba is a very small country, they have not their primitive accumulation and they don't own very advance technologies. Even those developed countries like Japan and South Korean see how their people burden at work cause they have no primitive accumulation. Freedom and democracy is luxurious, they are not free. Only when the country develop to a quality level, then there will be better life. Foreigner interference arousing protests will only make the country a lot worse, cause American politicians don't care about Cuba people's lives, they just care about their own goods, and they are good at using innocent people's goodwill that thinking they are helping the Cuba people but in fact they are doing it in a opposite way.

I am not sure what are you trying to say here.

Cuba's problem were created by their own government, which used ineffective Soviet economic model and led country to ruin. US sanctions, didn't make situation better, but the main fault lies at Cuban dictatorship.

They were the ones who used ineffective economic model and relied too much on Soviet Union as a trade partner. Much like Soviet Union relied on the West in 70-80s. In both cases this overreliance on foreign help led both countries to ruin.

Originally Posted by nylemon

I think people say CIA not involving the protest are naive. Cuba is the most nearest country to America, and America is the No.1 foreign interference country in the world. They have 800 militaries bases overseas, they have the largest military budget in the world and equal the sum of China, India, Russia, UK, Saudi Arabia, Germany, France, Japan, South Korea, Italy and Australia. They involved Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War, Iraq, Syria, etc. Bringing "peace and freedom" by bombing other countries and killing civilians and refugees boys drown on a boat escape from the chaos made by US. Let's face the story on another side and stop helping the narritive againist countries demonized by your media. It's literally the same narritive against Iran, Iraq, Syria, China, Hong Kong China, Xinjiang China, etc.

Yes, yes, CIA is at fault everywhere.

While no doubt, that US special forces monitor and probably somewhat interfere in the Cuban events, not that they need to do much given pathetic state of the country, this narrative smells of ******** conspiracy theories, about "Communist countries failing, because, evil CIA ruined them". And this approach is something, that no serious person should entertain.

Originally Posted by nylemon

I hope I show things in a different perspective, I am not saying you have to believe my opinion, but I want people see things from the essence, if you are interesting, I recommand Oliver Stone's "The untold history of the united states", and some youtube channels I know like Cyrus Janssen, Daniel Dumbrill, Barrett. I really appreciate that cause I do feel you guys are misguided and judge countries by tags. It's not a binary world. We are the not that different and we share the same value.

You really did not. Because, your narrative is a run of the mill typical commie nonsense. It misinterprets and misrepresents facts and presents biased and ignorant view of history, politics and economy.

Yes, world is more complex than binary view, but acting like US and Capitalism are "evil" is just plain childish nonsense.

Originally Posted by nylemon

On Floyd's death, or on the capitol hill female who shot dead, I can say the same on America: American don't even care about their own citizen's lives....
But you know America and Cuba are different right? In America this can be explained but Cuba is just pure evil? First impression controls.

Do you even know what had happened in 2020 in US?
Are you trolling or just THAT massively ignorant?
So, death of some random person is enough reasons to start riots and burning cities?
What kind of response you expect from people?

Also, Cuba's government is a dictatorship, they don't take kindly to citizens protests and, if someone would have tried to pull out BLM **** in Cuba, I am fairly sure, there would be a lot more dead people on the island all over sudden.
So, this your difference between US and Cuba and, yes, Cuba, doesn't look favorable in this comparison. Stop drinking commie, cool-aid, pal.

[The Deadman]

I'm not calling that poster out by any means, but their current location says theyre in China, so of course theyre going to say America is worse than Cuba.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by The Deadman

I'm not calling that poster out by any means, but their current location says theyre in China, so of course theyre going to say America is worse than Cuba.

That explains a lot.

Good receipt how to ward of types like this: post "Tiananmen square massacre" and see them folding away like paper tigers they are.