Random Thoughts - Current Events edition - Page 8

~~Leo656~~ · 04-23-2022, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Disney isn't leaving Florida. Can you imagine the cost for Disney to up and abandon Disneyworld and what, rebuild it from scratch somewhere else? Somewhere less desirable, even?

The trouble with this is that it should have been something to hold over Disney. Like, "you better knock this sh** off, or we'll do X." Not even giving the threat and just doing X doesn't accomplish much and doesn't give Disney any incentive to not just continue business as usual, because they no longer have anything they can lose.

I admit, it's unlikely, but people and corporations have a way of going to extreme lengths to avoid the taxman.

Perhaps the biggest takeaway from all this SHOULD be, "A corporation has been operating for decades as its own autonomous entity on U.S. soil, exempt from regular laws and guidelines."

Like... is that in ANY way excusable? That a company (or more accurately, said company's theme park) can in essence be its own "Sovereign nation", simply because the parent corporation is that huge and influential? There's just so much wrong with that, to me. It's a theme park, operating as its own country. That's... insane.

I think they're too entrenched in Florida to leave as well, for one thing they specifically chose to build their theme parks in Florida and California because they're the two most popular tourist/vacation states in the U.S. So they're kinda stuck, even if they wanted to leave, there's no place to realistically accommodate them in either space or tourist dollars. But in any case the governor has already promised that they're gonna be on the hook for a lot more tax money going forward, no more "breaks". You already hear a lot about Disney treating their theme park employees like sh*t so you can expect things to get worse, not better, across the board. This will not be a good situation for anyone.

And all because Disney just HAD to appease the pink hairs. They had the right idea in the first place, just keep quiet and weather the storm. Oh, they got caught giving donations to Republicans? You don't even need to explain that, but if you feel forced, you say "Yeah, we do give money to Republicans and Democrats too, just like Nike and Marlboro and Viacom and Budweiser. We give money to ALL the politicians because that way, we get to do whatever we want no matter who's in charge. What, you idiots didn't know that? That's how it works, dummies."

The LGBTQ crowd acts like because Disney gave money to a political party, they're openly in support of every bit of legislation they enact. That's not how it works. They give money to Republicans because Florida is a Republican state, Disney operates in that state, and they'd like for things to go their way more often than not. It's just common sense.

Now, they went and sh*t where they eat and they're dealing with the consequences. And it's all needless.

All because SOME people really, really, REALLY think it's Disney's responsibility to tell your 5-year old, "If you wanna suck a dick and wear a dress, Timmy, by all means, go ahead."

No, it's not their responsibility.

Nor is it the responsibility of ANY schoolteacher in the state of Florida, which is what all of this is REALLY all about.

I'm guessing that the LGBTQ community chose to derisively call the bill the "Don't Say Gay" law because calling it the "Don't Talk About Sex With My 5-Year Old You F*cking Pervert" Bill wouldn't garner the "correct" emotional response from people who only read the headlines. But it WOULD be a much more apt descriptor. But then, we know how well Liberals and Facts get along on a good day.

~~Sumac~~ · 04-23-2022, 04:12 AM

The more **** goes the more all those LGBBBQ+folks are losing my respect.

They got everything they wanted. But now they want more and more. Ultimate outcome of this behavior - they will be slapped over their collective bluehaired dumb**** heads and go back to pound sand and more and more people will hate them. Basically their effort will lead to resurgence of Homophobia and intolerance, just what could have been observed after BLM thugs riots.

Power indeed corrupts.

And, of course, any freakshow, whatever they think they are, which wants to talk with little kids about sexuality and sex and sexual reassignment, can rot in the deepest pile of trash. It is not even a question, whether they are pedo or not. Only mentally ill freak would want to do that.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-23-2022, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

Basically their effort will lead to resurgence of Homophobia and intolerance, just what could have been observed after BLM thugs riots.

I mean, yeah, basically. Push too hard, people push back. And you don't need to have ANY problem with gay people whatsoever, to think that Sex Ed is not appropriate for Grades K-3. It's NOT appropriate in that context.

A lesbian friend of mine once went on a rant about the people she called "The Freaks and Weirdos" (her words). We were having a conversation via text and she dropped the bomb that "I f*cking hate gay people." Which, as you might guess, kind of threw me for a loop, seeing as she was, y'know... a gay person. So I asked her to kindly clarify, which she was happy to do.

To paraphrase: "I might be gay but don't EVER lump me in with those f*cking people, with their rainbow hair and 87 made-up genders and needing to make who they're f*cking the main topic of every f*cking conversation even if nobody asked. Those people make it SO much harder for people like me just to exist, because if people find out I'm gay they automatically assume I'm some kind of freak who wants to put their son in a dress and take him to a PRIDE parade. That sh*t makes me sick, they're ruining sh*t for the rest of us. Just be f*cking NORMAL for God's sake. Pretty sure people don't 'hate them for being gay' so much as they hate them for being f*cking lunatics. Be nice if I could 'just' be a lesbian without everyone automatically assuming I'm some kind of pedo or a fetish weirdo. But that's what they see on TV so that's what they assume. Those people don't speak for me, I can't f*cking stand them."

She's blunt to a fault, but I completely understand her point. When you're part of a larger group, even if you don't share all traits of the other members of said group, their general behavior is going to mark you as One Of Them, for good or ill. I have a ton of not-straight friends, and by and large, the "normal" ones (i.e., the ones who are completely "out" but you probably wouldn't know they were gay unless you asked because they don't make a gigantic spectacle of themselves at every opportunity) have a huge problem with the more ostentatious ones. "They make us all look like we're insane" is a refrain I hear a lot.

