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[superstaff]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Idk I think there might be a perception issue or miscommunication, bc I didn't think I had attitude at all in the Thor thread. Felt like healthy back n forth to me. Anyway.

You didn't really seem to care for any of the points I was making, but alrighty. Moving right along.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by superstaff

You didn't really seem to care for any of the points I was making, but alrighty. Moving right along.

That's not accurate, imo. I replied to your points and even agreed with at least one, like the implication that Feige getting out of Perlmutter's wing, may have had an impact on the MCU's current degradation.

Without being a dick, it seems like you have a persecution complex.

Maybe I'm wrong. Just how it seems to me.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

That's not accurate, imo. I replied to your points and even agreed with at least one, like the implication that Feige getting out of Perlmutter's wing, may have had an impact on the MCU's current degradation.

I only replied to the point where we agreed because you basically implied the rest of my criticisms weren't valid. I didn't reply further to the parts where we disagreed because I honestly don't feel like regurgitating my points over and over again just to have people be like, "Nah, you're CRAZY" every single time. I think the MCU sucks, and has no direction. Most everyone else thinks it's great entertainment at minimum, and a masterpiece of comic book cinema at maximum. And...that's that.

Without being a dick, it seems like you have a persecution complex.

Maybe I'm wrong. Just how it seems to me.

Most of TF says that about me, and how much of a detestable c*nt I am or whatever. It's my rep here. Oh well?

[Andrew NDB]

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

https://i.gifer.com/U260.gif

Nice gif. I liked The Muppets.

(Disappointed that it didn't piss me off, Andy? )

[Andrew NDB]

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Terrible rebuttal there, bro. And the music isn't that great either.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by superstaff

Most of TF says that about me, and how much of a detestable c*nt I am or whatever. It's my rep here. Oh well?

as a conservative person, you don't seem that way to me. though I don't follow all the threads. example, maybe there is one where cube comes off as intelligent for all I know ;o)..

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

as a conservative person, you don't seem that way to me. though I don't follow all the threads. example, maybe there is one where cube comes off as intelligent for all I know ;o)..

Thanks, Vegita. Appreciate it.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by superstaff

I only replied to the point where we agreed because you basically implied the rest of my criticisms weren't valid. I didn't reply further to the parts where we disagreed because I honestly don't feel like regurgitating my points over and over again just to have people be like, "Nah, you're CRAZY" every single time. I think the MCU sucks, and has no direction. Most everyone else thinks it's great entertainment at minimum, and a masterpiece of comic book cinema at maximum. And...that's that.



Most of TF says that about me, and how much of a detestable c*nt I am or whatever. It's my rep here. Oh well?

I'm surprised you think that. I'm cherry picking here, bc you painted my Thor response with a pretty broad brush of having written you off, but here is a few things I said in reply to you, in agreeance:

Spoiler:

"That said, I don't disagree with you. It would not surprise me at all if there was more wrestling for control on this film, than the previous ones, with so much going on."

"Definitely seems like Feige has his own ideas too, for better or worse. I'm sure he had a lot of plans for Endgame."

"I believe it was around this time, but can't confirm. Could definitely have something to do with it."

"That's a fair argument, but I think he probably measures quality by more than just laughs"

In fact, this is most of what I said. Extremely gentle, imo. I agreed with you on several points, disagreed on a few, and wasn't aggressive.

If that's your idea of implying everything you said in invalid or me saying "nah you're crazy", I think that's something on your end, not something I'm sending out. Or you just don't know how to handle people disagreeing with you, without taking offense, because I'm confident I wasn't being disrespectful.

[Andrew NDB]

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I'm surprised you think that. I'm cherry picking here, bc you painted my Thor response with a pretty broad brush of having written you off, but here is a few things I said in reply to you, in agreeance:

Spoiler:

"That said, I don't disagree with you. It would not surprise me at all if there was more wrestling for control on this film, than the previous ones, with so much going on."

"Definitely seems like Feige has his own ideas too, for better or worse. I'm sure he had a lot of plans for Endgame."

"I believe it was around this time, but can't confirm. Could definitely have something to do with it."

