Will Smith slaps Chris Rock at Oscars

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

but can't blame him for trying to defend her, no matter

I mean he had to defend the honor of August's woman after all.

[Leo656]

My favorite ones are the people saying "Chris was lucky all the OTHER guys Jada sleeps with didn't run up there and take a swing at him, too."

Looks pretty legit to me, but as others have pointed out, his whole family is a mess and his wife has pretty much openly emasculated him on TV numerous times so it shouldn't really be a shock that the guy's presently wound up really tight. No matter what face he puts on for the public, he knows for a fact that people are constantly judging him for being a cuckolded husband and a father to two kids who - let's be kind and polite - could be called "train wrecks" although to do so would be impolite to actual train wrecks.

I can totally believe that he got caught up in the moment and lost it. I can also totally believe Jada giving him a "nudge" to "handle this guy" because she definitely seems the type and she clearly was not amused.

It's not the kind of move that will give Will any respect, though; so long as he's with her, and no matter what they claim in public about their relationship, the only way anyone will ever respect him is if he mans up and leaves her. Any "relationship" where one person (or BOTH people for that matter) are screwing around is not "a relationship". People can say "it's their own business" all they want to, but it's wrong, it's shameful, it sets a bad example, these "arrangements" NEVER last and always end poorly, and it's a completely disastrous environment to raise kids in (and it speak strongly to why their kids are such a mess; look at the example they've been raised with). You start with this "Even though we have kids together we should still be allowed to f*ck other people" sh*t, add in a sprinkling of "I'd rather be a friend than a parent," and next thing you know your son is wearing dresses and constantly doing drugs while your daughter goes on your talk show talking about how she can't wait to be a huge unrepentant slut.

So I can see why the guy lost his cool, especially since he probably had a couple of drinks in him by that point given the nature of the festivities. But bottom line, if he'd left Jada when she came out unrepentantly talking about having cheated on him, then none of this happens. Stuff like this - especially when he laughs at the joke until she tells him to go defend her - only reinforces the idea that She's The Boss and he's just a cuck.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan or defender of Chris Rock; I don't think the joke was that funny at all but I also don't think it was very offensive. And I do agree with the old comedian adage of "Never make a joke you're not prepared to get slapped in the mouth over," so no sympathy from me there. But Will probably assumed that he'd come off looking like Big Strong Supportive Husband and instead he looks like more of a wimp than ever. A pretty bad miscalculation on his part.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

My favorite ones are the people saying "Chris was lucky all the OTHER guys Jada sleeps with didn't run up there and take a swing at him, too."

I gotta use that one

But ya see, this is exactly why men can't show emotion. Once you start crying, you pretty much become a meme and poster boy of beta bitch of the year.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Case by case scenario for me.

It's almost every case, exceptions are family deaths. Women are quick to say they want sensitive men but are the first to **** all over their men if they emotion. Not all women, mind you, but most. And if the guy's woman doesn't shame him, others will.

[joe-eyeball]

There really is no defense for Smith attacking Rock over a lame joke. Yes it was mildly insensitive but absolutely tame for a comedian on such a grand stage. If Will and more importantly Jada would have just shrugged it off all would have been forgotten 30 Freakin’ seconds later! Then you can approach Rock like an adult behind the scenes to handle the matter and make it extremely clear to never go there again. Instead Will Smith made a fool of himself. I find it ironic that the Oscars have been blasted for being too white and last night two black guys have an altercation and look like fools! Hollywood sucks

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It's almost every case, exceptions are family deaths. Women are quick to say they want sensitive men but are the first to **** all over their men if they emotion. Not all women, mind you, but most. And if the guy's woman doesn't shame him, others will.

Oh, yeah, for sure. Women HATE "sensitive" guys. They don't respect them at all, or at the very least they don't consider them f*ck-worthy. Any "sensitive" guy who openly cries or shows any emotion besides anger (the one "acceptable" male emotion yet also the one women claim to hate/fear the most), their wife/girlfriend is 100% f*cking somebody else, generally a "bad boy" type. Because no matter what women SAY they want or are attracted to, their vaginas are attracted to Strength and not Weakness, and they implicitly see "sensitive" men or men who show any emotion at all as "weak" while men who only get emotional to yell or break things are "strong". Women are genetically predisposed to only want the "strongest" seed inside of them, ergo they reject wimps and softies. Complaining all the while about how men are "insensitive" and "violent", no less.

