Aquaman & The Lost Kingdom

[ZariusTwo]

Heard has lost the case

https://news.sky.com/story/johnny-de...heard-12609397

[Andrew NDB]

She's been cut entirely from the movie, maybe?

https://fanfest.com/warner-bros-has-..._6EL0VsneV-ljY

[Sumac]

For once Disney canceled the right person?
If its true, that is.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

For once Disney canceled the right person?
If its true, that is.

Well, the only casualty will be the movie itself. It's not like WB will ask for the money back from her.

It IS highly unlikely she would ever, ever be considered for any kind of role in any non-indie level movie.

[ZariusTwo]

There have been new test screenings this week, this cut was 2 hours 15 minutes, but is said to have been received less well than the April screening

Key details

Spoiler:

"Few audience feedback"

"Liked: Momoa, Patrick Wilson, the buddy comedy act, action set pieces."

"Disliked: Amber Heard, screenplay, Amber Heard, the largely campy and cheesy humor, and finally, Amber Heard."

[How were the reactions?] "Few claps, but most audiences were disappointed with it. Average feedback/reaction was mediocre."

"There were few claps when the movie ended, but majority of the folks who attended apparently were disappointed by the version that was screened yesterday. And on the questionnaire the average response was 'Mediocre'."

Claimed that there will be another test screening on Wednesday, June 22

https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/c...est_screening/

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

There have been new test screenings this week, this cut was 2 hours 15 minutes, but is said to have been received less well than the April screening

Key details

Spoiler:

"Few audience feedback"

"Liked: Momoa, Patrick Wilson, the buddy comedy act, action set pieces."

"Disliked: Amber Heard, screenplay, Amber Heard, the largely campy and cheesy humor, and finally, Amber Heard."

[How were the reactions?] "Few claps, but most audiences were disappointed with it. Average feedback/reaction was mediocre."

"There were few claps when the movie ended, but majority of the folks who attended apparently were disappointed by the version that was screened yesterday. And on the questionnaire the average response was 'Mediocre'."

Claimed that there will be another test screening on Wednesday, June 22

https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/c...est_screening/

I'm shocked. Truly shocked!

I guess I have no room to comment since I didn't even like the first Aquaman. But I will say, Heard's Mera was likely a huge part of the sequel, and cutting her out is going to make the movie choppy and awkward, whether you like her or her character, or not. I imagine a huge chunk of the movie got lost in the shuffle, as well as an equally huge part of the emotional component (aka Arthur and Mera's relationship).

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by superstaff

I'm shocked. Truly shocked!

I guess I have no room to comment since I didn't even like the first Aquaman. But I will say, Heard's Mera was likely a huge part of the sequel, and cutting her out is going to make the movie choppy and awkward, whether you like her or her character, or not. I imagine a huge chunk of the movie got lost in the shuffle, as well as an equally huge part of the emotional component (aka Arthur and Mera's relationship).

And lessening her part in 2 retroactively makes her less meaningful in 1. Why waste so much time on her arc with Aquaman and so on.

[ZariusTwo]

Michael Keaton appears twice in the latest cut of the film

https://twitter.com/undercovercine/s...92IM6e0DHBD8YQ

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Michael Keaton appears twice in the latest cut of the film

https://twitter.com/undercovercine/s...92IM6e0DHBD8YQ

I guess this confirms that they want 70 year old Michael Keaton to be the DC version of Nick Fury...

[mrmaczaps]

If the movie is done, cutting it up to remove Amber is dumb. She got paid, she is in it, dislike her all you want, but criticism of the movie should be about the movie itself... 90% of hollyweird are creepy perverted kid diddling high brow a$$holes that couldn't care less about the average viewer as long as they get paid.... all thats important to me is that they tell a great movie about the guy who talks to fish.

[Leo656]

Yeah, supposedly the most recent test screenings didn't go great, but the feedback was very schizophrenic. On one hand, every bit with Amber in it supposedly got universally bad feedback (shocking), BUT, the biggest complaints were supposedly that the movie itself was choppy and disjointed as a whole... which is because almost all of her stuff was already cut, leaving the final product a bit of a mess.

I imagine WB will take this feedback at face value and just remove Amber's scenes altogether, and then wonder out loud why the reviews will say it's a hack-job when it finally comes out. "But... we did what Facebook said, we cut Amber Heard entirely! Why are they saying the movie is bad? What's 'cohesiveness'? Is that, like... a fancy college word for 'explosions'? We put those in, right? Can stuff explode underwater? Well it does now!"

Frankly, I care more about the Big Picture than about Heard and Depp's pissing fight. All I've ever seen her as was Mera, and she did good with it. It's stupid to wreck the movie (and subsequently, the series) over some He Said/She Said crash TV nonsense. The whole plot with Mera and their baby and her subsequent rage madness... all that was the only time Aquaman was ever interesting, in the comics, and I was really hopeful that we'd get to see it play out in the movies. It seemed on track for that, and now... feh.

I don't think either one of them needed to lose work over this whole bit of nonsense. I was fine with studios choosing not to keep Depp around on account of the box office not paying off his price tag anymore, that's just sensible business if his roles weren't returning on investment, but that's a whole other thing entirely. He wasn't getting chopped out of movies he'd already done, for one thing. All his stuff still got released and people ignored it because if he's not a pirate nobody's interested, but still, he wasn't chopped out of stuff he'd already done. "City of Lies" didn't start all over with Skeet Ulrich as a replacement, or anything, for example.

Whole thing is dumb. She's got One Role anyone's seen her in, and she's good at that one thing, let her go to work. I liked the first Aquaman movie a lot more than I'd expected, too, and actually wanted to see where the sequels might go. Sounds like they're fine with screwing the whole thing up over a hashtag, though... again.

