DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Zod is in The Flash? He's probably the version of Zod that became Superman instead of Kal-El

Sounds like his main function in it is to kill baby Kal-El.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Sounds like his main function in it is to kill baby Kal-El.

yes in one of the plot leaks he does just that so they than put the codex into Supergirl and send her to earth instead

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

yes in one of the plot leaks he does just that so they than put the codex into Supergirl and send her to earth instead

Oh, yay, so the rumors that they plan to have Supergirl and Batgirl 'lead' the DCEU are likely true.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by superstaff

Oh, yay, so the rumors that they plan to have Supergirl and Batgirl 'lead' the DCEU are likely true.

There's still the off chance Discovery puts the kibosh on that while they can. It would screw up their bigger plans for Superman and Batman if they really have any.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There's still the off chance Discovery puts the kibosh on that while they can. It would screw up their bigger plans for Superman and Batman if they really have any.

Why do people cling to this "Discovery is going to 'save' the DCEU" thread? There's even a new rumor that they might want Ta-Nehisi Coates's "Black Superman" script to be tweaked so that it would allow Cavill to play the role again "if he wants to" (except it would be a completely different Superman than the one he's already played, supposedly a 1940s-inspired version that barely has any super-powers).

For one thing, they've barely had any time to get involved with any DC movie decisions at all. Maybe they have notes and memos, but it's way too late to change anything that's already in active development or near-completion. The Flash movie is already way overdue and they've spent a fortune "fixing" it a few times already. It promises to be a complete mess and will most likely be terrible as a movie, but people will come out to see Keaton and might even give the movie a pass for nostalgia-wank alone. But they're NOT going to scrap things this late in the game to do MORE reshoots to significantly change the plot and purpose of a movie that's essentially "finished", it would cost them a fortune on a movie that's already turning out to be a huge embarrassment before it even opens.

For another thing, we're about three years away from "needing" to replace the entire DCEU cast anyway for being too old to convincingly or reasonably keep going, and that includes Gadot and Mamoa. The next time we see them play either character in their solo sequels will be the last time we see either of them play said character. You know WB would have liked to have done more with either of them, but in typical WB fashion, they waited too long for not knowing what the f*ck they were doing, and now it's too late to do anything except let them wrap up and bow out. People always thought Affleck was too old to begin with, and he'd be nearly ten years older than That by the time any new project with him as Batman would see the light of day (which realistically wouldn't/couldn't be any sooner than 2024). Cavill's been unfailingly polite throughout this entire ordeal but personally and professionally he's moved on to other projects. It will have been over a decade since MoS by the time he could conceivably play Superman again, and people would point that out should it happen, which would be no small embarrassment for WB since they've done so little with him in that time. They don't want to deal with that. Gadot lost almost ALL of her "Wonder Woman" goodwill with the terrible sequel, and now people are no longer demanding that she "have" to keep the role just because they liked the first movie, so keeping her around while they reboot the rest of the main cast would just be awkward. Miller is obviously out the door after this movie, which is one of the reasons the whole thing is such a joke at this point; they've spent a fortune on a movie they now by all rights shouldn't even release thanks to Ezra being an idiot, but they "have" to for Sunk Cost reasons.

That leaves Mamoa's Aquaman as the sole remaining character who won't be visibly too old to play their part and still has significant goodwill from audiences and critics. But again, what are the odds they keep him while scrapping and replacing everyone else? Slim-to-none, so he'll be gone after his sequel, too, most likely written out in favor of his younger, blacker successor from the comics. Although he'll probably get a better send-off than everyone else, who simply won't be reappearing at all while it's hastily explained-away via exposition in the Flash and other projects.

It's just Done. Unless the Discovery execs have access to a time machine, it's too late for them to step in and "fix" anything. The fact that WB spent hundreds of millions of dollars to spitefully "Wipe out" everything Snyder established, and NOW they're going to have to sh*tcan the STAR of said movie no matter how it's received by audiences, leaves everything in an even worse position than they were in even two months ago. It's completely unsalvageable, now.

It's no secret I was a fan of most of what they'd established from the beginning and that I always saw the potential for what the DCEU could be, WAY more than almost anyone did, and I've been an outspoken supporter of Cavill's Superman and Affleck's Batman since the beginning. But it's just Over, guys. I'd love it if there really was some Grand Plan among Discovery execs to un-f*ck everything. But there's not, and if there is, it's still too late to enact it, for multiple reasons.