I've dealt with this firsthand. I was feeling pretty good when I came out of the wellness center for having much better control over my anger, being better able to vocalize what I was feeling, etc. I figured, "My wife is always complaining about my anger, now she'll see that I have a much better handle on my emotions and that will make her happy." Didn't take long at all before she said something to the effect of, "Kinda don't like what a pussy you are now ever since you left that place." Suffice to say, all emotions except Explosive Rage were once again put back in the bottle and that's where they stay; if that's the guy she expects then that's the guy she's gonna get, since being nice gets you labeled "a pussy".

It was a big topic of discussion during group therapy. Men suffer psychotic breaks and/or commit suicide at numbers that completely dwarf women, and almost all of it comes from the fact that men are expected to never, ever show any emotion besides anger. Even from their women who SAY that isn't what they want. There's only so much anyone can take.

[AquaParade]

I don’t like to generalize because I’ve found exceptions to everything but I agree that there is a lot of truth in that. It’s biological programming, what can you do. People also want what they can’t have, which is why we also pine for people who aren’t instantly wrapped around our finger. One more element is pack mentality - we want who other people want

But yeah, for a man, showing strength is a big part of it. Most women are going to look to you to be the rock. It’s not always an easy job.

It’s not to say you can’t find someone compatible, to whom you can open up to. It’s difficult though. My first two serious relationships in highschool/college both happened to end while I was going through bouts of depression. I had less self control and probably leaked my emotions all over them, which killed any sexual desire they had for me lol.
I mean, probably in both instances, they idolized me for years, before having their perceptions smashed when I entered a moment of weakness.

Guys have things they need to, by and large. I’m not singling women out. And I’m not saying you can’t find someone to open up to. But it’s actually pretty difficult to find someone who you can fully open up to.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I don’t like to generalize because I’ve found exceptions to everything but I agree that there is a lot of truth in that. It’s biological programming, what can you do. People also want what they can’t have, which is why we also pine for people who aren’t instantly wrapped around our finger. One more element is pack mentality - we want who other people want

But yeah, for a man, showing strength is a big part of it. Most women are going to look to you to be the rock. It’s not always an easy job.

It’s not to say you can’t find someone compatible, to whom you can open up to. It’s difficult though. My first two serious relationships in highschool/college both happened to end while I was going through bouts of depression. I had less self control and probably leaked my emotions all over them, which killed any sexual desire they had for me lol.
I mean, probably in both instances, they idolized me for years, before having their perceptions smashed when I entered a moment of weakness.

Guys have things they need to, by and large. I’m not singling women out. And I’m not saying you can’t find someone to open up to. But it’s actually pretty difficult to find someone who you can fully open up to.

Let's not forget also, once the arguing starts they will use every private, embarrassing, deeply personal thing you confided in them and throw it in your face.

[Leo656]

Yeah, and if you can't open up and be yourself to the person who you spend the most time with and is supposed to know and understand you better than anyone else in the world... that gets pretty soul-crushing.

Women say they want to talk, but it's really one-sided; they just want You to hear Them, they're not interested in your feelings at all. My own is pretty transparent; "We can 'talk' when it's about wanting to f*ck, otherwise I'm not interested." But man, that gets old. Like, I probably would not be on a message board at all if I had someone to "actually" talk to about the stuff I'm thinking and feeling. But I'm "not allowed" to talk because "that's boring", so I just vent to you people instead.

It's not "good" but it's also a 20+ year long relationship. In my experience, not only are relationships not meant to last that long, but I've never met anyone who'd been with a person that long and they didn't hate and resent the living hell out of each other. To topic, Will and Jada have been together forever too so it shouldn't be a secret why they're having problems. The "romantic love" part of any relationship usually dissolves within two years or less, because that stuff is all just chemical. After that, it's just about sex, and even that gets boring after a while. The longest you can really be with a person and actually still be "into them" sincerely is about five years or so; after that, eyes and minds start to wander.

I personally love to generalize, because it saves time and 1% exceptions in no way disprove the "rules" which said generalizations are based on. It's okay to say "All Women Do This" and not "All Women Except Three Or Four Do This" because the exceptions are SO rare they're not even worth acknowledging. People Are The Way They Are, and a lot of that is in their "programming". Sure there are a few individuals who can "override their programming" but again, it's so rare that it's hardly even worth stopping to say, "Well, I mean not EVERY single individual" because that just wastes time. Generalizations become generalizations to begin with because they are "generally" true far more often than not.

So it's okay to say things like "All women cheat (or wish they could)", "All women hate weak men", etc. etc. Because while it may not be true once or twice, it's true the rest of the time so why bother fighting it?

