Doctor Strange 2

[neatoman]

Alright, I've seen the movie.

Spoiler:

In case anyone is wondering, Xavier is probably not meant to be the same one as in the X-Men movies despite Stewart reprising his role. The reason is that he is native to a bizarro earth where the red/green meaning of traffic lights are swapped, pizza comes in ball form and New York has vegetation growing on the buildings. Those movies depicted the city in a fairly normal way, so it's safe to assume it's not meant to be the universe of those movies. And yes, if you thought this meant he was the 90's cartoon Xavier instead, it obviously excludes that possibility too.

And... Yeah, he does kind of go out in a lame way. Even though it's not really the one from the X-Men movies, Stewart is old and it's kind of sad to think this somewhat undignified version might be the last time he plays the role...

In fact, all of the Illuminati goes out in lame ways, they're all killed by Wanda in humiliating ways.

Edit: Oh, and about the second after credits:

Spoiler:

I'm not sure who the character is, I'm guessing Blink from Exiles but I'm not too clear on that.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Alright, I've seen the movie.

Spoiler:

In case anyone is wondering, Xavier is probably not meant to be the same one as in the X-Men movies despite Stewart reprising his role. The reason is that he is native to a bizarro earth where the red/green meaning of traffic lights are swapped, pizza comes in ball form and New York has vegetation growing on the buildings. Those movies depicted the city in a fairly normal way, so it's safe to assume it's not meant to be the universe of those movies. And yes, if thought this meant he was the 90's cartoon Xavier instead, it obviously excludes that possibility too.

And... Yeah, he does kind of go out in a lame way. Even though it's not really the one from the X-Men movies, Stewart is old and it's kind of sad to think this somewhat undignified version might be the last time he plays the role...

In fact, all of the Illuminati goes out in lame ways, they're all killed by Wanda in humiliating ways.

I read those leaks/spoilers, and I hate it. I hate that they made a huge stupid joke out of it. These characters should have been a threat, and a big deal. But nope. Must have it undercut with a very dumb joke. This is what I hate about modern MCU.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by superstaff

I read those leaks/spoilers, and I hate it. I hate that they made a huge stupid joke out of it. These characters should have been a threat, and a big deal. But nope. Must have it undercut with a very dumb joke. This is what I hate about modern MCU.

The people who make Marvel movies hate comic books and super-heroes and want you to know that. They think it's all incredibly dumb and that you're stupid for liking the stuff. They scream it at you for two or three hours at a time, three or four times a year.

And yet somehow, it goes completely over peoples' heads. It's kinda f*cking amazing.

[Andrew NDB]

So spill. What are the cameos? Anything exciting?

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So spill. Whay are the cameos? Anything exciting?

Spoiler:

Patrick Stewart as Prof X Haley Atwell as Captain Carter John Kransnki as Reed Richards and Anson Mount as Black Bolt in actual comic costume. Bruce Campbell plays a Pizza guy and Charlize Theron plays Clera Strange the wife to an alt eart Dr Strange.

Edit: Oh, and about the second after credits:

Spoiler:

I'm not sure who the character is, I'm guessing Blink from Exiles but I'm not too clrear on that.

Spoiler:

Its Clera Strange Dr Strange's Wife from an alt earth

[Andrew NDB]

So....

Spoiler:

... no Fantastic Four (either version), no X-Men (either generation) outside of FAKE Xavier, no Spider-Men, no Ghost-Rider, no Jane Punisher, and no Deadpool.

Is that right? If so, lame.

Spoiler:

They reshot almost the whole movie just to incorporate some 5th and 6th rate multiversal cameos?

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Spoiler:

Patrick Stewart as Prof X

Spoiler:

Also this briefly plays when Xavier is introduced

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler:

Also this briefly plays when Xavier is introduced

That makes me happy

[ZariusTwo]

So I did watch it yesterday, and it's just...OK.