The Flash movie is the funeral for the DCEU and that iteration of the Justice League. That's it, that's all. Maybe they'll go back on WB's decree of last year and have Snyder come in to write a comic book about what Justice League II and III would have been, which was something that was on the table until WB said no when they didn't like the streaming numbers for ZSJL. But that's the most anyone can or should hope for. And that's honestly Nothing of substance.

In a way, Zod killing baby Kal-El in the Flash movie is an apt metaphor for the entire situation, because it symbolizes WB "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" in their handling of the DCEU. But, that's the situation they created through their poor planning and indecision, and that's what we're left with.

I'm over it. But it is what it is. The "new bosses" aren't going to "save" the DCEU and they wouldn't be able to even if that was a major priority.

Instead, we're going to get a clusterf*ck of a movie that nobody even wants except they "need" to see Grandpa Batman to satisfy their inner 6-year old, and one they'd cancel and bury outright if not for that and the fact they spent too much filming it to cancel it. Then 5 years or so of disconnected "Elseworlds" movies to kill time, then in 2028 they'll start planting seeds for the next hard-rebooted "DCEU" with a younger cast.

I don't like it either, but that's what's happening. All this talk about "Discovery MIGHT swoop in and at least save Cavill and Affleck! We don't know!" is silly, and it's honestly getting a little annoying. NOBODY would be happier than me if that somehow came to pass, but it's NOT. It's just not, guys.

It's not.

[Sumac]

The final merger just had happened - I don't think they can change anything at this point, aside form banning release of the movie all together.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

The final merger just had happened - I don't think they can change anything at this point, aside form banning release of the movie all together.

Absolutely they can. The same way Marvel Studios/Disney came in at the last minute and suddenly there were no Skrulls in X-Men: Dark Phoenix and you've got Jessica Chastain giving interviews bewildered about who she was playing and how it all mysteriously changed.

The only question, I think, is what the new Discovery bosses actually want. They've dropped clues about DC strengths not being utilized. We know that almost all DC movies were suddenly delayed many months out of nowhere when the ink was nearly dry with Discovery.

And I don't think ages will matter much, depending on Discovery's way of thinking. If their approach to the DCEU is as an evergreen thing, not with swapping out characters like the MCU but just recasting... if they can just get a movie or two more out of the principals like Cavill and Gadot and such, it doesn't make any difference. No reboots, just everything marches on with new actors and actresses.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Why do people cling to this "Discovery is going to 'save' the DCEU" thread? There's even a new rumor that they might want Ta-Nehisi Coates's "Black Superman" script to be tweaked so that it would allow Cavill to play the role again "if he wants to" (except it would be a completely different Superman than the one he's already played, supposedly a 1940s-inspired version that barely has any super-powers).

For one thing, they've barely had any time to get involved with any DC movie decisions at all. Maybe they have notes and memos, but it's way too late to change anything that's already in active development or near-completion. The Flash movie is already way overdue and they've spent a fortune "fixing" it a few times already. It promises to be a complete mess and will most likely be terrible as a movie, but people will come out to see Keaton and might even give the movie a pass for nostalgia-wank alone. But they're NOT going to scrap things this late in the game to do MORE reshoots to significantly change the plot and purpose of a movie that's essentially "finished", it would cost them a fortune on a movie that's already turning out to be a huge embarrassment before it even opens.

For another thing, we're about three years away from "needing" to replace the entire DCEU cast anyway for being too old to convincingly or reasonably keep going, and that includes Gadot and Mamoa. The next time we see them play either character in their solo sequels will be the last time we see either of them play said character. You know WB would have liked to have done more with either of them, but in typical WB fashion, they waited too long for not knowing what the f*ck they were doing, and now it's too late to do anything except let them wrap up and bow out. People always thought Affleck was too old to begin with, and he'd be nearly ten years older than That by the time any new project with him as Batman would see the light of day (which realistically wouldn't/couldn't be any sooner than 2024). Cavill's been unfailingly polite throughout this entire ordeal but personally and professionally he's moved on to other projects. It will have been over a decade since MoS by the time he could conceivably play Superman again, and people would point that out should it happen, which would be no small embarrassment for WB since they've done so little with him in that time. They don't want to deal with that. Gadot lost almost ALL of her "Wonder Woman" goodwill with the terrible sequel, and now people are no longer demanding that she "have" to keep the role just because they liked the first movie, so keeping her around while they reboot the rest of the main cast would just be awkward. Miller is obviously out the door after this movie, which is one of the reasons the whole thing is such a joke at this point; they've spent a fortune on a movie they now by all rights shouldn't even release thanks to Ezra being an idiot, but they "have" to for Sunk Cost reasons.