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Let's not forget also, once the arguing starts they will use every private, embarrassing, deeply personal thing you confided in them and throw it in your face.

Hell yeah they do. That's something I was warned about when I was getting ready to go home from the center.

One of the male counselors pulled me aside to talk privately, and was like "I really can't talk to you the way I'm about to, I could get in big trouble for it, but here's the thing... personally, I wouldn't go back to your wife." Now, the idea of going home was one of the main things driving me the whole time, and he knew that. But he was very candid; "I've seen this a million times; when the man gets home, the woman in the situation will use this whole experience against them for the rest of their f*cking LIVES. She's gonna insult you, demean you, put you down, and if you ever speak out of turn, she's gonna remind you that she can ruin your whole life with one phone call and put you right back here, anytime she wants to. I can't tell you what to do - and again, I'm not supposed to pick sides or play favorites or talk about 'how women are' or anything... but that IS how they are, and I can promise you, that's exactly what's gonna happen. Almost every single one of the guys who leave here and go back to their wives end up right back here eventually."

I said I didn't think so, he wished me all the luck, and that's where it ended. I eventually got back home and was brimming with hope and optimism.

It took about 6 WEEKS for every single thing he'd predicted would happen to come true. All that self-improvement, shot to hell and down the drain because you really DO need to cut all ties with the toxic people in your life and start over in a brand new environment, or else those people - and 99% of the time, they're the ones "closest" to you - will do everything they can to keep you beneath and below them.

They're spiteful, petty, and vindictive. That's a Hard Rule. Exceptions? Sure, a few. They tend to be single, though, and not interested in relationships. Because all "relationships" rely on a system of subtle manipulation to maintain on either side and "good" women can't be bothered playing such games. So if a woman isn't a spiteful manipulator by nature, she's probably going to be single forever. That's just the way it is.

I mean, if you really pay attention to human beings... they're not at all complicated.

[Andrew NDB]

I have definitely been with women who anytime you "open up" to them will use whatever you say as silver bullets for the next argument that comes around. And it seems like they couldn't wait to do so, looking back. All of these women seemed to have varying degrees of what I would probably call abandonment issues.

I have also been with women who don't do that at all. Like my current wife.

Also...

https://people.com/movies/oscars-202...s-embarrassed/

I still don't know, guys. Getting shades of Justin Timberlake here after the Janet Jackson "accident."

[Leo656]

Maybe she doesn't unload on you directly. In my experience, if they don't do it to your face they do it to your/their friends. "Can you BELIEVE he said _____? Jesus Christ." But they're always tearing you down to SOME one.

Like, I know a lot of people do the "I don't check my partner's phone" thing, and that makes sense, pretty sh*tty to spy on people. But some people don't care, and every buddy I've had who ever checked their wife's phone found them saying absolutely scandalous sh*t about them to their friends, especially stuff that was spoken of in confidence. Women love spilling secrets and they LOVE tearing down their men to anyone who'll listen. So I guess the moral of the story is, "Never Tell Your Wife Anything Too Personal" because it IS going to get out.

I never had to snoop on my wife's phone. Every time she gets a new phone, I get the old one, and there's always a glitch with the sim card after we swap them where her old texts still show up on my phone and some of her new ones will keep getting sent to me, too. So I see everything eventually. Sometimes I blow up right away, and sometimes I just wait until a more strategically advantageous time to do so. But it always blows up eventually. "I can't believe you said _____! You're so mean!" "Oh, you mean like when you told ____ about _____ after I told you that in confidence and said not to tell anyone?" "........you weren't supposed to know about that..." "WELL I F*CKING DO." And then I'm the bad guy for being mad, when she ought to be the bad guy for telling people things she absolutely was not supposed to be telling people. But again... That's How Women Are.

I forget who coined the phrase about "Marriage is just two people who hate each other but don't wanna pay separate rent." But that's how it always ends up. Eventually.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Leo656

My favorite ones are the people saying "Chris was lucky all the OTHER guys Jada sleeps with didn't run up there and take a swing at him, too."

But then they'd be up there 'til August.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I have definitely been with women who anytime you "open up" to them will use whatever you say as silver bullets for the next argument that comes around. And it seems like they couldn't wait to do so, looking back.

Wait, you've slept with my mother? D-dad...?

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

But then they'd be up there 'til August.

Wakka Wakka.

It's funny how even some of the women on my Friends list are like "Jada's a disrespectful cheating whore and the only way Will can ever get any respect back is to walk away because this is all just the tip of the iceberg with those two." Even they get it.

Of course, if he walks away then she gets hundreds of millions of dollars, so there's That.

