Venom 2 to be directed by Andy Serkis

[AquaParade]

What's interesting to me about it is that Tom Hardy seems to have a big part in the direction. He's a producer if I'm not mistaken, and from the press they are doing and behind the scenes clips, you definitely get the impression that he has a strong say. Stronger than Andy Serkis at the least.

But perhaps Sony is drip-feeding him and as long as he gets paid, he pretends like this is his whole deal.
But again, I don't think so. Maybe he is just following his business instincts at this point and giving the audience more of what sold. Certainly looks like another braindead film.

I just watched a clip where Carnage spins into a literal tornado, and it looks straight out of Space Jam.

[Andrew NDB]

If that after the credits bit does what I think it does...

Spoiler:

... that's going to mean more harm than good, I think. So now, like, they're going to literally make the Sony Spider-Verse its own universe, separate from the MCU? Venom has to jump across universes to interact with the MCU every time he is supposed to encounter Spider-Man? Because that's silly. Or is that time-travel? As in, Venom was in the past but now Venom got a peek of the post-Endgame, 5 years later and all?

[Leo656]

I've read a few reviews, all of which are some variant of, "It's SO bad that you have to see it to believe it... which ultimately makes it awesome!"

I don't... that isn't even... that's not how things work.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I've read a few reviews, all of which are some variant of, "It's SO bad that you have to see it to believe it... which ultimately makes it awesome!"

I don't... that isn't even... that's not how things work.

From what I hear, most of the people saying it's bad are mostly the weirdos complaining that it didn't have politics in it and whatnot. You aren't allowed to have fun action movies anymore, everything needs some sort of agenda to push or the movie 'sucks'.

[Leo656]

No, like I legit read that it's a piece of sh*t that's so batsh*t crazy it circles back around and becomes entertaining again.

Like there's a scene at a rave or a club, or something, and it's implied therein that the symbiote is gay. Stuff like that. Who booked this sh*t?

Not gonna lie, to me the thing looked like a piece of sh*t from the jump. Because the first one did, also, and this looks way worse. But when I read "positive" reviews that repeatedly say things like "This movie is so dumb you can't help but love it," it has a way of confirming my fears.

I don't think anyone saying it's bad or dumb has anything to do with Current Year Politics or the movie's avoidance of same. I simply think they made a dumb, bad movie that some people will think is great because they like dumb things with no irony.

Seriously, it's like Ragnarok all over again. "This movie is SO dumb... it's amazing and brilliant! Go see it!" Ummmm... no? Telling me over and over again that something is "dumb" and "goofy" and "so ridiculous you have to see it for yourself" is NOT how you get my money. Obviously that works on some people but I don't, and will never, understand it.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I've read a few reviews, all of which are some variant of, "It's SO bad that you have to see it to believe it... which ultimately makes it awesome!"

I don't... that isn't even... that's not how things work.

That's how it worked for "The Room".

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by IMJ

That's how it worked for "The Room".

I guess. True story? Never seen it.

I know that, at worst, any "bad" movie is really just two hours of your life you'll never get back. But all life is time management, and some things, I really just can't imagine myself ever being bored enough to mess with, not even for the sake of saying "I seen it."

LIke sure, I could watch "The Room". Or "Venom". Or whatever. And maybe I'll have fun, and maybe I won't.

Orrrrrrr... I could just watch "Young Guns" for the 875th time and know for a fact I'll be in a better mood than I was before.

I usually take the safe bet. Last time I took a gamble and decided to "give something a chance" despite knowing for a fact I'd hate it, it was Chickbusters and the Transformers movie with Marky Mark. Since then, I really just plain don't feel like giving things a chance if they're already setting off my radar in a bad way.

Also, since then, my wife doesn't get to pick our movies, anymore. I gave her a chance and she blew it spectacularly. No mulligans.

Not saying I never, ever will see those other movies, or anything. I'd just have to be REALLY bored, given all the other things I own which I could hypothetically amuse myself with instead. And I'm like four games behind in the Zelda series so I just don't see some of those movies ever crossing my eyes in the near future. I got stuff to do, nah'mean?

[IMJ]

I DO know what you mean.

But I don't care because right now I'm experiencing cognitive dissonance that you sat through Chickbusters. I dl'd it and fast forwarded through it to see what it looked like. I basically watched it in 7 minutes. I couldn't actually watch it.

[Leo656]

Dude it's SUCH a f*cking awful movie. Like irredeemably.

My wife "made" me watch it, to try and prove some point about judging things before I'd seen them. And y'know, she completely blew THAT one, because holy sh*t I took the exact opposite lesson from that experience. If anything it made me more judgmental than ever.