Spoiler:

I know I've seen some express disappointment at the lack of gargantuan cameos outside of the Illuminati, but I kind of prefer the smaller scale. They could have went full Endgame cameo with it, but the stakes are more personal when making it more about the core characters with only the slightest kiss of fanservice. It meant there was less distraction. Raimi's directing creates some captivating visuals. Horror isn't my favourite movie genre, and the usual MCU brand of humour I have a great distaste for, but the story holds together pretty solidly. If you go in with the impression that it's 'Wandavision Season Two' you get a lot more out of it, especially if you're feeling a little overexposed on Stephen from No Way Home

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler:

Also this briefly plays when Xavier is introduced

Sadly, I couldn't hear it because I went to a showing with like 300 teenagers who felt like cheering and applauding at everything, it was really annoying and I never understood what compels anyone to do that. With a live performance it makes sense but not when it's a recording, it's not like the people on screen can even hear you.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

The people who make Marvel movies hate comic books and super-heroes and want you to know that. They think it's all incredibly dumb and that you're stupid for liking the stuff. They scream it at you for two or three hours at a time, three or four times a year.

And yet somehow, it goes completely over peoples' heads. It's kinda f*cking amazing.

Yeeeeeah.

I think somewhere around Thor Ragnarok, the MCU began to inject all this cynical weird humor into all their movies, and it's gotten much worse over time. I thought the MCU was fine before that. Now? Bleh. The movies are held together by glue of empty fanservice and comedy that happens every 10 seconds. They just can't have dramatic scenes happen, they have to insert somebody making a quip. I've seen people blame Whedon and Gunn for this, but...eh, they knew when to pace themselves in their movies, and when to have the characters become serious when there's a threat. Raimi should know better since he also adhered to this. His movies had humor in them, even very dark jokes. But not what the leaks/spoilers describe for this.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler:

Also this briefly plays when Xavier is introduced

See, this is what I mean when I say 'empty fanservice'... What is the point of this song playing aside from titillating nerds (and wannabe nerds) in the audience? It doesn't even make sense since this version of (spoiler) doesn't even have that theme song. I can't remember that ever playing in the original movies.

The cameos just feel so pointless, and a wasted potential. Apparently they re-shot most of the movie to incorporate that??

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by superstaff

See, this is what I mean when I say 'empty fanservice'... What is the point of this song playing aside from titillating nerds (and wannabe nerds) in the audience?

The show is coming back next year

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The show is coming back next year

And X-Men '92/'97 is not connected to the MCU or the Fox X-Men movies, nor is the Stewart Xavier involved. So why is it in a MCU movie aside from empty fanservice?

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by superstaff

And X-Men '92/'97 is not connected to the MCU or the Fox X-Men movies, nor is the Stewart Xavier involved. So why is it in a MCU movie aside from empty fanservice?

MCU movies aren't really films, they're commercials. Nobody actually watches these for the plot, they're products intent on selling you the next product, from set-ups, to guest characters, to mid/post credits, it's all to keep the wheel spinning and the IPs farming.

It's a very sad practice, and the quality does dip the more they double down on the process, it's just unfortunate people still don't notice.

And the multiverse connects everything whether it's featured prominently or not.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

MCU movies aren't really films, they're commercials. Nobody actually watches these for the plot, they're products intent on selling you the next product, from set-ups, to guest characters, to mid/post credits, it's all to keep the wheel spinning and the IPs farming.

It's a very sad practice, and the quality does dip the more they double down on the process, it's just unfortunate people still don't notice.

Yeah. I'm well aware that the MCU are just poorly done commercials. Fans deserve better, but I guess most of them don't care, and just want to sit in a theater for two or more hours, stuffing popcorn in their mouths just to watch celebrities make jokes, and punch stuff. I enjoy comics, and movies, and comic book movies, although I expect, you know, a coherent plot and good characters that actually develop...

I think Mike Stoklasa of Red Letter Media was right that studios should just remove all pretext of these being real movies, and just release extended cuts of superheroes just fighting each other in glorified fan films...maybe throw in some toilet humor, and quips too.