That leaves Mamoa's Aquaman as the sole remaining character who won't be visibly too old to play their part and still has significant goodwill from audiences and critics. But again, what are the odds they keep him while scrapping and replacing everyone else? Slim-to-none, so he'll be gone after his sequel, too, most likely written out in favor of his younger, blacker successor from the comics. Although he'll probably get a better send-off than everyone else, who simply won't be reappearing at all while it's hastily explained-away via exposition in the Flash and other projects.

It's just Done. Unless the Discovery execs have access to a time machine, it's too late for them to step in and "fix" anything. The fact that WB spent hundreds of millions of dollars to spitefully "Wipe out" everything Snyder established, and NOW they're going to have to sh*tcan the STAR of said movie no matter how it's received by audiences, leaves everything in an even worse position than they were in even two months ago. It's completely unsalvageable, now.

It's no secret I was a fan of most of what they'd established from the beginning and that I always saw the potential for what the DCEU could be, WAY more than almost anyone did, and I've been an outspoken supporter of Cavill's Superman and Affleck's Batman since the beginning. But it's just Over, guys. I'd love it if there really was some Grand Plan among Discovery execs to un-f*ck everything. But there's not, and if there is, it's still too late to enact it, for multiple reasons.

The Flash movie is the funeral for the DCEU and that iteration of the Justice League. That's it, that's all. Maybe they'll go back on WB's decree of last year and have Snyder come in to write a comic book about what Justice League II and III would have been, which was something that was on the table until WB said no when they didn't like the streaming numbers for ZSJL. But that's the most anyone can or should hope for. And that's honestly Nothing of substance.

In a way, Zod killing baby Kal-El in the Flash movie is an apt metaphor for the entire situation, because it symbolizes WB "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" in their handling of the DCEU. But, that's the situation they created through their poor planning and indecision, and that's what we're left with.

I'm over it. But it is what it is. The "new bosses" aren't going to "save" the DCEU and they wouldn't be able to even if that was a major priority.

Instead, we're going to get a clusterf*ck of a movie that nobody even wants except they "need" to see Grandpa Batman to satisfy their inner 6-year old, and one they'd cancel and bury outright if not for that and the fact they spent too much filming it to cancel it. Then 5 years or so of disconnected "Elseworlds" movies to kill time, then in 2028 they'll start planting seeds for the next hard-rebooted "DCEU" with a younger cast.

I don't like it either, but that's what's happening. All this talk about "Discovery MIGHT swoop in and at least save Cavill and Affleck! We don't know!" is silly, and it's honestly getting a little annoying. NOBODY would be happier than me if that somehow came to pass, but it's NOT. It's just not, guys.

It's not.

I'm just going to quote your entire post because you basically took every single word out of my mouth when it comes to the mess that is the DCEU and Flashpoint. Thanks, Leo, you rock. And you're also right about everything here.

I feel like comic nerds get really high on copium and hopium, and delude themselves into thinking 'X is going to save Y, and Y will be a perfect masterpiece because of X'. I've seen it before, and 9.5 out of 10, X doesn't do squat to save or improve Y. I remember Justice League, and how people said Whedon would save the movie (or, on the flip side, said Whedon would barely do anything, and that Snyder's vision would be preserved). Further back, I remember people saying Affleck's presence in Batman v Superman would save the DCEU and Man of Steel 2. Yeah. We all know how those turned out.