I'm pretty sure it was actually a "punishment" for something else and she was just trying to get back at me in a way that didn't seem overly-malicious on its face.

But yeah, it's... EASILY one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my entire life, for so many reasons that go way beyond "It's Ghostbusters, but With Chicks." It's not funny. There are no "jokes". Everyone in it gives a career-worst performance, and when two of your actors are Melissa McCarthy and Leslie F*cking Jones that says a ton. The colors are so over-saturated I swore my TV was bleeding. They ripped off the ending of "Pacific Rim". It's just... so... f*cking... STUPID. Every f*cking thing about it is terrible.

I mean, it's not bad like "Legend of Chun-Li" is bad, but that's not even fair. THAT movie was literally crafted by Satan. Remove that from the equation, though, and I honestly, truly can't remember a worse movie I've ever seen than Chickbusters. Just godawful from A to Z. Although some of the Transformers movies come close, but if nothing else you could be entertained by the spectacle of those, I guess, if you forget that there's also supposed to be a plot or a narrative.

But yeah, I didn't wanna watch it. I'd seen the trailers, and even some of the deleted scenes from the "extended cut", so I knew it would be dogsh*t. But my wife and I'd been separated for a few months and one of the conditions for being allowed to come back home was, I had to be less of a crab-ass and "be more open-minded" about stuff. I'd only been home for a short time so I was like "whatever, don't rock the boat."

After that sh*t... and then especially after the Marky Mark Transformers movie, I was like, "Yeah, I think I've officially been 'open-minded' for long enough. You have actively ruined my entire weekend with this bullsh*t."

I still bring it up sometimes. Like if she gets on my case for "not giving things a chance", I just pull out the "You forced me to watch Chickbusters" card and she knows the argument's over and done with. Pretty sure that statement would be grounds for divorce in most states.

I still couldn't escape it, though. Her parents watched it for the first time that same week. Go figure, they loved it, and watched it three more times within a week. Then they invited her grandma over to watch it that weekend. So it seemed like every time I had to cook, for a week straight, some idiot was cackling like a jackal at this very dumb, very bad, very not-funny movie as if it were some kind of f*cking masterpiece.

I swear, some things ONLY exist for the sole purpose of tormenting me, and me alone. It's a grand cosmic joke, there's simply no other explanation.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Leo656

My wife "made" me watch it, to try and prove some point about judging things before I'd seen them.

People like to make that argument. It's advice for kids that some people never realize the truth of.

[Leo656]

I mean, there's SOME validity to it, and it's a noble idea *in theory*.

In reality, I suspect most people know what they like and what they don't. Some people are outright terrible at articulating WHY, but I do think most people know themselves fairly well. Sometimes things do pleasantly surprise you, but 99.9% of the time it's a case of, "Well, I had a feeling I'd like/hate that thing... and I did. No shock."

It's like how I haven't seen the BayTurtles movies in their entirety, nor do I ever plan to. I've seen the "Everything Wrong With" videos, which granted are tongue-in-cheek on purpose, but those things are like 1/3 the length of the actual f*cking movies themselves and every single thing displayed is horrible, basically everything I despise about movies in general. What are the odds that the other hour of footage I haven't seen of either one is somehow brilliant? I've seen enough to know I'd rather shave my balls with a malfunctioning chainsaw than actually watch those goddamn things.

That's what happened with Chickbusters. Saw the trailers, saw the "deleted scenes", and every second of footage was agonizing to watch. It told me, "Don't ever watch this movie, you'll hate it and end up in a bad mood." Sure enough...

At the end of the day, all taste is subjective. Some people actually do like black licorice; why, I couldn't tell you, but hey, whatever. I think they're insane and I'll tell them so, but what they like doesn't affect me so at the end of the day it's whatever. BUT. I do think most people know their own tastes and preferences to the point where pre-judging things is okay. At the end of the day they're just trying to save themselves some aggravation and bitterness. So long as they remember to add "in my opinion" or "based on my own preferences" when they decide to describe something as "terrible", there's nothing wrong with erring on the side of caution. Everybody gets to have an opinion, after all.

Except for Chickbusters or Legend of Chun-Li. Those things are objectively, unquestionably awful, and anyone who disagrees should have their head cracked open and filled up with fire ants. Some things aren't a conversation.

