Afghanistan back under Taliban rule

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like that's that.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...2ti?li=BBnb7Kz

“The jury is still out, but the likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely,” Biden said on July 8.

[Vegita-San]

isn't having them all in one easily bombable place a good thing?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

isn't having them all in one easily bombable place a good thing?

Except that it's not a really bombable place. The Taliban are used to burrowing into caves and entrenching in the mountains. Also hiding behind/around innocent civilians.

Also... a month ago Biden said there was "no chance you see people being lifted off the roof in a helicopter" and now this happens:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ats/ar-AANlYSo

[oldmanwinters]

I wasn't alive for the fall of Cuba into Castro's Marxism, but there seems to be a number of similarities between Ashraf Ghani and Fulgencio Batista folding like a house of cards under pressure from the insurgents.

Also, good job, Uncle Joe, it only took you 7 months to make the last 20 years of American involvement in that region pointless.

[Vegita-San]

even CNN is apparently turning against him. that's bad in their world.

I picture them in a situation room more worried about 'we can't call them terrorists, what other word can we use?' than actually doing something.

[Sumac]

This **** is bad for everyone: it will popularize being islam terrorist, which will lead to a new wave of acts of terror, not to mention Russia has a terrorist, IS-like state right on its border. And considering Russia has problems with islam terrorism, it means nothing good for our future.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

This is scary. Remember, it wasn't many years ago the number of democracies increased.

We got a world guided by Western democracy, and went on vacation from history.

[Prowler]

So, what were those last 20 years for? They couldn't finish off the Taliban?

I was a kid back in the 90s, but I remember the occasional news we'd get about Afghanistan back when the Talibans ruled there. Basically women being stoned and whipped for not being entirely covered with their burkas. And it was against the law for girls to go to school there. Also, music and art were banned there. It's like there were no leisure activities allowed there. Must have been hell on earth.

Anyway, Afghanistan seems like a very tribal society still. And a place full of corruption and with a medieval level of mentality. Turning it into a normal and functional democratic nation was always going to be a pretty daunting task. It's not exactly a very progressive place. For all we know, a lot of the civilians in the country probably support the Taliban.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

even CNN is apparently turning against him. that's bad in their world.

I picture them in a situation room more worried about 'we can't call them terrorists, what other word can we use?' than actually doing something.

Calling them what they actually are is far worse than what they actually do. It's why Obama wouldn't mention the words "islamic terrorists" in his 4 years in office....

[IMJ]

Even leftist-caricature-media CNN is smearing their Obama-born court jester of a President....

Biden's botched Afghan exit is a disaster at home and abroad long in the making

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Prowler

So, what were those last 20 years for? They couldn't finish off the Taliban?

In order to finish Taliban for good, USA needed to go at war with a Pakistan, which used Taliban as its proxy army. Pakistan also, US ally and has nuclear weapon, so going at war with it is not a smartest option. Especially since China and Russia are nearby.

So they attempted to make locals fight against Taliban on their own, but locals are corrupted and generally don't give a ****, which means as soon as US troops are out of picture they side with Taliban.

[Vegita-San]

which is why it's hard to believe there ARE any innocents to worry about. the whole place is a write off at this point.

[Sumac]

I would be glad, if major countries let this shithole boil in its own diarrhea, because, unless people of Afgan won't want to help themselves - no-one will. But its existence as a terrorist state, which it will become without a doubt, creates major risk for countries in the region.

[Coola Yagami]

While we're at solving Afagni problems, can like... we send some people over to Mexico to also take care of their cartel problems while they're at it?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

While we're at solving Afagni problems, can like... we send some people over to Mexico to also take care of their cartel problems while they're at it?

I'd be way OK with that. If the cartels are the reason all of the illegal immigrants claim they have to flee to the U.S., it would seem to be in our own best interests to help Mexico pull them out by the roots.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'd be way OK with that. If the cartels are the reason all of the illegal immigrants claim they have to flee to the U.S., it would seem to be in our own best interests to help Mexico pull them out by the roots.

Exactly. I mean, they're the main I'd never set foot back there, not even to visit family. I'd like to return with my head attached.

[IndigoErth]

I don't even know what to feel about it anymore. I'm sure many are angry that our people are leaving, but what is the use even? They've had our people (and some other nations) helping them out on our dime for 20 years and in that time their government and military could never get their act together so that at some point they can defend their own nation themselves?

Pointless fight at this point, there is no winning this. You can't win what they themselves won't even fight for. And now their damn president ran off. Cute. I get that the Taliban is dangerous, but imagine giving up on your own nation that easily.

My heart goes out to the innocent people who are stuck in that situation. Mostly at this point I wish all the regular folks who don't deserve to be in that mess could be gotten out of there for the time being and be sheltered in nearby countries for a while. Let the damn terrorist take over and start to feel at ease, letting their guard down, and give any others in the world that want to join them a chance to get over there...then target known locations and bomb the hell out of them.

That or send Covid positive people undercover among them.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

While we're at solving Afagni problems, can like... we send some people over to Mexico to also take care of their cartel problems while they're at it?

I have long wondered why we haven't bothered to try to help. People don't like immigrates flooding the border, but it seems pretty clear that maybe if Mexico could get some help in solving those issues and become someplace people don't want to leave it would help us in the long run, too.

You'd think issues with the neighbors on our side of the globe would be higher priority.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Pointless fight at this point, there is no winning this. You can't win what they themselves won't even fight for. And now their damn president ran off. Cute. I get that the Taliban is dangerous, but imagine giving up on your own nation that easily.

It's not about freeing the Afghans. It's about securing our country after it's been proven that they will attack it using any means necessary to kill civilians.

God you really are arrogant.... and talking about giving up "your own nation" while you support the politics that give rise to these situations is pure evidence of your ability to understand reality.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I have long wondered why we haven't bothered to try to help. People don't like immigrates flooding the border, but it seems pretty clear that maybe if Mexico could get some help in solving those issues and become someplace people don't want to leave it would help us in the long run, too.

Then why don't YOU go, oh virtuous one? There are all sorts of programs given rise through capitalism and humanitarianism that would allow you an outlet for this. Go join the Peace Corps, go to Mexico, help "the people". Why don't you do it instead of being completely full of $#!( and posting routinely uninformed opinions from some stunted perspective here on a Ninja Turtles forum? Christ I'd rather banter with f'n Duckie than read your nonsense. She has some crazy opinions but at least I've never seen her double down on the nonsense and pretend to be deeply informed like you do.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I have long wondered why we haven't bothered to try to help. People don't like immigrates flooding the border, but it seems pretty clear that maybe if Mexico could get some help in solving those issues and become someplace people don't want to leave it would help us in the long run, too.

Ultimately, it's because people really love cocaine and our own government is in bed with the cartels. The U.S. government makes billions of dollars a year funneling imported drugs back into the streets of our own country. That's why we don't crack down on immigrants harder - the fact that they're bringing in drugs is a huge "Yeah, No Sh*t Sherlock" situation - and it's why we don't do more to "help" Mexico fix its situation. Because more people get rich that way.

It's a gross situation, but it's ultimately one of Supply & Demand. For better or worse, people absolutely f*cking LOVE drugs. And as long as there's money to be made ain't nobody "fixing" sh*t.

[oldmanwinters]

The Twitter video clips of Afghans trying to latch onto escaping US Air Force boggle my mind. Never thought I'd see something like that.
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