[Leo656]

I mean, I know mine is a vast minority opinion but MoS and BvS aren't just two of my favorite comic book movies, they're two of my favorite movies period. For once, I'm hoping I can say this out loud without someone telling me I hate Superman and Batman or that I shouldn't be allowed to talk about movies or that I must have never read a comic book. I've mentioned this, but I in fact own about 26 longboxes full of comics, and fully half of those are Superman and Batman. I just have very specific tastes and those tastes were well-met by those movies (and ZSJL, but that came later, after The Troubles). It's a Snob Thing to say but those movies are greatly helped by recognizing which specific issues were pulled from for reference (there's tons). I know it means sh*t to most people but it means a lot to me. They (along with Wonder Woman) were pretty much exactly what I always wanted to see.

But I'm one guy and people generally were less impressed, and they couldn't care less about the genuine craft that went into them and that's their prerogative, I don't like it but it's a for-profit business. People wanted more jokes and bright colors and they didn't get it, so it's whatever. They were obviously never going to make Marvel Money by putting everything in the hands of a guy who ONLY makes "Love It or Hate It" movies as a career model, even as a huge fan of his style I'll forever question how they decided That Guy was THE Guy if they were so demanding of billion-dollar box office grosses. Shouldn't he have made, like... ONE billion-seller, first, in his entire career, before being set upon that task? They could just as well have hired David Lynch. Same difference (and BOY would THOSE have been some weird f*cking movies ).

Since it's all about money and not about pleasing a niche audience of "hardcores/purists/people who can pull the name of Krypton's shattered Moon out of thin air (It's "Wegthor", for the record)", it makes no sense to me that JUST because ZSJL did not get a RT score of 17% as everyone expected it to, that suddenly, everyone in the general audience is going to do a 180 on the DCEU and love some of it enough to bring it back. MOST people want ALL of it gone. I do not like that, but I understand that is in fact the situation and I don't delude myself otherwise, as so many people seem to be doing right now.

WB wasn't going to suddenly erase the 5+ years of time and money spent trying to convince everyone the Whedon Cut was the right decision just because the RT score for BvS went up three points when ZSJL came out. And most likely, Discovery won't be inclined to be any different. With any merger, the companies involved become highly risk-averse as they look to trim fat and stop any needless bleeding of money on risky ventures. Well, there would be no "riskier venture" than trying to preserve a version of the DCEU that most people already puked on once.

It's just not going to happen. Mostly because, I would like to see them try it, and if I want something, I don't get it as a rule.

[Leo656]

Some shots of the Flash and Supergirl costumes from the movie, which are on display at the Licensing Expo in Las Vegas. Noteworthy because it's the first full look at either, and the first time anyone's shown the Supergirl costume with the cape on it; the leaked set photos from last year didn't show the cape since the scene it was from will be adding it via CGI for the final shot.
https://www.supermanhomepage.com/a-c...e-flash-movie/



Flash suit looks pretty good, although I don't see why the lightning bolt wristbands couldn't wrap all the way around, and why the "belt" is so far apart in the front; its supposed to touch points in the middle. And I have no idea what's going on with those boots. I hate when things get so close to being "perfect" but then purposely make something look worse just because "we want to be different". If you're 9/10s perfect, just go the last little bit and make it perfect. Jesus. They overthink the hell out of this sh*t.

That Supergirl costume is TERRIBLE, though. Just a big blob of blue with a red cape. SO boring. Not even red boots? Or a belt? SOME damn thing to make it look less like footsie pajamas? I get that women aren't allowed to wear skirts or show bare legs anymore, as stupid as that is, but for f*ck's sake, it needs something to break up all that blue. The red on the shoulders is a nice throwback to the 80s costume, but the rest of it looks like sh*t. No style at all.
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As if we needed other reasons to be annoyed about this new Supergirl, past the ugly costume and the fact that - "Spoilers", I guess? The cat's been out of the bag for months - that she gets to exist because Zod murders baby Kal-El and thus erases Henry Cavill's Superman from existence , here's a cringey interview quote about why it's so important to her to play Supergirl.

As you might guess, it has nothing to do at all with the Supergirl character, and everything to do with identity politics. Literally the first word out of her mouth starts with R and ends with "epresentation". Sigh.

https://www.supermanhomepage.com/sas...lay-supergirl/

“Representation in the entertainment industry really matters, and I’m super honored, honestly [to be the first Latina Supergirl]. There was a moment when we were shooting, when Andy [The Flash director Andrés Muschietti] was like, “Hey, come over here and watch this scene on the playback monitor.” And I go over and I see her [Supergirl], and she’s in her full glory. And suddenly, I got really emotional. Because I’m looking at that, and I’m like, “Wow, I wish I would have had this when I was little.” It meant a lot to me. I turned into child Sasha watching this person [on the screen]. So it’s really important. And I’m really happy and really thankful to DC and Warner Brothers for doing this now. It’s so cool that we’re doing this, and, ya know, it’s about time.”