[Andrew NDB]

Saw Venom 2. Carnage wasn't much of a villain at all and trying to make him somewhat sympathetic with the needless girlfriend character undercut what I think -- at least initially -- made Carnage so appealing to begin with in the comics. And sure enough... lots of killing off-screen or quick cut stuff. You could make a case for Venom 1 but Venom 2 sorely needed an R rating.

Spoiler:

So it's definitely Eddie/Venom getting yanked into the MCU by Doctor Strange's spell at the end there. I guess it'll be fine if he's going to be stuck there now and he somehow brings his supporting cast with him... but it also seems so needless.

Also, I wonder... is this how they'll explain Deadpool crossing over?

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

From what I hear, most of the people saying it's bad are mostly the weirdos complaining that it didn't have politics in it and whatnot. You aren't allowed to have fun action movies anymore, everything needs some sort of agenda to push or the movie 'sucks'.

That’s not it at all.
These movies are just bad.

Leo, your sentiment reminds me of how people also seem to be easily alluded to “random” ****. Like someone will review a movie and at some point say “but, I mean, it’s all worth it to see a talking T-Rex playing the bongos!” Or “besides, who doesn’t want to see a purple penguin, dressed as Elvis, playing guitar??”. **** like that. Like we’re supposed to be amused whenever someone throws some adjectives and nouns into a hat and picks them out at random. Minor tangent.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

That’s not it at all.
These movies are just bad.

Leo, your sentiment reminds me of how people also seem to be easily alluded to “random” ****. Like someone will review a movie and at some point say “but, I mean, it’s all worth it to see a talking T-Rex playing the bongos!” Or “besides, who doesn’t want to see a purple penguin, dressed as Elvis, playing guitar??”. **** like that. Like we’re supposed to be amused whenever someone throws some adjectives and nouns into a hat and picks them out at random. Minor tangent.

Yeah, sh*t like that is dumb.

Like apparently a bunch of people raved about the Aquaman movie because of a giant squid playing drums, or something. That was a high point for them, I guess; I don't think I even noticed it, or if I did I must've blocked it out.

In my head, I'm always replaying the "I wish I was like you... easily amused" line from "All Apologies" whenever people rave about such insipid sh*t. I don't have any problem with whimsy but for goodness sake, stuff like that shouldn't be a major bullet point.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Just came back from seeing it. It's a good thing my theater not too far from home is super cheap because this movie was no better than the first. In some cases it was worse. Venom's dialogue is played for laughs which surprisingly no one in the audience except one kid found him funny. Carnage was pretty much wasted and underutilized with how much they could have done with him.

The only good thing I can say about this film is the credits are super long like the first one.

Spoiler:

I don't know how Marvel and Sony agreed upon this but this whole multiverse thing that comic book movies are doing now are becoming more apparent because yes, Venom witnesses MCU Spiderman on TV.

[ZariusTwo]

Box Office presently stands at $90.1 million, exceeding the total of Black Widow

https://deadline.com/2021/10/venom-l...ce-1234847950/

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Saw it on Saturday. I feel- ambivalent. On the one hand, I loved the banter and bickering of married couple Eddie and Venom, their relationship was spot on. Carnage was every bit as sadistic and randomly vicious as he should be, with the kind of pure brutality and cold-blooded killer impulse one would hope for.

BUT! Carnage was kind of less a threat than he COULD have been, Venom's butchered background (ie- sans all actual connection to Spidey, either from Eddie OR the symbiote) and the fact that Shriek was Shriek in name only, kind of soured it a bit. I mean, why have her there if she had no symbiote? As did the apparent hint/allusion to another character who really- did not fit his comic counterpart AT ALL.

Spoiler:

By this I am referringto Patrick Mulligan, aka Toxin. We see a hint at the end of his future symbiote being born, but as he was in the movie, this is NOT Toxin's human half.

Overall, I liked it, but was seriously confused and disappointed by some of the choices made here. Carnage having a bad childhood (some of which he apparently caused himself) was no excuse for his being an unrepentant murderer, and his rants about what he wanted made little sense in the face of what he did in the movie. Somebody really does NOT know how to write a good psychopath!

[oldmanwinters]

Well, I saw it. Woody Harrelson was probably at his scariest when he wasn't covered up by the CGI. I think I actually appreciate the fact the film was short.

Also, is "Carnage Curse" going to become a thing now?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/woody-har...162936411.html

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Somebody really does NOT know how to write a good psychopath!

Hard to believe, isn't it?

[AquaParade]

I didn't like the first Venom, but I was considering giving this one a chance until I watched the jail breakout scene, online, where Carnage spun himself into a tornado straight out of Looney Toons.

[Andrew NDB]

"Carnage." There wasn't any.

That's all.