"The Woman King"

[Cowabung-Gal]

The title itself is an oxymoron.

[Andrew NDB]

So it's a flop and lost money. It only pulled 60 million domestically and 15 overseas. Also, September box office numbers in general plunge to worst level in 25 years:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...130000167.html

You mean nobody wanted to see Woman King, Don't Worry Darling, and Bros?

[oldmanwinters]

I hear it's based on a true story, but... all the promotional stuff feels very "contemporary."

Also, poor timing coming out around the same time as the super-female charged Wakanda Forever.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You mean nobody wanted to see Woman King, Don't Worry Darling, and Bros?

Hollywood and the woke zombies will take away from this that the economy is bad and that their audiences of millions for this content was also scared off by hundreds of thousands of racists and ummmm.... what are they called again? "The misogynists"? Yeah... them.

[AquaParade]

Damn racist economy.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Damn racist economy.

should be on a tshirt

[Roseangelo]

I still don't feel motivated to go to a theater, and I expect a lot of people are the same. Gonna be some hard times for movies. Even the good ones.

[Last Ronin]

It's gotten so bad that black rich people are buying out theaters just to make it profitable smh.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I hear it's based on a true story, but... all the promotional stuff feels very "contemporary."

Also, poor timing coming out around the same time as the super-female charged Wakanda Forever.

It is, But some people didn't see it, Because the people the movie is about were involved in some slave trades at the time.

They didn't like the idea of the movie glamorizing a group of people that sell out there own people.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

It is, But some people didn't see it, Because the people the movie is about were involved in some slave trades at the time.

They didn't like the idea of the movie glamorizing a group of people that sell out there own people.

Why didn't those virtuous people also call out Viola Davis for cancellation like they do for anything else they pass judgement on?

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

I still don't feel motivated to go to a theater, and I expect a lot of people are the same. Gonna be some hard times for movies. Even the good ones.

I was gonna say, nobody's gone out and paid to see any movie that wasn't dinosaurs or giant robots or super-heroes for almost a decade, why focus only on the "agenda-driven" ones that underperform? It's just a fact that people no longer want to pay money for any movie that isn't a CGI-fest, period. If a movie isn't a CGI-fest, it will flop financially, unless it's made on a shoestring budget. End of. Only horror movies make money outside of the CGI-fest stuff because horror movies are made for no money and people expect them to be terrible so they go see them in spite of bad reviews, a luxury other types of movies do not have.

I personally don't care about any of these movies but Jesus Christ, people sure love to spend all their time "fighting agendas" and raging against said agendas and celebrating when said agendas fail. Who cares this much? It ain't healthy, man, go read a book. Who the f*ck tracks the Ins and Outs of a movie they themselves will never see, just to publicly dance a jig when it fails? You shouldn't even have ANY emotional investment whatsoever, at that point. Especially not to do it with MULTIPLE movies at a time. Even the people who get paid to do that, like the YouTube idiots, ought to just reevaluate their life choices entirely because it's just pointless.

The only reason I even know these movies exist, is because I see so many people cheering that they failed, because they "deserve" to fail for having the audacity to feature gay and black people.

Like, we get it, some of you don't like gay people and your acceptance of minorities is also case-by-case. Let them have their thing, and let it all play out Over There, it affects You not one bit. Whether it succeeds OR fails should have no impact on you at all, because You Are Not The Audience. The only reason to even care, especially out loud, is some certified "I mean, I'm not a bigot, BUT..." kinda sh*t.

You notice I don't repeatedly and outspokenly celebrate or cheerlead for MCU movies to fail financially. Reason is simple: I don't like them, and I'll never watch them. Therefore, their success OR failure ain't got sh*t to do with me at all. Likewise, if you're a straight white person, why so happy when movies aimed at non-straight, non-white people underperform? What's it got to do with you?

"It's totally not racism or homophobia, I'm just a really big fan of The Business!"

Right. Whatever helps people sleep I guess.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Why didn't those virtuous people also call out Viola Davis for cancellation like they do for anything else they pass judgement on?

There was a boycott of the movie at the time.
https://michiganchronicle.com/2022/1...g-controversy/

[Coola Yagami]

Playing Devil's Advocate here though...

