"Black Widow" solo MCU movie

[Galactus]

Difficult to know who to root for with this one; One is a ruthless corporate driven entity with questionable views on race and gender and the other is Disney.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Galactus

One is a ruthless corporate driven entity with questionable views on race and gender

Receipts on this, please, honey.

AFAIK, the only vaguely "questionable" thing ScarJo did was trying to play trans-something in a biopic movie. Which she was completely in the right to do, since she is an actress.

Though, I assume you won't bother to answer, since you'd be too pleased with that dumb joke of yours.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

AFAIK, the only vaguely "questionable" thing ScarJo did was trying to play trans-something in a biopic movie. Which she was completely in the right to do, since she is an actress.

Also, not standing aside to let a Japanese woman play the main character in Ghost in the Shell... even though the main character is a robot, and when they show the original human it IS a Japanese woman. Retarded. It'd be like getting mad at William Finchtner himself, personally, for being cast as the Shredder (when that was still a thing).

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It'd be like getting mad at William Finchtner himself, personally, for being cast as the Shredder (when that was still a thing).

Probably would have made for a (slightly) more cohesive TMNT movie if they had stuck with the original cut of that film.

So far as I know, the only Japanese actor who had ever played Shredder up to that point was James Saito in the 1990 film, and even then he was barely seen without the mask. They even went with a Cambodian American (François Chau) in Secret of the Ooze. That would "controversy" was so stupid, and arguably wrecked any potential momentum the film franchise had going forward.

[Andrew NDB]

#1. Shredder being a Japanese man named Oroku Saki.

#2. The Foot being a Japanese clan of ninjas. From Japan.

#3. Shredder having history with and a reason to be mad at Splinter, or vice versa.

Nobody in the production of TMNT 2014 cared one iota about any of those 3 things until they completely shot the movie. Then they suddenly realized they should probably have cared about those 3 things. But even then, they didn't get around to #3 there.

But yeah, they might as well have released it as they originally had it. Guaranteed them changing it wasn't some "oh yeah, we need to make the fans happy!" situation but rather just a sense of self preservation from people on Twitter calling it white-washing and so on.

[sdp]

I didn't mind the casting until I saw the movie, she was still a horrible Matoko and the movie was boring hollywood fluff. It really needed a better actress and for it to be rated R.

I also do think 2014 in its original form would've been better, I made a thread about it. Eric Sacks made a good villain and Shredder being white was problem but the movie had bigger problems than that.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Also, not standing aside to let a Japanese woman play the main character in Ghost in the Shell... even though the main character is a robot, and when they show the original human it IS a Japanese woman. Retarded. It'd be like getting mad at William Finchtner himself, personally, for being cast as the Shredder (when that was still a thing).

Ah, yes, a horrible horrible case of racism...despite the fact that it was a point in the movie itself and author of the original work liked it, but when SJW trash allowed logic and contexts enter their empty heads?

Originally Posted by sdp

I didn't mind the casting until I saw the movie, she was still a horrible Matoko and the movie was boring hollywood fluff. It really needed a better actress and for it to be rated R.

I found it to be boring, but some of the ideas and visuals were amazing.
Overall - it is not the worst modern sci-fi (cyberpunk) movie, which exists. Aelita beats it easily, but it works in a slightly different genre.

[Galactus]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she try and justify her casting of Ghost In The Shell by saying she didn't think there was a problem with people playing any race they want. Something along those lines and to be fair I don't think she meant for it to be taken so literally (like I don't think she was advocating white actors blacking up to play Othello or anything) but it's still questionable.

I don't think she's evil (even after advertising Sodastream) but in a battle of her vs Disney I just couldn't root for either of them even if I actually think she's a decent actor and I like a lot of Disney's output.

It's very different to the William Fichtner situation. To my knowledge he was never actually questioned about his role as an whitewashed version of the Shredder so I guess we never heard his thoughts on it. I have suspicion he didn't even know the Shredder was supposed to be Japanese. I hope that if he was ever was going to comment he'd do better the Scarlett's ill thought out defense of her casting in Ghost In The Shell. Honestly that whole situation was weird. People made such a big deal about the turtles being aliens (and rightfully so) but I saw a lot of those same people argue "why can't the Shredder be white? That's reverse racism".

