DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie

[Xav]

Might as well just put the film on HBO Max at this point.

[AquaParade]

I used to think Snyder was good at casting lol.

[CyberCubed]

It would be funny if they digitally remove his face from the movie and replace it with the guy who plays Flash in the CW show.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It would be funny if they digitally remove his face from the movie and replace it with the guy who plays Flash in the CW show.

Or -- radical idea -- maybe somebody who actually resembles Barry Allen. He should look like the new Jack Reacher guy.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Sorry, Leo, but this is 100% your boy Zack's fault. I remember he said he saw Ezra in that SH**TY prison movie and said to himself, "That's it!!! That's my Flash!" and we've been stuck with him ever since.

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I used to think Snyder was good at casting lol.

It's not really Snyder's fault? If by sh**ty prison movie, you mean 'We Need to Talk about Kevin' then that really is a solid movie, actually. I think Miller is actually a pretty good actor. He's just...a very messed up person. It reminds me a lot of TJ Miller's situation from years ago as well, I thought he was also talented and funny, but it was revealed he was also messed up, though maybe not as much as Ezra Miller. I doubt Zack Snyder knew about Miller's instability, and cast him anyway, he just saw a talented actor, and wanted him for his movie. I think, for the most part, Snyder is actually pretty good at picking actors for his movies, and I say this as someone who tends to either love or hate his stuff.

Originally Posted by Xav

Might as well just put the film on HBO Max at this point.

That's a possibility. Though I think they've funneled way too much time and money into this to keep it away from theaters. Sunk Cost Fallacy, and all that. They'll likely just shift focus away from Miller, and toward the co-stars of the movie during the press tours, and hope people can separate the actor from the character.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by superstaff

It's not really Snyder's fault? If by sh**ty prison movie, you mean 'We Need to Talk about Kevin' then that really is a solid movie, actually.

The Stanford Prison Experiment.

I think Miller is actually a pretty good actor. He's just...a very messed up person. It reminds me a lot of TJ Miller's situation from years ago as well, I thought he was also talented and funny, but it was revealed he was also messed up, though maybe not as much as Ezra Miller. I doubt Zack Snyder knew about Miller's instability, and cast him anyway, he just saw a talented actor, and wanted him for his movie. I think, for the most part, Snyder is actually pretty good at picking actors for his movies, and I say this as someone who tends to either love or hate his stuff.

Ezra's a decent enough actor. He didn't even bother me in the recent "The Stand." All the weirdo rapey/assaulty stuff aside, he just isn't anything remotely like Barry Allen, either in looks or voice or demeanor or anything. He was 100% miscast.

I suspect that while Zack is up on his Superman comics and some Batman comics... not so much on the Flash front. There is no way you could read even a handful of Flash comics in almost any decade and arrive at Ezra Miller.

Maybe as Bart. That's what Zack should have done is just make him Bart.

That's a possibility. Though I think they've funneled way too much time and money into this to keep it away from theaters. Sunk Cost Fallacy, and all that. They'll likely just shift focus away from Miller, and toward the co-stars of the movie during the press tours, and hope people can separate the actor from the character.

Remember how everyone was making mention that it's odd that the thing they're pushing the hardest in the movie isn't the Flash, but the Keaton Batman? I think -- at least in terms of the marketing -- we're going to see that pendulum swing way, wayyyyy more towards the Keaton Batman while burying Ezra almost entirely. We haven't seen nuthin yet.

Though seriously, what do you do if you're WB in this situation? You almost have to digitally remove/replace Ezra at this point or refilm his scenes. That or leave the movie on the shelf another year or so, so that the first thing people think when they see Ezra on screen isn't "oh, it's that weirdo assault/pedo/rapey guy that's on the news every other week."

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

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Ezra's a decent enough actor. He didn't even bother me in the recent "The Stand." All the weirdo rapey/assaulty stuff aside, he just isn't anything remotely like Barry Allen, either in looks or voice or demeanor or anything. He was 100% miscast.

I think, for the interpretation Snyder was going for, Miller as Allen was fine. To be honest, I don't think Grant Gustin is an accurate Barry Allen either, at least in my opinion. Then again, I was one of the people defending him back when he was first cast, and everyone hated him for not being anything like Barry, and for 'being that weirdo from Glee'. Interesting how people now love Grant Gustin, and want him to be the movie 'verse Flash.

Remember how everyone was making mention that it's odd that the thing they're pushing the hardest in the movie isn't the Flash, but the Keaton Batman? I think -- at least in terms of the marketing -- we're going to see that pendulum swing way, wayyyyy more towards the Keaton Batman while burying Ezra almost entirely. We haven't seen nuthin yet.