So yeah, I can see a rise in aggression and pushback towards the LGBTQ community being a reaction to some of these recent events, sure. When they're having to make it an actual law to state, "Teachers can't talk to 5 year olds about gay buttsex or hormone therapy"... let's face it, things are off the rails. Naturally parents are upset. Even a lot of gay ones. "It's just too young, for f*ck's sake." Why is that even in dispute? It shouldn't be.

And sadly, as we've seen historically when things go too far offsides, people on the opposing side have a way of unfortunately pushing back. Which would be regrettable, don't get me wrong. It's just... the LGBTQ community invites that kind of reaction once they start making "Let's talk about Gay Stuff with Very Young Kids" as the hill they want to die on.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 04-23-2022, 04:39 AM

I hope all of this results in Homosexuality being outlawed in all forms once more.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-23-2022, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I hope all of this results in Homosexuality being outlawed in all forms once more.

Not at all. It's ridiculously simple. Keep that crap out of the classrooms (if mom and dad want to tell their kids about it, great, it's not on teachers) and keep it out of kids shows. That's it.

Wow, so horrible. This is literally stuff that even Obama was saying was out of the question even just a few years ago. Now their stance is suddenly, either you're all in for it or you're probably a nazi.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-23-2022, 05:53 AM

Yeah, I think it's pretty weird to have a problem with gay people in this day and age. That comes off as pretty Amish. There's nothing inherently wrong with it; in theory, if everyone were gay the human race would go extinct, sure, but that's not in any realistic danger of happening. If someone thinks it's "gross" they can just not pay attention to it. The next time one of my gay friends asks me to come over and watch them do their gay business will be the Very First Time that happens.

I dare say MOST of them don't make a scene, most of them don't hurt anybody, most of them you'd never even know they were gay until you asked. The ones who march and picket aren't the majority, they're just loud. At least, that's my experience.

I don't understand "actual" homophobia. Legit. I've f*cked girls in the ass; it feels good. I've never f*cked a guy in the ass but one would assume the sensation wouldn't be all that different on the "pitching" side. As for the receiving end, I've had people tell me it feels amazing and also people who say it does not but they go along with it for reasons. So who knows. Just saying, it's probably fun in general, so if everyone is a consenting adult, go nuts. I don't have to be gay to understand the general mechanics or why that would appeal to some people.

I do at least superficially respect the people who say, "I just think it's gross", because at least they're honest. What I find, though, is that anecdotally, most of them are okay with the idea of guy-on-girl buttsex, but guy-on-guy buttsex is a bridge too far, for them. Which gets me back to, "Well, if nobody's making you watch, who even cares?"

But I can respect honesty, at the very least. So I respect the people who will say, "I just don't like it because it makes me feel icky just thinking about it" (although my advice to those people would be, "Just don't think about it, then, ya goof").

What I don't respect are people who hide behind "God" and use that to support their position. I don't respect that about anything, frankly, because without being an edgelord I do think God and Santa have a ton in common so what either of them has to say on any subject probably shouldn't matter very much at all. MOST people who say, "I am against homosexuality because it's against God's will" can't even quote a Bible verse, and that's a fact. Some can, most can't. What they're doing is passing the buck so they don't have to own their opinion on the subject. "It ain't ME, bruh! It's just, y'know... GOD says it's wrong, so I'm outvoted." Spare me. God could care less, if he were real, about where people stick their junk. The whole planet's on fire, if he cares about Gay People that much then his priorities are terrible.

"Thankfully"... he probably isn't real. If only we knew that for sure, then these people would actually have to come right out and admit, "I just personally think it's gross." Which is still silly. But at least it's honest.

I've heard some people cite some cockamamie nonsense about how "It's wrong because the only acceptable form of sex is for making babies," but holy sh*t, if we're still teaching people THAT in any part of the world in 2022 then we're in more trouble than we thought. For one thing, baby-making is probably only 1% of the reason anybody ever has sex to begin with, but for another thing... having kids is incredibly irresponsible in this day and age and so I side-eye the hell out of anyone who does so on purpose. I have a much bigger problem with people who purposely have kids than I do with gay people, just putting it out there. The latter does no harm to anyone, the former throws millions more unwitting lost souls into the human zoo where they're ensured to do naught but toil endlessly for slave wages until they croak. Most people are f*cking miserable, depression and suicide are skyrocketing, but oh, sure, let's just all keep breeding, I'm sure it'll turn around if we just keep at it. Madness. Lunacy, even.

I'unno, man. I can't see any validity in homophobia in this day and age. Other than, SOME of them can be very annoying and overbearing with how ostentatious they are and their need to make their sexual identity their entire center of being. But that's not most of them.

I know I've been ACCUSED of being homophobic plenty of times on this very forum by various ignorant people, but I can assure you I am in fact one of the most tolerant people here when it comes to stuff like that. I simply resent anyone who makes an unwarranted spectacle of themselves while simultaneously claiming they hate attention or just want to be left alone, because it's disingenuous.

But like Andrew said, what's a bridge too far for me is that they want to make Gay and Trans Education part of the state-funded curriculum for very young children. Which is literally the textbook definition of "indoctrination", aka, "The Thing They SWEAR They Are Not Interested In Doing." And yes, I think "regular" Sex Ed should automatically be out of bounds for kids that young, too. It shouldn't even be a conversation.