"That's a fair argument, but I think he probably measures quality by more than just laughs"

All of that stuff you copy/pasted came from basically the same thing about Feige's level of control, and what he likes to jam into the movies nowadays. That's about it. You just agreed about one aspect of what I was saying. And you disagreed on that last statement too, because I said that he does only measure by the laughs, and you think he doesn't.

If that's your idea of implying everything you said in invalid or me saying "nah you're crazy", I think that's something on your end, not something I'm sending out. Or you just don't know how to handle people disagreeing with you, without taking offense, because I'm confident I wasn't being disrespectful.

I really don't care, dude. If you want to 'have healthy discussions', then go find other people to have them with on here. There's plenty of members in this forum to choose from. Clearly, you just want to pick at me and my opinions, and I don't really want to talk to you anymore, on any sort of level, on any sort of topic whether we agree or not.

[Andrew NDB]

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

https://media.tumblr.com/b5deb30cd6b...7rR1qz4rgp.gif

It's really clear that you lack the skills to come up with real comebacks and responses to things when you're 'cornered'. Someone with actual wit could at least conjure some kind of insult to throw at me or whatever. I'll at least give Aqua credit for using words rather than insipid gifs.

Edit: I find it ironic that many people at that 'How many 2000s users are still left here on the drome?' thread scratch their heads, and wonder why most of those 'cool folks' left the forum. Gee, could it possibly be because people don't like being antagonized for their opinions and comments? That thread basically confirms that many of those Big Name forum posters were run out of here after being told one too many times that they are worthless scum for (x), even over topics as insignificant as action figure quality or whatever. It just isn't fun to come here, and get told how much of an idiot I am or how I 'lack empathy' because my politics or movie or f*cking Ninja Turtle opinions don't align with other prominent fans'. Just. No.

That Thor post I mention participating with Aqua in? Yeah, I tried to be civil in it, thus why I didn't respond to the disagreement parts because, you know, I wanted to be a grown up, and not have the f*cking thread degrade into a mudslinging contest over a movie franchise that I think isn't worth a sh*t. I can take disagreements, I just can't take condescending remarks, and "lol what do you know, you dumbass" type comments.

Whatever. I have better things to do than stay here, and waste my time arguing with people who can't even actually use words to convey how they feel, and have to resort to memes/gifs. It's like having a discussion with a toddler that communicates via crayon and paper.

[Andrew NDB]

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by superstaff

All of that stuff you copy/pasted came from basically the same thing about Feige's level of control, and what he likes to jam into the movies nowadays. That's about it. You just agreed about one aspect of what I was saying. And you disagreed on that last statement too, because I said that he does only measure by the laughs, and you think he doesn't.

So if I disagree, you will be offended. Got it. I think that's the issue.

I know I disagreed with you in one of the pieces I highlighted. I bolded the part that implied I was being polite as opposed to "implying your thoughts were invalid".

By your logic, saying to you "that's a fair argument, but here's what I think..." is akin to saying "all your thoughts are invalid and you are crazy."

Originally Posted by superstaff

I really don't care, dude. If you want to 'have healthy discussions', then go find other people to have them with on here. There's plenty of members in this forum to choose from. Clearly, you just want to pick at me and my opinions, and I don't really want to talk to you anymore, on any sort of level, on any sort of topic whether we agree or not.

Okay, if you don't want to talk, stop replying. That' fine.

If you respond to me, I can't promise I won't reply back.

[Leo656]

Observation, with a question.

Autumn Snyder committed suicide in March of 2017. Zack worked on Justice League until late May, when principle photography was done and the film was in post-production.

Is it common for people to stay on their jobs for two whole months after getting "fired"?

I know that's the narrative everyone wants to believe but the timeline doesn't add up. It's clear both sides weren't getting along anymore by that point and WB had already installed Whedon as "babysitter" on-set, but the timing of Zack's final departure comes off more like WB looked at the situation as a morbid convenience. "Well... we don't HAVE to ask him to leave, he's taking time off of his own volition and most likely won't want to come back anyway."