There's really no easy solution to this kind of things though, because people change and rarely for the better. You can sit down with someone at the very start of a relationship and say flat-out, "There can't be any cheating going on," and they'll SAY they don't want that, and maybe they'll even mean it when they say it. But eventually... well, no matter how much you love Corn Pops, having only that for breakfast every day starts to get boring. And "boredom" is the main reason women give for cheating on their men. So no matter who they are in their 20s, a woman in their 30s or 40s simply isn't going to be so inclined to keep their promise to Love and Honor Only You. Because by then, they're bored. And when the woman gets "bored", all bets are off and so are their pants. It's rather inevitable.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Wakka Wakka.

It's funny how even some of the women on my Friends list are like "Jada's a disrespectful cheating whore and the only way Will can ever get any respect back is to walk away because this is all just the tip of the iceberg with those two." Even they get it.

Of course, if he walks away then she gets hundreds of millions of dollars, so there's That.

There's really no easy solution to this kind of things though, because people change and rarely for the better. You can sit down with someone at the very start of a relationship and say flat-out, "There can't be any cheating going on," and they'll SAY they don't want that, and maybe they'll even mean it when they say it. But eventually... well, no matter how much you love Corn Pops, having only that for breakfast every day starts to get boring. And "boredom" is the main reason women give for cheating on their men. So no matter who they are in their 20s, a woman in their 30s or 40s simply isn't going to be so inclined to keep their promise to Love and Honor Only You. Because by then, they're bored. And when the woman gets "bored", all bets are off and so are their pants. It's rather inevitable.

You forget the part where it's always your fault.

If you cheat on your wife, it's obviously your fault, but if she cheats on you.... it's also somehow your fault too.

People always say the man needs to man up so the wife doesn't stray.... don't really heard too much about women needing to woman up so their guys don't stray. Men are just expected to put up with whatever a woman dishes out and ask for seconds.

Will Smith went for thirds and a midnight snack afterwards.

[CyberCubed]

This thread has been an eye opener on the female species. Very informative I shall take notes.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This thread has been an eye opener on the female species. Very informative I shall take notes.

Yeah, maybe someday you'll actually talk to one.

Your hand will appreciate the time off.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

You forget the part where it's always your fault.

If you cheat on your wife, it's obviously your fault, but if she cheats on you.... it's also somehow your fault too.

People always say the man needs to man up so the wife doesn't stray.... don't really heard too much about women needing to woman up so their guys don't stray. Men are just expected to put up with whatever a woman dishes out and ask for seconds.

Will Smith went for thirds and a midnight snack afterwards.

I mean, you really can't prevent a woman from cheating if she really wants to. Even their therapists tell them nowadays "Just go ahead and do it but don't let your husband find out." That's Standard Operating Procedure. Their friends tell them to do it, their families tell them to do it... only the little voice in their head saying "This Isn't Right" would say otherwise, and not everyone has that little voice to begin with.

In order, it goes "I'm bored of my husband/boyfriend and our routine", "He's not enough of A Real Man and I want some excitement", "I'm no longer attracted to him physically but don't want to upset the stability of our shared life", and those are the most common reasons given, and then it gets into "He's cruel/abusive" and "I found out they cheated and I want revenge" stuff. But the MOST cited reasons - and studies back this up entirely - are some variant of "I'm just plain bored of the person I'm with." And to them, that's A Good Reason.

True story, my wife is the only woman I know personally who's never cheated (yet), and a lot of that comes from the fact she never leaves the house unless I'm with her. Otherwise, I'd be a lot more worried about it, especially once she hit 35 or so and started talking openly about the possibility of it "maybe" happening one day. Once you stop f*cking 'em at least 5 days a week they get sick of you REAL fast.

Every other woman I know well personally (as in family and close friends) has cheated at least once, and their reasoning is always some variant of, "Yeah but what are you gonna do?" Like it's crazy to expect anyone to be faithful, or something.

I mean if everyone is a whore then why do we even have any pretense at all, that's what I don't get.

[Coola Yagami]

Another factor you forget is that nowadays all of that is being celebrated. While someone will cheat no matter what, what stops a lot of them is the social shaming that comes with it, or worried what their parents will say and so forth.

Nowadays it's pretty much 'you go girl, slay queen, go get yours', no matter if she's destroying her family and crushing the heart of possibly the only guy that will ever truly love her, but hey 'go get yours queen'.

[Anarchistguy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This thread has been an eye opener on the female species. Very informative I shall take notes.

You gotta be kiddin' me...you didn't know any of this???