I am not nor ever will be a parent, but if I was, and I paid taxes into the school system, and my kid can barely read or do basic math BUT you wanna take an hour out of every day to teach them about boys in dresses or hormone therapy... you better believe I'd want to raise hell because it demonstrates a complete lack of priority, and also sanity, on the part of the school system.

These things shouldn't be between anyone but the kid and their parents, at that age. The parents hate gay people? Unfortunate, but the truth is, those kids will find no shortage of "acceptance" outside of the home as they get older, and then when they're 18 they can move out and do whatever they want. That's how it has always worked. No, ideally, it should not "have" to be that way, but you will never, ever, EVER "reeducate" a father to completely accept that their son is gay, it just isn't going to happen because some things are hardwired. So on some level, you just have to accept a level of "go along to get along" until you're of age and on your own, at which point you can do whatever you want.

Which sounds a lot like "Just stay in the closet until you're out of school," I admit, and yeah, that's a bummer that some people have no choice but to do that, but... I got news for them, there's a LOT of stuff kids can't talk to their parents about without catching hell, not just sexuality. If your Dad played football, try telling them you'd rather paint. If your Mom loves the piano, try telling her you don't like music. And so on and so forth. Kids inevitably have to keep some things about themselves "in the closet" until they're on their own, if they don't want to be hassled; that's just life. If they choose to "come out" and they know that their own parents are intolerant, well... I'd say that they did a poor job in picking their battles. Sounds harsh, but then so is Reality.

But again, the crux of the issue at hand is, "Is it acceptable for gay/trans stuff to be part of taxpayer-funded curriculum for children aged 5 through 8 years old?"

The only answer should be, "Of course not, you f*cking weirdo. They can get that in 6th Grade with the rest of the Sex Ed stuff." By then, it's a lot more likely to be an issue that actually affects them in any significant way. Which, let's be honest, it realistically will not be at Age 5.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-23-2022, 06:28 AM

The biggest point in all of this, to me, is that the largest proponents of all of this "needs to be in schools or naziism!"... these people aren't even parents. You're a gay parent? Cool. You get a vote. Everyone who is hanging out on the sidelines with, permanently single or asexual or something? Yeah. You should get no vote.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-23-2022, 06:55 AM

Even that might be conditional, in my opinion.

I've seen some gay parents online - who I would hope were just being cheeky - claim that they'd "Never want a straight child", would be "so disappointed" if their kid turned out straight, and were "subtly encouraging them" from a very young age that "it's better to be gay".

On one hand, sure, all of that is basically the inverse of how a lot of straight parents are when raising their kids and teaching them that "Straight Is The Default" whether overtly or implicitly. So in theory, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, I guess.

But at the same time, if those people are serious then they're exactly the same as the people they rail against. I *think* they're mostly-kidding but sometimes it's hard to tell.

If you honestly don't care or mind that your kid might be gay, and your main priority is simply to raise them to be a good and well-adjusted human being, that's awesome, you get a vote.

If you're a person who claims "I'd be so disappointed if my kid were straight and so I'm doing my best to ensure that doesn't happen"... not only are you just as bad as the so-called bigots, but your skewed priorities mean that I'm not really comfortable with you having much input into things.

But yeah, a lot of the ones making the most noise? Not even parents, that's true. They're simply gay people who find oppression everywhere they turn and thus see fit to "fight back". As if some other 5 year old kid learning that it's okay to suck a c*ck will give this other gay person their childhood back because THEY were teased as a kid, that's what a lot of it comes down to if you let them talk for long enough. "If only there was this kind of thing when *I* was a kid, my whole life would be different now!" Eh. Maybe in theory; in reality, you probably had other priorities at that age, like remembering not to sh*t your pants or get caught eating your boogers.

And the whole "Kids Will Die" hyperbole, from the advocates and the politicians. Like, what? Is there some unspoken mass surge in kids aged 5-though-8 killing themselves en masse because nobody talked to them about gay or trans issues? I am 99.9% sure that does not happen, has not happened, and most likely will not happen.

I've read over the years about some teenagers committing suicide because they were gay and felt unaccepted and bullied and belittled by their peers... but again, that's teenagers. The bill in Florida, the one where people hyperbolically claim "kids will die" over it, explicitly deals with Grades K through 3. To my knowledge, there are no dead gay kids that young. If it happens twice per year among kids in that age bracket, I'll be shocked it's even that many. Pretty sure it's closer to 0, though.

But again... Liberals and Facts don't really get along all that well. The former trades in hyperbole and fear-mongering as a matter of course and the latter has no time for it.

~~Sumac~~ · 04-23-2022, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I hope all of this results in Homosexuality being outlawed in all forms once more.

In this case you are no less retarded than SJWs.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-23-2022, 07:55 AM

For one thing, I absolutely refuse to give up lesbians. No f*cking WAY, pal.

I can kinda understand being icked about guys doing butt stuff but if seeing a couple hot chicks bang beavers together doesn't make you smile then I'm pretty sure you're dead inside.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 04-23-2022, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

In this case you are no less retarded than SJWs.