Also we know that it all the changes from Liebesman's first cut of that movie was because Bay hated it and thought it was too dark of whatever and when he ordered major re-writes and re-shoots since they were changing so much anyway they thought they might as well throw the fans a bone on the issue of a Japanese Shredder. I'm sure Liebesman's first cut was better than what we got in the sense it seemed like a more serious movie and it made more sense but I don't think it was ever going to be good enough to justify pissing off so many people these unnecessary changes.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she try and justify her casting of Ghost In The Shell by saying she didn't think there was a problem with people playing any race they want.

And she was absolutely right. "Acting." It's right there in the word.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

And she was absolutely right. "Acting." It's right there in the word.

So you'd be okay with a white actor donning black makeup and playing a black character?

Or how about the reverse; a black actor putting on white makeup and playing a caucasian character?

That being said I don't think that's what she meant, it just came off that way. Admittedly I'm allowing her some leeway here but I'm guessing she meant she didn't mind characters being re-imagined as a different race...which is a whole other argument and whatever side you're on at any given time probably depends on whether it's a white character being re-imagined as person of colour or the other way around.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

So you'd be okay with a white actor donning black makeup and playing a black character?

I would hope that they'd arrive at that after doing auditions with a lot of black actors, but honestly, yeah, if that's the best actor for the part and it suits the director's vision. And it wasn't even problematic until the SJW pretenders decided it was. I mean, I wouldn't do it myself. But then I've never painted my face any color ever, whether it's green or white or purple or anything else.

Or how about the reverse; a black actor putting on white makeup and playing a caucasian character?

It's happened before. No, I don't see anything wrong with it.

That being said I don't think that's what she meant. Admittedly I'm allowing her some leeway here but I'm guessing she meant she didn't mind characters being re-imagined as a different race...which is a whole other argument and whatever side you're on probably depends on whether it's a white character being re-imagined as person of colour or the other way around.

I don't think she was being misinterpreted. She was defending her taking the transgender role until the SJWs Twittered it apart and made it moot, which had nothing to do with a reimagining of anything or anybody.

Acting is the act of acting. Pretending to be something or someone you're not. This isn't like higher level thinking here, folks.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she try and justify her casting of Ghost In The Shell by saying she didn't think there was a problem with people playing any race they want.

Yes, there is no problem with playing fictional character of any race by anyone else. It is in her job description - "an actress".

an actress - a woman whose profession is acting on stage, in films, or on television.

What is it you don't get?

Or are you really thinking that she "steals" opportunity from Asian actresses, even though without ScarJo clout this movie, most likely, won't be made at all? And its not like Japan hasn't its own adaptation of GITS with all Asian actors.

Originally Posted by Galactus

I don't think she's evil (even after advertising Sodastream) but in a battle of her vs Disney I just couldn't root for either of them even if I actually think she's a decent actor and I like a lot of Disney's output.

LOL, supporting megacorporation, which is known to support state, which literally genocides and uses people as slaves (China) vs actress, whose biggest crime is believing that she can do her job as an actress, regardless of "moral guardians" screeching autism.

If you want to see why people don't take your side and arguments seriously, re-read once more what you've written.

Originally Posted by Galactus

It's very different to the William Fichtner situation.

What had happened with "ignorance doesn't free you from responsibility"?

Originally Posted by Galactus

So you'd be okay with a white actor donning black makeup and playing a black character?

Or how about the reverse; a black actor putting on white makeup and playing a caucasian character?

That being said I don't think that's what she meant, it just came off that way. Admittedly I'm allowing her some leeway here but I'm guessing she meant she didn't mind characters being re-imagined as a different race...which is a whole other argument and whatever side you're on at any given time probably depends on whether it's a white character being re-imagined as person of colour or the other way around.

You are "allowing her a leeway"...

Mate, you'd need to take yourself down a notch from that high pedestal. She is an accomplished talented person, international star and millionaire. And who the hell are you? LOL.

Also, I'd be OK with most people playing anyone else, as long as it is a good performance or character doesn't have an established image, like James Bond. In case of Motoko, it even was explained in the movie why she currently looks the way she is.

[Autbot_Benz]

Watched Black Widow on D+ and it was ok. I put this in the same Category as Captain Marvel kinda boring best to watch once to say you saw it doesn't really affect future MCU rewatches. Also making if you smell the evil russian guy Black Widow can't attack him was pretty stupid