Aspects of the Fred Wolf cartoon you wouldn't mind vanished for good?

[sdp]

I liked B&R in 2012, but they still took away from Fishface, Dogpound and Tigerclaw. The way you write it on your post makes it sound logical but the actual show never used them like that, there was definitely villain decay in the 2012 show everytime a new antagonist came out and after Rocksteady/Beebop fishface was made irrelevant and dogpound had to be mutated to keep him a threat and was now Rahzar for whatever reason. After the first season Fishface/Dogpound were basically as good as a generic foot soldier when fighting the turtles.


So yeah as I mentioned, R&B were done well I just think it took away from the original characters. But for others, think of the punk frogs, or the neutrinos, hell even general tragg those characters are just in name only, they should've been new characters entirely. There's also the ones that you don't even notice since they'r enot awful but also not relevant

That's how not to bring a character back. Now they did some other 1987 characters right like say Slash, mutagen man, even Krang in some respect. But others I don't even remember I guess they did them "ok" not in a bad way but not done originally either so they're just forgotten so why even bring them in the first place when they had other characters with untapped potential like Muckman, Mondo Gecko. Etc. So essentially there's a 1/3 chance in bringing back a character successfully and 2/3 that it will suck.

TL;DR If you're going to bring some idea back/character, do something new with that while remaining true to who the character is, if not don't bother, just make something new.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by sdp

I liked B&R in 2012, but they still took away from Fishface, Dogpound and Tigerclaw. The way you write it on your post makes it sound logical but the actual show never used them like that, there was definitely villain decay in the 2012 show everytime a new antagonist came out and after Rocksteady/Beebop fishface was made irrelevant and dogpound had to be mutated to keep him a threat and was now Rahzar for whatever reason. After the first season Fishface/Dogpound were basically as good as a generic foot soldier when fighting the turtles.


So yeah as I mentioned, R&B were done well I just think it took away from the original characters. But for others, think of the punk frogs, or the neutrinos, hell even general tragg those characters are just in name only, they should've been new characters entirely. There's also the ones that you don't even notice since they'r enot awful but also not relevant

That's how not to bring a character back. Now they did some other 1987 characters right like say Slash, mutagen man, even Krang in some respect. But others I don't even remember I guess they did them "ok" not in a bad way but not done originally either so they're just forgotten so why even bring them in the first place when they had other characters with untapped potential like Muckman, Mondo Gecko. Etc. So essentially there's a 1/3 chance in bringing back a character successfully and 2/3 that it will suck.

TL;DR If you're going to bring some idea back/character, do something new with that while remaining true to who the character is, if not don't bother, just make something new.

I felt that way about Shredder's lieutenants. There was Karai, Dogpound, and Fishface, then it more than doubles first with Tiger Claw and then with classics Baxter Stockman, Bebop, and Rocksteady. Finally Bruce Lee pretends to be Hun. Sure there were desires for betrayal from Baxter, Bebop, Rocksteady ( a new one for those two), and Karai. There was also Dogpound being double mutated because of toy sales and then dies? Heck, I thought Chuck Norris had the most potential out of them all. It's oversaturation with the villains under Shredder. You would think it was a Spider-Man sequel. There was potential there but the overcrowding kept any of them from truly growing. It was a chance to separate Bebop and Rocksteady's personalities and explore other deputy villains, but it did not work out that way. I am glad that Baxter got demutated, it was like it was the showrunner's way of saying it was done with Baxter, which is fine since he did not get proper resolution in the 1987 cartoon.

[shredder orokusaki]

2003 didnt have aspects of the fred wolf and it was very good while Rise that also didnt have it was the worst ever made! It is not the fred wolf element that will make some cartoons good or bad. If it is like th IDW and 2003 then it will have success with or without the fred wolf aspects. If it is again something like rise then it will fail .