Rather the opposite of "he needs to go grieve RIGHT NOW", according to people who were there he threw himself full-time into the post-production process for weeks so he wouldn't have to deal with anything outside of the film. When that clearly wasn't working was when he finally went home after discussing it with his wife and other kids.

It's clear WB wanted to nudge him aside regardless, but more than anything it comes off like they took advantage of a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to do so without actually dropping a hammer.

If he'd been "fired" outright and they wanted nothing more to do with him, they most likely wouldn't have let him spend eight whole weeks doing editing and post-production, knowing they were probably going to scrap a lot of it anyway.

I know facts aren't supposed to get in the way of a good story and everything. Just saying, Here's What Actually Happened there.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

It's clear WB wanted to nudge him aside regardless, but more than anything it comes off like they took advantage of a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to do so without actually dropping a hammer.

Of course. Because if left to say "creative differences," that would give the movie a layer of toxicity it wouldn't otherwise have. Going the route they did everybody wins. WB gets to steer the ship around in the editing room with the movie the way they wanted, no one is going to blame Zack because he has to rush home and grieve, and whatever form the movie would take it would be "the best that we could do under the circumstances." But you just know, you just know WB was banking on Whedon hitting it out of the stadium.

Though yeah, a lot of this relies on the main public not being aware how long before his daughter had actually passed it was and also the movie being basically almost done in the editing room. WB's logic wouldn't even make sense for what they did post-Zack running home to grieve story. Because we're supposed to believe that WB really believed in Zack's movie but Zack had a horrible family tragedy and now Zack isn't able to finish up overseeing the final edit/post-production... so then honoring the grieving Zack's vision means having Whedon reshoot like 70% of it and completely change the tone?

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But you just know, you just know WB was banking on Whedon hitting it out of the stadium.

The fact that WB literally assumed "All we have to do is hire The Avengers Guy and everything will be fine!" just goes to show how "deeply" they look into or understand these things. It's like they think making movies is like baking a cake, or something. "Just mix some stock ingredients, shake it up, and something delicious falls out." Doesn't quite work that way.

And trying to merge the two versions of the movie together... ugh. Closest thing I can even think of would be if like, they tried to splice Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher Batman stuff into one coherent movie. Same thing, like you couldn't have two more polar opposite styles and sensibilities if you tried.

The stuff Whedon shot was so shoddy, too. Like the editing and the framing and Aquaman's constantly moving, disappearing/reappearing tattoos. I know they were on a crunch by that point but every bit of his footage looks like it was shot in five minutes and they only got one take. Wouldn't doubt it, actually.

And since half his job was to clip the running time, it makes no sense why he made some scenes LONGER than how Zack did them, like the Bruce/Barry scene. Whedon's version of that scene runs almost twice as long... because of "What is Brunch?" and sh*t like that. He cut huge chunks of connective tissue, character development, and plot because the movie had to be shorter... but he doubled the length of some relatively-inconsequential scenes just to put more bad jokes in? That was extremely counter-productive to the mission.

I think once they decided they were gonna have someone else reshoot half the movie, there was no real saving it. But the LEAST they could have done was try to find someone whose style even superficially could be wedded with Snyder's, so it wasn't such a blatant hack-and-patch job. It's crazy that they thought, like, "Well, their styles are nothing alike at all... BUT, this other guy made Avengers, soooo yeah! This is totally gonna work!" Like, WHY would anyone think that? Not only is Whedon NOT some kind of warlock, but when he made Avengers he had the advantage of working for a slightly more competent studio than WB, and entirely more favorable circumstances.

I guess WB never considered all that.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by superstaff

Cool. Nice to see I can still depend on you guys treating me like utter sh*t. Yet many of you have the gall to say 'lol we all wuff you, bruh' and 'your opinions are totally validated here'.

I've tried to give you benefit of the doubt, but it seems you are just a common attention *****, who attempts to make everything about herself, whether there is a reason or not.
Either that or you have a mental illness, which makes any disagreement seem like a personal offence.

AquaParade was extremely nice, more than you've deserved, still you shat on him, just for not licking your boots. Well, guess, it is obvious who you are and how you should be treated further along.