Mr. Sumac, the great democratic champion, using his spell binding and eloquent mastery of the spoken word to destroy all the totalitarians, both in the East and the West. You are truly a great warrior of utmost spirit, and your legacy will leave its mark on history, to be remembered and loved for all time.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-23-2022, 09:34 AM

I mean, it was a harsh reply. But at the same time, if a person in 2022 says out loud "I wish there were no more gay people"... you can't really be shocked if that's the reply you get.

Self-awareness is a virtue, and all'a that. It's very clear by now that you don't like or approve of gay people, and I'm sure that to you the reasons for that make sense. But surely you have to know that that's not a majority opinion anymore. In fact, in some places, it can get you punched in the face and nobody would bat an eye or raise a hand in your defense. They'd just say, "Well, that's what he gets."

He definitely could've made a kinder reply, but c'mon... you knew SOMEone was gonna go there. It wasn't a statement all that far removed from "I wish black people would know their place and go back to the rear of the bus." Even if you mean it, most people don't agree and they're not gonna be nice in saying so. That's just the way it is.

~~Sumac~~ · 04-23-2022, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Mr. Sumac, the great democratic champion, using his spell binding and eloquent mastery of the spoken word to destroy all the totalitarians, both in the East and the West. You are truly a great warrior of utmost spirit, and your legacy will leave its mark on history, to be remembered and loved for all time.

My answer was equal to your statement. Nothing else.

Given your previous statements about "totalitarianism", I am willing to revoke what remains of my good faith regarding your person and treat you like I treat any uneducated ignorant totalitarian zealot.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 04-23-2022, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I mean, it was a harsh reply. But at the same time, if a person in 2022 says out loud "I wish there were no more gay people"... you can't really be shocked if that's the reply you get.

Self-awareness is a virtue, and all'a that. It's very clear by now that you don't like or approve of gay people, and I'm sure that to you the reasons for that make sense. But surely you have to know that that's not a majority opinion anymore. In fact, in some places, it can get you punched in the face and nobody would bat an eye or raise a hand in your defense. They'd just say, "Well, that's what he gets."

He definitely could've made a kinder reply, but c'mon... you knew SOMEone was gonna go there. It wasn't a statement all that far removed from "I wish black people would know their place and go back to the rear of the bus." Even if you mean it, most people don't agree and they're not gonna be nice in saying so. That's just the way it is.

I'm not shocked in the least bit by his reply or expecting anything else from him. I am well aware of the Western mindset regarding LGBT rights that has spread so far and wide, even in Russia where Sumac is, and is the majority opinion in America where most forum members are.

However, there are billions of other people throughout the world who still despise this practice, and they'd make up more than a majority of the global population (China, South Asia, Africa, the Middle East etc). The supporters of Gay rights should be worried because many of the racial and/or religious groups which oppose everything LGBT related are rapidly becoming more powerful by the day by spreading their influence or increasing their population.

So people can give me the most harsh replies possible or I could even be prosecuted where I currently live (not my home country) for speaking out against Homosexuality. Just know that my side is hard at work, and we will be the victors who take control of the world and write history one day.

*CyberCubed* · 04-23-2022, 05:35 PM

I have no issues with homosexuals, and lesbians (at least the hot ones) are always good. As said above, most of the time I didn't even know someone was gay until they said anything. One guy at my job has been there since 2019, and he was just a normal guy so I never thought anything.

One day he said, "I enjoy watching this movie with my husband," out of the blue to the people at my job and I was surprised. Nobody said anything, because the guy never gave off any gay vibes at all so everyone assumed he was straight. And after that everyone treated him the same as always since he's a nice guy and gets along with everyone.

In the real world I obviously don't care who random people love as long as it's of legal age...so what does it matter to me? It feels like 30+ years ago people would make a big deal out of a black man dating a white woman, now nobody cares.

~~Sumac~~ · 04-23-2022, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I'm not shocked in the least bit by his reply or expecting anything else from him. I am well aware of the Western mindset regarding LGBT rights that has spread so far and wide, even in Russia where Sumac is, and is the majority opinion in America where most forum members are.

In Russia most people are either indifferent or against Homosexuality. Shows just how much you know.

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

However, there are billions of other people throughout the world who still despise this practice, and they'd make up more than a majority of the global population (China, South Asia, Africa, the Middle East etc). The supporters of Gay rights should be worried because many of the racial and/or religious groups which oppose everything LGBT related are rapidly becoming more powerful by the day by spreading their influence or increasing their population.

I take you don't see a pattern in that all listed countries / regions are mostly backwards totalitarian shitholes? And in them LGB rights are not even the main issue, but general freedoms you take for granted.
And in case those religious groups won, they will strip YOUR rights as well. But something tells me you don't think about it, as any ignorant buffoon, who thinks that in case of revolution, he somehow will be on top.

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

So people can give me the most harsh replies possible or I could even be prosecuted where I currently live (not my home country) for speaking out against Homosexuality. Just know that my side is hard at work, and we will be the victors who take control of the world and write history one day.

Empty posturing, which sounds like an incoherent religious rambling of a maniac step away from being incarcerated. I'd seek doctor, if I were you. You carry to much hatred and too little brain.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 04-23-2022, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

In Russia most people are either indifferent or against Homosexuality. Shows just how much you know.

What I meant was that despite Russia discriminating against Homosexuality, there are still supporters like you there. It means that the pro-LGBT propagandists are doing something right to spread their ideology, even into the Motherland.