To this, I can only say, she has a dumpy ass and the suit makes her look fat. Look at that picture in the interview article, you can totally see her sucking her gut in and struggling to do so. But none of that matters; we know why she got the job.

Literally the only other thing she ever did was a soap opera. We know how important acting chops are to that kind of thing, so clearly, the ONLY consideration here was "the best actress for the part". And nothing, absolutely nothing else.

OH, and rumors say that this Supergirl will also be either gay or bisexual. Because that deserves to be a plot point in a Flash movie.

Is it too soon to say, "I don't care about Keaton's 100-year old Batman and I hate everything about this?" Because I really want to say that without anyone giving me sh*t for not having seen the movie yet. Like how much more do you NEED? Everything just reeks of "Ugh".

...Except the mostly-good Flash costume. Which nobody will bother paying attention to because all they care about is seeing Grandpa Batman.

In a Flash movie.

I f*cking hate Warner Bros.

[Andrew NDB]

Her suit is even more nonsensical than Cavill's. How do you hide that under your day to day clothes? It's showy just to be showy. If it fails the payphone change test then it is a FAIL.

[Leo656]

To be fair, there's no guarantee this Supergirl even has a secret identity.

When the comics reintroduced Kara Zor-El back in 2004-ish, they made it a point of her character to question why she or Clark would need to "hide" or humble themselves instead of just being "super" all the time. I forget if she ultimately ended up having a secret identity in the comics, but I know very early on she toyed with one and immediately discarded it in favor of just being Supergirl.

Plus movies in general have long been getting away from secret identities because writers think they're hokey and don't want to write for them. Look how many MCU characters are "out", for example. It started with Iron Man because Downey himself felt like it would be "stupid" for Stark to pretend he wasn't Iron Man, and since then it's just a thing they ran with because it's "simpler" than juggling secret identity subplots. I disagree with their take, but it's nonetheless how Hollywood would prefer to handle super-heroes going forward.

So I mean, there's nothing so far that says she even has a secret identity, so I don't even care about "hiding the suit under her civilian garb", I just care that it looks like sh*t. I don't have time for semantics or hypotheticals when what's right in front of me is just a big blue turd with red icing on it.
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As for the "phone booth test", every time someone brings it up I'm reminded of this article which explains how that barely ever happened until it became a meme with Superman: The Movie (specifically, in that instance, because he could NOT use the phone booth), and how despite it becoming a more common trope in 80s and 90s media, it's odd that it became a meme at all by the 1970s because you have to really dig deep to even find any notable instances of it happening. They exist, but not as many as one would think.
https://www.supermanhomepage.com/oth...pic=phonebooth

As the article points out, the gag in the first movie only works because "Everyone knows Superman changes in a phone booth", except... no, actually, most of the time he never does. He's more about rooftops and store rooms, or even back alleys in broad daylight if we're being honest. If you have to dig to find even a dozen examples of something a character supposedly "always does" over 80 years of fiction... in my opinion, it shouldn't be a meme at all.

I know the horse is out of the barn but I'm incredibly pedantic about Superman.

[superstaff]

“Representation in the entertainment industry really matters, and I’m super honored, honestly [to be the first Latina Supergirl]. There was a moment when we were shooting, when Andy [The Flash director Andrés Muschietti] was like, “Hey, come over here and watch this scene on the playback monitor.” And I go over and I see her [Supergirl], and she’s in her full glory. And suddenly, I got really emotional. Because I’m looking at that, and I’m like, “Wow, I wish I would have had this when I was little.” It meant a lot to me. I turned into child Sasha watching this person [on the screen]. So it’s really important. And I’m really happy and really thankful to DC and Warner Brothers for doing this now. It’s so cool that we’re doing this, and, ya know, it’s about time.”

