New Gods Movie - Page 3

~~Leo656~~ · 11-02-2021, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Conversely, had Wrinkle in Time done amazing blockbuster numbers... WB would have surely fast-tracked New Gods.

Quite possibly. But if "Ifs" and "Buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

~~AquaParade~~ · 11-02-2021, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

It would appear that so far, most people who've voiced any opinion on the matter do not, in fact, believe her suggestion.

The predominantly expressed opinion thus far is that after her previous movie sank like a brick, WB simply decided that the project was too much of a risk to move forward in its then-current form.

There's things we Know and things we can Suppose. And those things together can tell us a whole lot.

Things We Know:
- "A Wrinkle In Time" lost around one hundred and thirty million dollars.
- People were told they should see it, mostly because "It's the first $100 million+ movie directed by a black woman." What that has to do with the movie being good or not, I'm not sure I comprehend.
- Lots of people who liked the book it was (loosely) based on, hated the movie for its deviations.
- People who never read the book said the movie was very pretty, but sometimes incoherent and sterile.
- Disney hates losing money.
- WB, also, hates losing money.
- And now they see their new diversity hire who's supposed to direct their very expensive New Gods movie just pissed away over $100 million of their main competitor's money.
- Despite every reason anyone gave for not seeing/not liking "A Wrinkle In Time" - and there multiple reasons given - the reason the director and Disney decided to insist upon was, "Y'all just racist."
- She has now twice in a row blamed other people for one of her projects not turning out as planned. First the "racists" who didn't go see "A Wrinkle In Time", and now Zack Snyder and HBO Max.

Things We Can Suppose (based on Things We Know):
- WB decided, based on All That Other Stuff Before, that having this woman direct New Gods was suddenly too large of a risk.
- This woman is persistently full of sh*t. (To be fair, this one should probably be under "Things We Know" but I'm trying to be nice)

Good rundown.

Really, it's just hard to believe that WB would allow three different versions of Batman on the big screen, while shutting down New Gods because Darkside was featured in a couple small snippets of a director's cut that went straight to streaming.

The most I am willing to believe is that this is the reasoning WB gave her, and she is willing to run with it, because it sounds better for her than the real reasoning.

**Jester** · 11-02-2021, 03:45 PM

I wonder what DC will think about the New Gods once the numbers are finally in for Eternals. I mean it's their Go-to Crazy Kirby World.

*IMJ* · 11-02-2021, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

I wonder what DC will think about the New Gods once the numbers are finally in for Eternals. I mean it's their Go-to Crazy Kirby World.

They will probably be glad they didn't make it.....

~~AquaParade~~ · 11-02-2021, 03:51 PM

Well, if Eternals underperforms, in terms relative to the MCU, then maybe WB will see it as an opening to "do Jack Kirby the right way".

I hate to fall back to this, but I don't think Zack Snyder would be a bad choice for a New Gods movie. I'd love to see his take on it, and I also wonder if it'd allow him to play with more color and saturation than he is usually accustomed to, which might also be fun to see.

~~Leo656~~ · 11-02-2021, 04:13 PM

I'll be honest, I know jack sh*t about Eternals but from the imagery in the trailers I get ZERO "Jack Kirby vibe" from the material at all. So maybe they really did simply pick the wrong person to tackle it. It looks incredibly subdued for something that came originally from Jack Kirby's pen.

Like maybe she tried to "humanize" it. Again, I don't know, I don't know Eternals and I won't see the film. I'm just saying, if you're trying to adapt Kirby material by bringing it "down to Earth"... that's literally the opposite of what you need to be doing with that.

Kirby's entire thing was bombast. People shouting or screaming their dialog while striking dramatic poses. Artwork that broke through the panels. "Did you think the GODS would tread lightly when they came to walk among you?!" and all that stuff. It's all "Go Big or Go Home" stuff. Either OVER-do it, or don't do it.

So yeah, I agree, it won't happen now but if I had to pick ONE person to do a Kirby movie, New Gods specifically... well, yeah, it's Zack. I mean really, who else? People say everything he does is overdone... that pretty much fits right in there. And I do think that the contrast between This Movie and That Movie would be striking, insofar as "doing Kirby the Right Way".

*Galactus* · 11-02-2021, 06:00 PM

I have to laugh. Leo's description of Mister Miracle and Big Barda reminded me of the first Justice League comic I ever brought. However this was the Justice League International and it was the annual were the Joker tried to assassinate all the then current members who were preparing for Scott and Barda's barbecue and hilariously failing without them even realising. My reaction was "this is it? This is the greatest super hero team of all time? All they do is talk about weenies?!?". I swiftly went back to reading X-Men. Now I can totally appreciate the humour of the JLI Dematteis run but back then it's not surprising I drifted more to Marvel.

What I see of the Eternals movie is very frustrating. Like a lot of people when the movie was announced assumed it would be based on Neil Gaiman's quasi reboot of the property in the 2000s as that mini series was generally well received, fitted better with established Marvel continuity and was a more than decent attempt at doing the property in a way that would appeal to a broader audience. (I love the King but as has been said on here his 70s work wasn't for everyone) so I was surprised that they were using the original run as the basis for the movie....yet as others have said it doesn't feel very Kirby.