I despise the ideology, but I admire their international propaganda machine being so successful. A worthy opponent.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-24-2022, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

I take you don't see a pattern in that all listed countries / regions are mostly backwards totalitarian shitholes? And in them LGB rights are not even the main issue, but general freedoms you take for granted.
And in case those religious groups won, they will strip YOUR rights as well. But something tells me you don't think about it, as any ignorant buffoon, who thinks that in case of revolution, he somehow will be on top.

Exactly. "More and more ass-backwards sh*tholes where nobody would ever live unless they were born there and therefore stuck are embracing extremist views as a way to keep people distracted from how sh*tty their lives are." Shocking! This is something to celebrate?

Not at all.

And it also just goes to show you, the only places where people still cling to religion and fervently believe in God, are places where the general population is so goddamn ignorant - or in some cases, not even "ignorant", but full-blown stupid - that they think things like air conditioning, plumbing and toilet paper are a novelty or a luxury.

Seriously, go to ANY place in the world where people are dirt-poor, painfully uneducated, and stuck centuries in the past, and sure enough, you'll find a large and passionate religious cult, sometimes in the millions. And that should really say it all. It's nothing to be proud of. "I believe in God and I follow His word" is just a self-righteous way of outing oneself as an unrepentant moron. "I'm one of the REALLY dumb people!" Don't say that sh*t out loud and expect anyone to take anything you say seriously.

As I said, bigots should at least be brave enough to own their sh*t. Just Be Honest. "I hate gay people because the thought of it is gross to me. I hate anyone of a different ethnicity because I just plain do. I hate women because they aggravate me and I feel superior to them as a man." And so on. Just admit to being intolerant instead of hiding behind fairy-tales and make-believe. "I feel like this because God said so" is f*cking ridiculous. There IS NO GOD. I can't stress this enough. So citing what some book of fables said to think, once again only proves a person is supremely ignorant.

There's just no way I can be nice about it. I can almost respect people who have faith since I know that life is generally hopeless without it and some people are desperate to keep going, and some people who believe are actually nice people - although it's always in SPITE of their faith, never BECAUSE of it. What I can't respect are people who in turn use their "faith" to espouse bigotry, because those people are cowards.

Might as well say "I hate gay people because Mother Goose said so." It's the same goddamn thing.

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Just know that my side is hard at work, and we will be the victors who take control of the world and write history one day.

Again, that's not going to happen. Because as mentioned, only the SUPER dumb people are religious zealots and everyone knows they're super dumb. And when "Kill everyone who disagrees with you" is a fundamental tenet of one's belief structure, you're not going to win over many friends outside of your bubble. "Your side" couldn't "take control" of a damn bowl of Jell-O. Not without torturing it into agreeing with you, first.

People are more enlightened now. Once people discover electricity and indoor plumbing, it's VERY hard to go back to embracing "The God Delusion". When people discover what it feels like to stand up, they generally refuse to go back to living on one's knees. As it should be.

As Sumac alluded to, one should take note that the places that share your most fanatical beliefs are places where nobody would be caught dead if they could help it. That's not a good endorsement. Everybody else knows better.

I kept hoping you'd at least be brave enough to just say you have a personal distaste for homosexuals. I wouldn't like it but I'd respect the honesty. Instead, you doubled- and tripled-down on the religious stuff. Very disappointing. Grown adults are supposed to know better, it isn't the Dark Ages anymore. At least not on this side of the globe.

I'll continue to wish for you to one day find true enlightenment.

The bad part is, "finding true enlightenment" typically involves enough bad sh*t happening that a person finally accepts that there simply is no God, or that if there is, they don't care about you.

But it's worth it in the end, you're just gonna have to take my word on that. If nothing else, you won't feel like a dummy when you die and find out there's Nothing There. I can't imagine how that feels to people who wasted their entire lives clinging to some book of fairy tales, and worse, chose to mold every belief they ever had based on said fairy tales. Talk about being a mark.

I imagine when people finally realize there's no God, right before they die, it's kinda like catching the Mall Santa smoking crack in the parking lot, but exponentially worse.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 04-24-2022, 12:38 AM

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If nothing else, you won't feel like a dummy when you die and find out there's Nothing There.

I understood what you meant by the rest of your post, but not this part. Generally, don't Atheists reject any sort of God, supernatural existence of the soul, and afterlife whatsoever?

If so, how will atheists know that nothing was there after dying, if the dead person and their consciousness doesn't exist anymore?

Other than that, all I can say in response to the rest of your post is: Thank you for wishing me well, but I am still not convinced by your arguments at all, and you saying that my side will get nothing done only motivates me further. Challenge accepted with utmost indignation.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-24-2022, 01:12 AM

I obviously wouldn't know, but I assume there's some kind of split-second moment of clarity right before the end where you realize that "light at the end of the tunnel" is just your synapses misfiring, and that you really are headed for oblivion. But you probably only have less than a second to notice or comprehend it.

Again, we'll probably never know for sure since once you're dead it's too late to let anyone know what you "discover" just before the lights go out. I'm just reasonably certain there's no afterlife, and I wish there was a way to prove that conclusively so people could be freed of their fanatical delusions. "Faith" cripples people and it stunts humanity's progress. There's simply no room for it in the modern world. It literally keeps people thinking and behaving like it's still the Dark Ages, and that simply is not acceptable.

It's as I said... go anywhere in the world where most people are poor, sick, crippled, ignorant, and living in filth, and there, you'll find Religion and people of Devout Faith. Conversely, go anywhere in the world where people actually live like human beings, and you'll notice they accept that there's (probably) no God. It seems pretty cut-and-dry. It's an opiate for the poor, the foolish, and the weak, a way for them to ascribe some meaning to a life that's devoid of it, because they can't accept that life is ultimately meaningless at best, hopeless at worst.