Wow, this gives me so much faith that this will be a fun, quality movie! Jesus, this reeks of something written by her PR team. Of course, many fanboys will eat it up. Yay.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Plus movies in general have long been getting away from secret identities because writers think they're hokey and don't want to write for them. Look how many MCU characters are "out", for example. It started with Iron Man because Downey himself felt like it would be "stupid" for Stark to pretend he wasn't Iron Man, and since then it's just a thing they ran with because it's "simpler" than juggling secret identity subplots. I disagree with their take, but it's nonetheless how Hollywood would prefer to handle super-heroes going forward.

Yep, I even see this creeping into the comics themselves, and I hate it. A hero's secret identity is pretty important to me, and I like seeing them juggle a civilian life and a superhero life. I've said this online before, then I get attacked for being a 'dumbf**k' who just wants Silver Age 'bullsh**'. I think the creatives and fanbase seem to hate fun, drama, creativity, and so on nowadays.

As for the "phone booth test", every time someone brings it up I'm reminded of this article which explains how that barely ever happened until it became a meme with Superman: The Movie (specifically, in that instance, because he could NOT use the phone booth), and how despite it becoming a more common trope in 80s and 90s media, it's odd that it became a meme at all by the 1970s because you have to really dig deep to even find any notable instances of it happening. They exist, but not as many as one would think.
https://www.supermanhomepage.com/oth...pic=phonebooth

As the article points out, the gag in the first movie only works because "Everyone knows Superman changes in a phone booth", except... no, actually, most of the time he never does. He's more about rooftops and store rooms, or even back alleys in broad daylight if we're being honest. If you have to dig to find even a dozen examples of something a character supposedly "always does" over 80 years of fiction... in my opinion, it shouldn't be a meme at all.

This is how you know someone actually reads comics or not. I see a lot of self professed 'hardcore comic fans' claim Superman (who isn't even Clark right now, I believe) jumps into phone booths in 2022. Yet again, when I say "da fuq you talking about", then they lay on the insults, and accusations that I am a 'fake nerd'. Projection much, dudes?

[Leo656]

I'll put my 12 longboxes full of Superman comics, dozen or so collected edition TPBs, various novels, and every non-Smallville or Superman & Lois movie, TV show, and cartoon on DVD worth of Superman lore knowledge against anyone, any day. The only thing I'm NOT balls-deep familiar with in 80 years of lore is the radio show, as that was heavily before my time and I don't think most of the episodes even exist anymore.

And oh Lord, do I get it from people when I talk out loud about my love of MoS and BvS. People who watched one or two Reeve movies and a few episodes of Smallville and see fit to tell ME who Superman is or what Is and Isn't appropriate to the character's portrayal. Tell them Cavill's take on Reporter Clark is less Chris Reeve and more George Reeve, especially Season 1 of Adventures, they don't wanna hear it. Tell them the entire Superman portrayal is almost 1:1 with Byrne/Jurgens Superman, they say you're full of sh*t. Remind them that Year One Superman is always, ALWAYS a cocky, kind of smug, bull-in-a-china-shop rough-houser with a chip on his shoulder and a bit of an existential crisis about what he's actually supposed to be doing with this whole "Superman" gig... they just scream "Wrong, wrong, WRONG!", because it doesn't match up with a movie or cartoon they watched and fell in love with when they were 5.

And Jesus Christ, does that piss me off. Whenever I ask them how many comics they've read, or how many non-Reeve iterations they're intimately familiar with, they just call me a name and change the subject. "Whatever man, I know Superman". Go choke, losers. Don't try and argue Scripture with the goddamn Pope. It only exposes your ignorance.

Some things... I definitely take "too seriously", and am very, VERY "elitist" about. Superman, I am not ashamed to say, is at the top of that list. I've never apologized for it and never will.

People don't want to like a certain portrayal for their own reasons? That's fine. That's allowed. I hate "Smallville", which everyone loves. I think the plots were nonsense, the acting shoddy, and I can't see how anyone could think Cavill's Clark was "too mopey" and yet they can watch Welling whine about "not wanting to be different" for TEN YEARS worth of horrible TV, just because they brought back the Kryptonian Sunstone Crystals and had people from the Reeve movies do cameos. That show was nothing but poorly-acted Nostalgia Wank that went on at least 5 years longer than it should have because the network had nothing to fall back on. You're not supposed to say that; I'm saying it. I'll always say it. I hate that goddamn show. But more for what it did poorly, than anything it "got wrong". It's not so much that they did wrong by the character... it's just a bad show. Remove all Superman connections and just say it's about a character called "The Blur"... it would STILL be a bad show.