And the multiverse connects everything whether it's featured prominently or not.

Right. By this logic, they might as well just have the Batman '89 theme play as Tom Hiddleston trips over his cape, and falls flat on his face as he groans that he accidentally took Batman's cape from the dry cleaners last Tuesday. Multi-verse should allow this to happen.

[Coola Yagami]

Ugh .. so I guess not another one worth catching CoVid over.

Man, this year's movies have been disappointing. It's just becoming too much of a hassle to leave the house for anything superfluous anymore.

[Shark_Blade]

Is anyone else bored with the film?

[Coola Yagami]

I guess I'm done with Marvel. I'll just stick around for more Spider-Man and Venom, but not even the new Thor interests me.

After End Game, the MCU is already showing signs of overstaying it's welcome. It really shoulda been the grand finale. Like, ending a show while it's still hot.

I mean whenever the MCU actually ends for real, it's gonna feel wrong without the OG Avengers in it. It's just gonna be all these weird gender swapped race swapped wannabes.

[superstaff]

I think I was done with the MCU at around Black Panther. It was the first MCU movie I skipped, though it was due to health problems at the time. Despite this, people got angry at me for not going on Day One, and accused me of bigotry. It turned me off from the movie, though I also wasn't super, super crazy about some of what I heard either. I did see Infinity War, and enjoyed it, even though I saw the 'cracks' in the walls with some of the random humor. Still mostly a solid film.

However, I still skipped Ant-Man and the Wasp, mostly out of disinterest even though I enjoyed the first one. Captain Marvel was a redux of Black Panther, with people getting angry that I, a woman, would skip out of The Most Feminist Film Of All Time (Wonder Woman was also this in 2017). I didn't like the spoilers I read for it, and never saw it. I read leaks for End Game, and wasn't crazy about it, then I did actually watch it (not on Day One), and I didn't like much of it (to sum it up: didn't like how they ended Tony and Steve's arcs, the time travel was meh, Thanos felt bland and poorly utilized overall in EG, hated the female hero war scene...). Even still, I would've preferred that had been the grand finale to the MCU, and just leave it be.

That was never going to happen, obviously.

Far From Home was awful, to me, and I know I might be the only person on the planet who hates FFH and NWH. Black Widow was crappy. Shang-Chi was surprisingly fine, though it still suffered from the dumb, 'lol random' humor, just not as much. Completely skipped Eternals. ...Yeah. I don't think they've been building up to anything, have they? Didn't they reference the Skrulls in FFH? What happened to that? Now they keep doing multi-verse stuff in their shows, and now the movies. Is that their new 'Thanos'? I couldn't tell you what the direction of the MCU is anymore. It feels like a lot of waste potential, and as I said before, bad commercials meant to sell you ideas, and not stories to love.

[Coola Yagami]

I actually enjoyed Black Panther, though I mostly saw Captain Marvel to see any hints of End Game, as most people did, and hey, Fury and Coulson, even though sadly Coulson only had a bit part.

End Game and the Spider-Man movies were it for me. Far From Home was the epilogue, showing a world in mourning without an Iron Man, and what happened after the snap was undone. I kinda consider Black Widow to be extra DLC cause there's nothing in that movie that couldn't have happened after Civil War, especially since that's when it took place. Ant-Man and the Wasp was fine, it's just too bad Lang was mostly a bumbling idiot throughout the whole thing.

Spider-Man No Way Home was pretty much Spider-Man End Game for me.

But I didn't even waste time with Shang Chi, the Eternals and I guess I'm gonna skip Dr. Strange and no interest in Thor.

Like I said, I'm only in it for Spider-Man and Venom. Maaaaaaaybe I'll be curious on the new X-Men if they ever get around to that.

But you're right. They're not really building up to anything. The most I heard is that maybe Kang the Conquerer will be in the next Ant Man as a prelude to him building himself up as the next big bad. But none of these other movies have shown any kind of build up to that, so they're all just a waste of time. Might as well just skip straight to Ant Man then.