And I always stop short of labeling myself an "atheist" outright, since for one thing, I don't like labels in general, and secondly, for as certain as I am I don't actually "know" there's no God, it's still just a highly educated guess. There's always the possibility. If there is, I wouldn't be shocked if it was, like, Azathoth or Cthulhu or something. Some unfeeling, uncaring Lovecraftian monstrosity. That would make a ton of sense.

What I am quite certain of, however, is that the mythical "merciful God" in the fairy tale books absolutely isn't real. Can I prove it? No. There's no "proof", just an overwhelming mountain of evidence, enough that were it a court case the judge would be forced to rule against his existence. For example, every day a million babies are born only to die of starvation within minutes. They were born only to suffer and die in agony, and never had any choice or chance of life. No God with any mercy or the power to change that would allow such things to happen. So if there is a God, he's clearly a real asshole and not worthy of worship or praise.

So no, I don't know there's NO God. I just know the guy people drop to their knees and pray to is at best more like the Wizard of Oz, an impotent sham, and at worst, he actively hates us all. There's a LOT of evidence of that. But there is NO evidence whatsoever that there's any sort of God who loves us and wants what's best for us. That's delusion. To believe it, a person has to actively ignore every single thing going on in the world at any given time.

If he's real, we are not and never will be friends, and I am definitely not on his side. I'd honestly rather get my hands around his neck.

BUT, he's not real, most likely, so it's moot.

But that's why I can't abide people who cite "their faith" as a foundation of their general beliefs. Even if he were real, he wouldn't be worthy of worship because he either forces or allows untold amounts of needless suffering in the world, despite allegedly having the power to grant mercy. Yet he never does.

So if a person says with full sincerity, "I believe _______ because God says so".... they're either delusional OR just plain A Bad Person, there really is no middle ground to it.

04-23-2022, 06:28 AM	#147
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,590	The biggest point in all of this, to me, is that the largest proponents of all of this "needs to be in schools or naziism!"... these people aren't even parents. You're a gay parent? Cool. You get a vote. Everyone who is hanging out on the sidelines with, permanently single or asexual or something? Yeah. You should get no vote. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

04-23-2022, 04:12 AM	#142
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	The more ** goes the more all those LGBBBQ+folks are losing my respect. They got everything they wanted. But now they want more and more. Ultimate outcome of this behavior - they will be slapped over their collective bluehaired dumb** heads and go back to pound sand and more and more people will hate them. Basically their effort will lead to resurgence of Homophobia and intolerance, just what could have been observed after BLM thugs riots. Power indeed corrupts. And, of course, any freakshow, whatever they think they are, which wants to talk with little kids about sexuality and sex and sexual reassignment, can rot in the deepest pile of trash. It is not even a question, whether they are pedo or not. Only mentally ill freak would want to do that.

04-23-2022, 04:39 AM	#144
FredWolfLeonardo This ***** used to be Fun Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Woke paradise Posts: 5,394	I hope all of this results in Homosexuality being outlawed in all forms once more.