I can't wait to see a Flash movie where a 70 year old Michael Keaton Batman is advertised as the star... Yay...

Though seriously, what do you do if you're WB in this situation? You almost have to digitally remove/replace Ezra at this point or refilm his scenes. That or leave the movie on the shelf another year or so, so that the first thing people think when they see Ezra on screen isn't "oh, it's that weirdo assault/pedo/rapey guy."

Well, I wouldn't be in WB's situation because my vision of a DCU movie 'verse would be completely different from what they ended up doing, and I especially wouldn't do a Flash movie with the plotline they chose either (as the first ever movie outing at least). I'd also use Keaton in a Batman Beyond type movie, not Flash.

Maybe as Bart. That's what Zack should have done is just make him Bart.

Nah. I don't think Miller fits as Bart either, not by the standards you state. He doesn't look like Bart, he's too old for the role (I think Bart's still mostly a teen, right?), and Bart's more of a show-off cocky kid than Barry or Wally ever were.

[ZariusTwo]

The court can't locate Ezra and serve him papers. Barry is on the run!


https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...t-serve-papers

[Sumac]

Now he is THE FASTEST MAN ON THE EARTH indeed.

[CyberCubed]

I honestly get the feeling he's going to wind up dead soon. Either by suicide or getting himself killed in a gun/knife fight.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I honestly get the feeling he's going to wind up dead soon. Either by suicide or getting himself killed in a gun/knife fight.

Maybe, but I feel like this type is pretty good at surviving even shittiest odds: its like their sheer stupidity allows them to evade the worst.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I honestly get the feeling he's going to wind up dead soon. Either by suicide or getting himself killed in a gun/knife fight.

Jesus, they might just have to bury the movie at that point.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Maybe, but I feel like this type is pretty good at surviving even shittiest odds: its like their sheer stupidity allows them to evade the worst.

Yeah, that, and he's a celebrity. At best, he'll get a little jail time in a fancypants facility for the wealthy where he gets a private cell with satellite TV and internet, and gets to eat fancy dinners every night with other celebrities and white collar criminals. At worst...he'll just keep being Ezra Miller. Either way, celebrities rarely get any sort of comeuppance the way the rest of us plebs do. If Harry Johnson did the stuff Ezra Miller did, he'd currently be in prison unless he was a lucky shmuck like Sumac says (because that also applies to some plebs, of course, Survival of the Dumbest and all).

Hell, if Ezra Miller did overdose or got murdered, wanna bet the masses will suddenly cry and mourn him in spite of what he's done. WB will then spin The Flash as a 'For Ezra' feature, and definitely take advantage of his death to make a quick buck. It might even succeed.

[Leo656]

Drugs are a helluva drug. What a f*cking train wreck. Too bad they can't scrap the whole movie. Honestly think JL2 would have more studio and public support by this point. There's no way this thing makes money, not even with Grandpa Batman. The leaks make it clear the plot is a total mess and not one word of buzz is positive, and now this guy goes on his Public Meltdown Tour. Your "star" isn't even gonna be allowed to do any press to promote the movie! What a joke.

I get the whole "sunk cost" thing, but if WB seriously expects that Keaton's cameo is gonna bring in one billion dollars at the box office, they're seriously overestimating how many current-day movie fans were 6 years old in 1989.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I get the whole "sunk cost" thing, but if WB seriously expects that Keaton's cameo is gonna bring in one billion dollars at the box office, they're seriously overestimating how many current-day movie fans were 6 years old in 1989.

I doubt they think it will make a billion at this point. Their only goal now is to maximize whatever profits they can from this thing then move on. They'll likely push Keaton in an attempt to get butts in seats, maybe try other forms of promotion for this movie. They might even, yet again, push it back to late 2023 or even 2024. There is an HBO Max only release, yes, though I think they did the math, and know theatrical is what's going to get them that max profit they want, even if it's not much compared to other blockbusters. Guess we'll see.

To be honest, I want them to start over. And maybe, like, stop messing with the creative process as much as they have. We could've had a Flash movie or two or three by now if they hadn't f*cked up as much as they have over the years. I hate WB, so I'm guessing they'll continue on this limbo of Yes DCEU, No DCEU for the next decade.

Oh, and guess what. If this movie flops, no more Flash for God knows how long. Same thing happened with Green Lantern. It took over a decade to now get a show, and potentially a movie going forward.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by superstaff

To be honest, I want them start over. And maybe, like, stop messing with the creative process as much as they have.