Like Kirby's ideas and visuals are big, Chloe Zhao's ideas and visuals are also big but in very different ways. I like that Marvel is treating the material with a degree of realism and seriousnous but the more somber tone doesn't quite fit with Eternals. What struck out to me is the costumes, again I can see why some of the characters costumes and settings would look silly in live action but here's Zhao wanting realism makes things seem needlessly bland. There is a middle ground that it looks like is being missed with this movie.

I feel the same about the New Gods if I'm honest. In my mind I have the perfect New Gods movie which would stick very close to the original comics. I also have another movie which isn't quite my perfect movie but with some compromises that would make it palletable to the a non comic reading audience. If I was a Hollywood exec and being pragmatic the latter is what I would go for.

*Andrew NDB* · 11-02-2021, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

So yeah, I agree, it won't happen now but if I had to pick ONE person to do a Kirby movie, New Gods specifically... well, yeah, it's Zack. I mean really, who else?

Honestly, nobody that could do it better would be remotely interested in the job. And I seriously, seriously doubt DeVernay had some deep understanding a love of Kirby that she couldn't wait to bring out... definitely it was, "Oooh... a venue for my propaganda!"

*IMJ* · 11-02-2021, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Honestly, nobody that could do it better would be remotely interested in the job. And I seriously, seriously doubt DeVernay had some deep understanding a love of Kirby that she couldn't wait to bring out... definitely it was, "Oooh... a venue for my propaganda!"

I bet the guy who directed the first Doctor Strange flick would do a bang-up awesome job of Kirby material. We'd probably even get photo real "Kirby Crackle" on screen.

11-02-2021, 03:45 PM	#43
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	I wonder what DC will think about the New Gods once the numbers are finally in for Eternals. I mean it's their Go-to Crazy Kirby World. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

11-02-2021, 03:51 PM	#45
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	Well, if Eternals underperforms, in terms relative to the MCU, then maybe WB will see it as an opening to "do Jack Kirby the right way". I hate to fall back to this, but I don't think Zack Snyder would be a bad choice for a New Gods movie. I'd love to see his take on it, and I also wonder if it'd allow him to play with more color and saturation than he is usually accustomed to, which might also be fun to see.

11-02-2021, 04:13 PM	#46
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I'll be honest, I know jack sht about Eternals but from the imagery in the trailers I get ZERO "Jack Kirby vibe" from the material at all. So maybe they really did simply pick the wrong person to tackle it. It looks incredibly* subdued for something that came originally from Jack Kirby's pen. Like maybe she tried to "humanize" it. Again, I don't know, I don't know Eternals and I won't see the film. I'm just saying, if you're trying to adapt Kirby material by bringing it "down to Earth"... that's literally the opposite of what you need to be doing with that. Kirby's entire thing was bombast. People shouting or screaming their dialog while striking dramatic poses. Artwork that broke through the panels. "Did you think the GODS would tread lightly when they came to walk among you?!" and all that stuff. It's all "Go Big or Go Home" stuff. Either OVER-do it, or don't do it. So yeah, I agree, it won't happen now but if I had to pick ONE person to do a Kirby movie, New Gods specifically... well, yeah, it's Zack. I mean really, who else? People say everything he does is overdone... that pretty much fits right in there. And I do think that the contrast between This Movie and That Movie would be striking, insofar as "doing Kirby the Right Way".

11-02-2021, 06:00 PM	#47
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	I have to laugh. Leo's description of Mister Miracle and Big Barda reminded me of the first Justice League comic I ever brought. However this was the Justice League International and it was the annual were the Joker tried to assassinate all the then current members who were preparing for Scott and Barda's barbecue and hilariously failing without them even realising. My reaction was "this is it? This is the greatest super hero team of all time? All they do is talk about weenies?!?". I swiftly went back to reading X-Men. Now I can totally appreciate the humour of the JLI Dematteis run but back then it's not surprising I drifted more to Marvel. What I see of the Eternals movie is very frustrating. Like a lot of people when the movie was announced assumed it would be based on Neil Gaiman's quasi reboot of the property in the 2000s as that mini series was generally well received, fitted better with established Marvel continuity and was a more than decent attempt at doing the property in a way that would appeal to a broader audience. (I love the King but as has been said on here his 70s work wasn't for everyone) so I was surprised that they were using the original run as the basis for the movie....yet as others have said it doesn't feel very Kirby. Like Kirby's ideas and visuals are big, Chloe Zhao's ideas and visuals are also big but in very different ways. I like that Marvel is treating the material with a degree of realism and seriousnous but the more somber tone doesn't quite fit with Eternals. What struck out to me is the costumes, again I can see why some of the characters costumes and settings would look silly in live action but here's Zhao wanting realism makes things seem needlessly bland. There is a middle ground that it looks like is being missed with this movie. I feel the same about the New Gods if I'm honest. In my mind I have the perfect New Gods movie which would stick very close to the original comics. I also have another movie which isn't quite my perfect movie but with some compromises that would make it palletable to the a non comic reading audience. If I was a Hollywood exec and being pragmatic the latter is what I would go for.