04-23-2022, 05:53 AM	#146
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Yeah, I think it's pretty weird to have a problem with gay people in this day and age. That comes off as pretty Amish. There's nothing inherently wrong with it; in theory, if everyone were gay the human race would go extinct, sure, but that's not in any realistic danger of happening. If someone thinks it's "gross" they can just not pay attention to it. The next time one of my gay friends asks me to come over and watch them do their gay business will be the Very First Time that happens. I dare say MOST of them don't make a scene, most of them don't hurt anybody, most of them you'd never even know they were gay until you asked. The ones who march and picket aren't the majority, they're just loud. At least, that's my experience. I don't understand "actual" homophobia. Legit. I've fcked girls in the ass; it feels good. I've never fcked a guy in the ass but one would assume the sensation wouldn't be all that different on the "pitching" side. As for the receiving end, I've had people tell me it feels amazing and also people who say it does not but they go along with it for reasons. So who knows. Just saying, it's probably fun in general, so if everyone is a consenting adult, go nuts. I don't have to be gay to understand the general mechanics or why that would appeal to some people. I do at least superficially respect the people who say, "I just think it's gross", because at least they're honest. What I find, though, is that anecdotally, most of them are okay with the idea of guy-on-girl buttsex, but guy-on-guy buttsex is a bridge too far, for them. Which gets me back to, "Well, if nobody's making you watch, who even cares?" But I can respect honesty, at the very least. So I respect the people who will say, "I just don't like it because it makes me feel icky just thinking about it" (although my advice to those people would be, "Just don't think about it, then, ya goof"). What I don't respect are people who hide behind "God" and use that to support their position. I don't respect that about anything, frankly, because without being an edgelord I do think God and Santa have a ton in common so what either of them has to say on any subject probably shouldn't matter very much at all. MOST people who say, "I am against homosexuality because it's against God's will" can't even quote a Bible verse, and that's a fact. Some can, most can't. What they're doing is passing the buck so they don't have to own their opinion on the subject. "It ain't ME, bruh! It's just, y'know... GOD says it's wrong, so I'm outvoted." Spare me. God could care less, if he were real, about where people stick their junk. The whole planet's on fire, if he cares about Gay People that much then his priorities are terrible. "Thankfully"... he probably isn't real. If only we knew that for sure, then these people would actually have to come right out and admit, "I just personally think it's gross." Which is still silly. But at least it's honest. I've heard some people cite some cockamamie nonsense about how "It's wrong because the only acceptable form of sex is for making babies," but holy sht, if we're still teaching people THAT in any part of the world in 2022 then we're in more trouble than we thought. For one thing, baby-making is probably only 1% of the reason anybody ever has sex to begin with, but for another thing... having kids is incredibly irresponsible in this day and age and so I side-eye the hell out of anyone who does so on purpose. I have a much* bigger problem with people who purposely have kids than I do with gay people, just putting it out there. The latter does no harm to anyone, the former throws millions more unwitting lost souls into the human zoo where they're ensured to do naught but toil endlessly for slave wages until they croak. Most people are fcking miserable, depression and suicide are skyrocketing, but oh, sure, let's just all keep breeding, I'm sure it'll turn around if we just keep at it. Madness. Lunacy, even. I'unno, man. I can't see any validity in homophobia in this day and age. Other than, SOME of them can be very annoying and overbearing with how ostentatious they are and their need to make their sexual identity their entire center of being. But that's not most of them. I know I've been ACCUSED of being homophobic plenty of times on this very forum by various ignorant people, but I can assure you I am in fact one of the most* tolerant people here when it comes to stuff like that. I simply resent anyone who makes an unwarranted spectacle of themselves while simultaneously claiming they hate attention or just want to be left alone, because it's disingenuous. But like Andrew said, what's a bridge too far for me is that they want to make Gay and Trans Education part of the state-funded curriculum for very young children. Which is literally the textbook definition of "indoctrination", aka, "The Thing They SWEAR They Are Not Interested In Doing." And yes, I think "regular" Sex Ed should automatically be out of bounds for kids that young, too. It shouldn't even be a conversation. I am not nor ever will be a parent, but if I was, and I paid taxes into the school system, and my kid can barely read or do basic math BUT you wanna take an hour out of every day to teach them about boys in dresses or hormone therapy... you better believe I'd want to raise hell because it demonstrates a complete lack of priority, and also sanity, on the part of the school system. These things shouldn't be between anyone but the kid and their parents, at that age. The parents hate gay people? Unfortunate, but the truth is, those kids will find no shortage of "acceptance" outside of the home as they get older, and then when they're 18 they can move out and do whatever they want. That's how it has always worked. No, ideally, it should not "have" to be that way, but you will never, ever, EVER "reeducate" a father to completely accept that their son is gay, it just isn't going to happen because some things are hardwired. So on some level, you just have to accept a level of "go along to get along" until you're of age and on your own, at which point you can do whatever you want. Which sounds a lot like "Just stay in the closet until you're out of school," I admit, and yeah, that's a bummer that some people have no choice but to do that, but... I got news for them, there's a LOT of stuff kids can't talk to their parents about without catching hell, not just sexuality. If your Dad played football, try telling them you'd rather paint. If your Mom loves the piano, try telling her you don't like music. And so on and so forth. Kids inevitably have to keep some things about themselves "in the closet" until they're on their own, if they don't want to be hassled; that's just life. If they choose to "come out" and they know that their own parents are intolerant, well... I'd say that they did a poor job in picking their battles. Sounds harsh, but then so is Reality. But again, the crux of the issue at hand is, "Is it acceptable for gay/trans stuff to be part of taxpayer-funded curriculum for children aged 5 through 8 years old?" The only answer should be, "Of course not, you fcking weirdo. They can get that in 6th Grade with the rest of the Sex Ed stuff." By then, it's a lot more likely to be an issue that actually affects them in any significant way. Which, let's be honest, it realistically will not* be at Age 5.

04-23-2022, 06:55 AM	#148
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Even that might be conditional, in my opinion. I've seen some gay parents online - who I would hope were just being cheeky - claim that they'd "Never want a straight child", would be "so disappointed" if their kid turned out straight, and were "subtly encouraging them" from a very young age that "it's better to be gay". On one hand, sure, all of that is basically the inverse of how a lot of straight parents are when raising their kids and teaching them that "Straight Is The Default" whether overtly or implicitly. So in theory, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, I guess. But at the same time, if those people are serious then they're exactly the same as the people they rail against. I think they're mostly-kidding but sometimes it's hard to tell. If you honestly don't care or mind that your kid might be gay, and your main priority is simply to raise them to be a good and well-adjusted human being, that's awesome, you get a vote. If you're a person who claims "I'd be so disappointed if my kid were straight and so I'm doing my best to ensure that doesn't happen"... not only are you just as bad as the so-called bigots, but your skewed priorities mean that I'm not really comfortable with you having much input into things. But yeah, a lot of the ones making the most noise? Not even parents, that's true. They're simply gay people who find oppression everywhere they turn and thus see fit to "fight back". As if some other 5 year old kid learning that it's okay to suck a cck will give this other gay person their childhood back because THEY were teased as a kid, that's what a lot of it comes down to if you let them talk for long enough. "If only there was this kind of thing when I* was a kid, my whole life would be different now!" Eh. Maybe in theory; in reality, you probably had other priorities at that age, like remembering not to sht your pants or get caught eating your boogers. And the whole "Kids Will Die" hyperbole, from the advocates and the politicians. Like, what? Is there some unspoken mass surge in kids aged 5-though-8 killing themselves en masse because nobody talked to them about gay or trans issues? I am 99.9% sure that does not happen, has not happened, and most likely will not happen. I've read over the years about some teenagers* committing suicide because they were gay and felt unaccepted and bullied and belittled by their peers... but again, that's teenagers. The bill in Florida, the one where people hyperbolically claim "kids will die" over it, explicitly deals with Grades K through 3. To my knowledge, there are no dead gay kids that young. If it happens twice per year among kids in that age bracket, I'll be shocked it's even that many. Pretty sure it's closer to 0, though. But again... Liberals and Facts don't really get along all that well. The former trades in hyperbole and fear-mongering as a matter of course and the latter has no time for it.