But see, the second part being a certainty is what makes the first part entirely pointless.

WB is gonna WB. Thus any reboots/restarts/retcons/do-overs are entirely a waste of time. They'd be far better served in trying to salvage the stuff that worked from what's already been established, rather than starting completely over from Zero again, simply because as an entity WB has no idea what they're doing and thus while they might not repeat the same mistakes as before, their total wishy-washiness and incapability to commit to an idea without hitting the panic button the second a movie falls short by a measly $75 million is going to doom them no matter what.

The internet is packed full of people (who've never, ever made a movie in their lives, it bears mentioning) who love to chirp about how "ALL WB/DC needs to do is THIS! (insert overly-simplified Perfect World Scenario that ignores the fact that WB is run by drunken chimps)", yet such hypothesizing ignores the fact that they've already tried just about everything there is to try. Right down to "Just have One Guy oversee everything for the sake of consistency/cohesion! Like Disney did with Marvel!" Yeah, um... that WAS the original plan, and lest we forget WB had no issue throwing their giant, expensive plan (and the guy overseeing it all) in the fireplace the second that one of their movies didn't crack a billion. Would they do it again? Absolutely. Whether it was Abrams, Whedon, or whoever... they'd still just be a puppet subject to the whims of WB executives, and therefore just as disposable.

So yeah, I don't think any do-overs would alleviate the Big Problems, they'd just shift those problems over to a different group of people on the creative end. WB, as an entity, would be prone to all the same issues like executive overreach and knee-jerk overreacting to EW reviews and box office underperformance.

They're just a mess as a company. They have no direction and no ability to commit.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

But see, the second part being a certainty is what makes the first part entirely pointless.

WB is gonna WB. Thus any reboots/restarts/retcons/do-overs are entirely a waste of time.

Yeah, I know. I'd love a do-over that was less messy. Ain't gonna happen, not even under the new leadership with Discovery. Tbh, I think the Discovery execs seem worse based on the decisions they've made with the TV stuff so far.

Right down to "Just have One Guy oversee everything for the sake of consistency/cohesion! Like Disney did with Marvel!"

I think the more control Feige got, the worse the MCU's gotten, in my opinion.

Yeah, um... that WAS the original plan, and lest we forget WB had no issue throwing their giant, expensive plan (and the guy overseeing it all) in the fireplace the second that one of their movies didn't crack a billion. Would they do it again? Absolutely. Whether it was Abrams, Whedon, or whoever... they'd still just be a puppet subject to the whims of WB executives, and therefore just as disposable.

It was. Not sure why people suggest that. Having an over-seer for a franchise doesn't automatically make it better, no.

So yeah, I don't think any do-overs would alleviate the Big Problems, they'd just shift those problems over to a different group of people on the creative end. WB, as an entity, would be prone to all the same issues like executive overreach and knee-jerk overreacting to EW reviews and box office underperformance.

They're just a mess as a company. They have no direction and no ability to commit.

It won't fix anything. I've given up on that dream long ago. Most superhero movies right now are awful, in my opinion, from both DC and Marvel. Even outside of the Big Two, like that horrible Hellboy film from 2019.

I think what I needed to say was a do-over but without WB...or any major studios involved. Maybe this hypothetical do-over will be shot and filmed...in the depths of my mind.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by superstaff

Yeah, I know. I'd love a do-over that was less messy. Ain't gonna happen, not even under the new leadership with Discovery.

So I was listening to the Adam & Dr. Drew podcast the other night for a run and there was a Discovery+ ad running at the end of it for how you can best and most organically introduce/expose your small children to drag queens. An earnest ad for that.

Suddenly I'm not super confident in Discovery's leadership with WB.

[Leo656]

Nobody who saw how the Turner/Time Warner/AOL mergers shook down in the late-90s has ANY confidence whatsoever that corporate mergers ever do any good for anyone except the people in the penthouse. The products generally suffer in the wave of keeping costs down and New Management trying to enforce their whims.

It's like I've been saying since the merger was announced and all the "Discovery is gonna fix everything!" headlines started. I'll believe it when I see it, and not one second before.

Am I shocked in the least that it's apparently "Same Sh*t, Different Trash Can"? Not in the least. That's how these things roll.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So I was listening to the Adam & Dr. Drew podcast the other night for a run and there was a Discovery+ ad running at the end of it for how you can best and most organically introduce/expose your small children to drag queens. An earnest ad for that.

Suddenly I'm not super confident in Discovery's leadership with WB.

Groomers gotta groom.