But regardless of anyone's preferred take on the character, don't preach or condescend to ME about what's "right" or "wrong" about a portrayal of Superman or so help me GOD I will smack a bitch. Five upside.

And that's really what kills it, for me. Not the fact that people have different opinions, but the fact that they set themselves up as "experts" and try to condescend to people who Actually Are That. "You like those movies? You must HATE Superman, bruh!" Yeah, that's why I've got more Superman merch than hair on my balls. That's why I have the tattoo. Because I hate the f*cking character. Morons.

You can ALWAYS tell who doesn't read comics. And hey, they're not for everyone, that's fine. But again, if you don't know sh*t about sh*t, don't act like Super King Big Nuts and tell other people they're "wrong" when they know more about a topic than you do. This isn't rocket science.

...F*cking internet.

But yes, I do know a thing or two about Superman. Batman, too. But way more Superman. You can't serve two masters, and all that, and I can't be an expert in everything, even though I play one on internet forums.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by superstaff

This is how you know someone actually reads comics or not. I see a lot of self professed 'hardcore comic fans' claim Superman (who isn't even Clark right now, I believe) jumps into phone booths in 2022. Yet again, when I say "da fuq you talking about", then they lay on the insults, and accusations that I am a 'fake nerd'. Projection much, dudes?

Well c'mon. No sh** he's not literally jumping into telephone booths in 2022 but it'd be wherever he can.

[Sumac]

SJW nonsense aside, Supergirl's costume looks horrible. She is supposed to be a superhero and this looks like she in some special forces unit. I am OK with no red panties, but why no red boots, gloves? Something to make it look interesting and colorful?

Or WB still afraid people will claim they are "marvelizing" their characters?

[Leo656]

It's just "We wanna be different". Same reason why Flash's belt and boots are "wrong".

Like, it's 9/10s a perfect Flash costume, the only reason it's not 10/10 is because some numbnuts decided being "different" was better than being "good".

"Different" is not "Good" unless it justifies itself. In this case, with either costume, being "different" makes it WORSE.

I mean, they gave the Supergirl suit the red shoulders like the 80s costume, that means someone somewhere in the costume design department knows their stuff and how the suit "should" look. But from the chest-down it's a train wreck because someone decided it should be, "to be different."

"Well, Supergirl wears a skirt, but skirts objectify women, so she can't have a skirt. Definitely no bare legs, same thing. Since she always has some kind of belt or something, let's be different and NOT have that, either. Same with the boots; she ALWAYS has red boots, so let's be DIFFERENT and have them be the same color as her suit, so it's all just one big blue blob. It's FUN to be DIFFERENT!"

How about we STOP celebrating things for "being different" and go back to celebrating them for being GOOD and/or Not Stupid? "Different" is usually worse, not better. This is a case in point.

[ZariusTwo]

Now they're a pedo!

Ezra Miller is not only a bad influence, they're a danger to the well-being of an 18-year-old woman ... at least according to her parents, who are asking a court to step in and keep the actor away from her.

According to new legal docs, obtained by TMZ, Tokata Iron Eyes met a then-23-year-old Miller in 2016 -- when she was just 12 -- and the actor was visiting the Standing Rock Reservation in North Dakota. From there, Tokata's parents say she and Ezra developed a friendship they believe puts Tokata at risk.

Tokata's parents say Miller flew her to London in 2017 to visit the studio where "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" was filmed, as she was a big fan and Miller was a star in the movie. At the time of the trip, they say Tokata was 14 and Ezra was 25.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/06/08/ezra-...did=social-twa

[neatoman]

Wow... That's not gonna do the marketing any good...

Between this and Amber Heard, I seriously wonder how these types people end up in these sort of high profile roles anyway and screw up for the studio...

[Andrew NDB]

Sorry, Leo, but this is 100% your boy Zack's fault. I remember he said he saw Ezra in that SH**TY prison movie and said to himself, "That's it!!! That's my Flash!" and we've been stuck with him ever since.