04-23-2022, 07:55 AM	#150
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	For one thing, I absolutely refuse to give up lesbians. No f*cking WAY, pal. I can kinda understand being icked about guys doing butt stuff but if seeing a couple hot chicks bang beavers together doesn't make you smile then I'm pretty sure you're dead inside.

04-23-2022, 09:34 AM	#152
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I mean, it was a harsh reply. But at the same time, if a person in 2022 says out loud "I wish there were no more gay people"... you can't really be shocked if that's the reply you get. Self-awareness is a virtue, and all'a that. It's very clear by now that you don't like or approve of gay people, and I'm sure that to you the reasons for that make sense. But surely you have to know that that's not a majority opinion anymore. In fact, in some places, it can get you punched in the face and nobody would bat an eye or raise a hand in your defense. They'd just say, "Well, that's what he gets." He definitely could've made a kinder reply, but c'mon... you knew SOMEone was gonna go there. It wasn't a statement all that far removed from "I wish black people would know their place and go back to the rear of the bus." Even if you mean it, most people don't agree and they're not gonna be nice in saying so. That's just the way it is.

04-23-2022, 05:35 PM	#155
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,896	I have no issues with homosexuals, and lesbians (at least the hot ones) are always good. As said above, most of the time I didn't even know someone was gay until they said anything. One guy at my job has been there since 2019, and he was just a normal guy so I never thought anything. One day he said, "I enjoy watching this movie with my husband," out of the blue to the people at my job and I was surprised. Nobody said anything, because the guy never gave off any gay vibes at all so everyone assumed he was straight. And after that everyone treated him the same as always since he's a nice guy and gets along with everyone. In the real world I obviously don't care who random people love as long as it's of legal age...so what does it matter to me? It feels like 30+ years ago people would make a big deal out of a black man dating a white woman, now nobody cares.

04-24-2022, 01:12 AM	#160
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I obviously wouldn't know, but I assume there's some kind of split-second moment of clarity right before the end where you realize that "light at the end of the tunnel" is just your synapses misfiring, and that you really are headed for oblivion. But you probably only have less than a second to notice or comprehend it. Again, we'll probably never know for sure since once you're dead it's too late to let anyone know what you "discover" just before the lights go out. I'm just reasonably certain there's no afterlife, and I wish there was a way to prove that conclusively so people could be freed of their fanatical delusions. "Faith" cripples people and it stunts humanity's progress. There's simply no room for it in the modern world. It literally keeps people thinking and behaving like it's still the Dark Ages, and that simply is not acceptable. It's as I said... go anywhere in the world where most people are poor, sick, crippled, ignorant, and living in filth, and there, you'll find Religion and people of Devout Faith. Conversely, go anywhere in the world where people actually live like human beings, and you'll notice they accept that there's (probably) no God. It seems pretty cut-and-dry. It's an opiate for the poor, the foolish, and the weak, a way for them to ascribe some meaning to a life that's devoid of it, because they can't accept that life is ultimately meaningless at best, hopeless at worst. And I always stop short of labeling myself an "atheist" outright, since for one thing, I don't like labels in general, and secondly, for as certain as I am I don't actually "know" there's no God, it's still just a highly educated guess. There's always the possibility. If there is, I wouldn't be shocked if it was, like, Azathoth or Cthulhu or something. Some unfeeling, uncaring Lovecraftian monstrosity. That would make a ton of sense. What I am quite certain of, however, is that the mythical "merciful God" in the fairy tale books absolutely isn't real. Can I prove it? No. There's no "proof", just an overwhelming mountain of evidence, enough that were it a court case the judge would be forced to rule against his existence. For example, every day a million babies are born only to die of starvation within minutes. They were born only to suffer and die in agony, and never had any choice or chance of life. No God with any mercy or the power to change that would allow such things to happen. So if there is a God, he's clearly a real asshole and not worthy of worship or praise. So no, I don't know there's NO God. I just know the guy people drop to their knees and pray to is at best more like the Wizard of Oz, an impotent sham, and at worst, he actively hates us all. There's a LOT of evidence of that. But there is NO evidence whatsoever that there's any sort of God who loves us and wants what's best for us. That's delusion. To believe it, a person has to actively ignore every single thing going on in the world at any given time. If he's real, we are not and never will be friends, and I am definitely not on his side. I'd honestly rather get my hands around his neck. BUT, he's not real, most likely, so it's moot. But that's why I can't abide people who cite "their faith" as a foundation of their general beliefs. Even if he were real, he wouldn't be worthy of worship because he either forces or allows untold amounts of needless suffering in the world, despite allegedly having the power to grant mercy. Yet he never does. So if a person says with full sincerity, "I believe _______ because God says so".... they're either delusional OR just plain A Bad Person, there really is no middle ground to it.