Never change, WB. And by that, I mean Change Immediately. You suck.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I imagine WB will take this feedback at face value and just remove Amber's scenes altogether, and then wonder out loud why the reviews will say it's a hack-job when it finally comes out. "But... we did what Facebook said, we cut Amber Heard entirely! Why are they saying the movie is bad? What's 'cohesiveness'? Is that, like... a fancy college word for 'explosions'? We put those in, right? Can stuff explode underwater? Well it does now!"

This will 100% happen. Word for word too.

Frankly, I care more about the Big Picture than about Heard and Depp's pissing fight. All I've ever seen her as was Mera, and she did good with it. It's stupid to wreck the movie (and subsequently, the series) over some He Said/She Said crash TV nonsense. The whole plot with Mera and their baby and her subsequent rage madness... all that was the only time Aquaman was ever interesting, in the comics, and I was really hopeful that we'd get to see it play out in the movies. It seemed on track for that, and now... feh.

If I was the director of this movie, I'd fight tooth and nail for my movie to be as in-tact as possible. What's happened to the creatives? Oh, right, many of them are just 'guns for hire' now. I remember the story of Guillermo del Toro fighting the studio because they wanted his Hellboy to be played by Vin Diesel, and be a Hulk rip-off (Vin Diesel 'turning into' Hellboy when he got angry). Nowadays, it seems most directors just roll over, and let the studio hack job their stuff. The studios have no respect for the art or the artist either.

Never change, WB. And by that, I mean Change Immediately. You suck.

WB Executive: Don't worry, Leo! We won't! Ha ha! We'll probably f*ck up Flash even worse than this because we're scared sh*tless we'll lose our Christmas bonuses, so we'll CG Grant Gustin into Ezra Miller's body, and add in 200% more Michael Keaton like the fans want! You'll love it! ...HA HA!

(The WB executive sounded a lot like...Mickey Mouse too.)

[Andrew NDB]

I saw her in "3 Days to Kill." That movie was AWESOME.



She was fine in The Stand. Apparently she was also in The Rum Diary and Zombieland but I don't remember her in either one. Haven't seen her in anything else.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I saw her in "3 Days to Kill." That movie was AWESOME.



She was fine in The Stand. Apparently she was also in The Rum Diary and Zombieland but I don't remember her in either one. Haven't seen her in anything else.

That movie has Marvel's green arrow jr in it too... huh. Never heard of it.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

That movie has Marvel's green arrow jr in it too... huh. Never heard of it.

It's super good. Very slick script and very memorable. And I don't throw that around lightly.

[Coola Yagami]

I woulda just recast her and problem solved.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I woulda just recast her and problem solved.

They can't recast this late in the game. It'd be too expensive (reshoots including whole scenes with the same actors involved, have to pay another actress for the same job, etc), and would delay their movie slate.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by superstaff

They can't recast this late in the game. It'd be too expensive (reshoots including whole scenes with the same actors involved, have to pay another actress for the same job, etc), and would delay their movie slate.

If I had to choose between that or shutting it all down, I'll choose to recast.

I mean this is on them for playing the 'cancel culture virtue signal' game. People knew Amber was **** way before the trial. I woulda dropped her the moment this **** came up, which was most likely while she was still filming her scenes.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

If I had to choose between that or shutting it all down, I'll choose to recast.

It's cheaper for them to just edit her out, even if it makes the movie nonsensical. It's been done before. And most people might not even care, and will still pay to see it multiple times. Who knows.

[Leo656]

Why should anyone lose paying work because they had a closed-door fight with their spouse? None of that junk is any of our concern and should have no effect on business.

It's a dangerous game if we're gonna start playing "I only go see movies starring Good and Decent People," which is what it seems like people selectively want to do. It amazes me that sometimes people like to act shocked when they find out, Shocker, those rich pretty people who sprinkle cocaine on their breakfast cereal are actually awful train wrecks in Real Life, and then they're like "That's it, I can't in good conscience go see a movie with that person in it!" F*cking spare me. It's a business based entirely on make-believe and every single one of these people is a goddamn degenerate.

And nobody "cancelled" Johnny Depp over accusations, let's stop pushing that retarded lie. He had several movies come out over the last few years, just nothing anyone cares about. I'm sure the brouhaha with Heard didn't help anything, but both the Pirates and Fantastic Beasts franchises were looking to move away from him when his movies stopped bringing in huge dividends but he kept his huge price tag. If anything, the rumors and scandal were maybe the last little nudge to confirm that they'd be going in another (cheaper) direction, but they were already leaning towards that before that happened. Everything would still be exactly the same as it is; nobody who thought the Fantastic Beasts sequel sucked said, "But Johnny Depp could've saved it." Not one person thinks that. If anything, it'd be one more clunker he has his name stuck on.

He's fine, he's been fine and will continue to be fine. Yet Amber gets completely erased from a movie and never gets to work again. Over closed door Jerry Springer sh*t that isn't anybody's business in the first place. "Fair".

I really wish people would stop concerning themselves with the personal lives of minstrels, and simply compartmentalized Art from The Artist the way they like to pretend they do. As I've said, I care more about the movies they make than I do any of these assholes as people. So when the movies get screwed up on account of petty nonsense (and in turn, the common rabble's morbid fascination with said petty nonsense), I find it supremely aggravating.

Ah well. One more DC movie to skip. I guess that's okay, I can just ignore the entire franchise now altogether! It was admittedly kinda weird being like, "I don't really care about any of it... but I guess Aquaman 2 might be good." Now there's no outlier! "It all looks like sh*t!" That's kinda awesome, I guess.