The Woman King was based on a true story about slave traders that sold out their own kind, but in the movie they're the heroes fighting against slavery. Pretty much the Pocahontas situation where rape turned into a romance movie.

When first announced, it was pretty much the next Black Panther in terms of woke celebration. When smarter folks that knew their history looked into the real story and said 'hey wait a minute......' it fell apart from there.

The movie also had a very strong 'watch this movie or you're a racist' tone as most every article covering this or people behind the film kept tweeting that sort of thing. That always turns people off. But the biggest irony was that this time it was a lot of black people, the target audience, that refused to see this movie. I mean this time it was black people themselves doing the #boycottTheWomanKing hashtag.

As for Bros, right off the bat a lot of gay people were turned off by the super overly flaming 'all gays are manwhores' stereotypes and didn't go see it. Then the actor from the film started tweeting 'go watch this movie unless you're a homophobic bigot', and when the movie flopped, he started blaming straight people. Oh and to top it off, a lot of the woke gay people posted all over their socials that they wanted to see it, but were lazy to and wish it was just on Netflix or something. Virtue signaling, likes and retweets don't equal actual paid tickets, go figure. They like to virtue signal, but they never put their money where their mouth is.

Also the movie was super duper gay made by gays for gays. Sure, straight people can go see it too, but it was obviously a 'for the gays mostly' movie. The guy shouldn't act surprised that straight people didn't go to watch it.

I got a few gay folks in my family, one of them loved the movie, even thought they pointed out some of the over-exaggeration was annoying. But then after seeing the main actor whine like a little bitch online that his movie flopped, he started having second thoughts. I told him, 'eh if you liked the movie, you liked it, don't let that lil bitch ruin it for you, separate art from the artist if you think you can.'

Also the general consensus from what I hear is that the main actor was nowhere hot enough to be the star of the movie or be portraying the manwhore type cause 'I wouldn't sleep with him'. I guess it would be like a casting a romantic comedy about an overly desirable and overly promiscuous woman, but have her be played by Melissa McCarthy, but you know, playing it straight, as if she was superhot and bangable.

But anyways back to the point, this is a case where both movies failed their targeted audience (black people hated The Woman King, gays hated Bros) but they're blaming their non-existent audience that wasn't gonna watch anyway (people turned off by 'this isn't for you YOU but watch anyways or else you're racist/homophobic).

It'll take forever for woke Hollywood to learn their lesson. As long as they have their scapegoats ready more movies like this will continue to be made.

[Prowler]

I haven't been to the cinema since 2012. Which was when I went to watch The Hobbit movie.

In this streaming/digital era we're currently living, it's just easier and more convenient to watch everything at home.

Not that I've ever been much of a cinema goer anyway. I could probably name every single movie I've seen at the cinema in my lifetime. I'm not even sure if the number reaches 20.

I personally always felt the cinema was for special occasions and movies that you just knew were going to be epic. Like The Lord of the Rings, for example. And when I was a kid, obviously I enjoyed to watch animated Pixar films on the big screen.

There's movies that are enjoyable to watch on a weekend afternoon on TV if they happen to be on, but they're not the type of movies I'd pay to go see at the cinema.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm gonna go hit up Smile tomorrow and check it out. I just want to go out and about and I miss going to the movies and that one is the only movie I care enough about to go see.

[Leo656]

Coola: What's it got to do with You or I?

What would a hypothetical new Big Bird movie have to do with You or I? Would the fact that you loved Big Bird at age 3 mean you are somehow NOT a goober for obsessing over it at age 40 when it has nothing to do with you at all?

It's just spite for spite's sake. And further when the ONLY posts certain people make anymore is a daily "anti-woke" rant it makes me less and less inclined to wanna click on the threads they participate in because it is exhausting.

Do people not notice that even "not woke" movies these days are f*cking terrible? ALL movies are awful now, to blame it ALL on "the wokesters" is nonsense. Nobody likes a f*cking crusader no matter what the quest.

[Prowler]

I wouldn't even know of this movie if it wasn't for this thread. Shows how much in touch I am.

I'm not much of a movie and TV series guy anyway. Or haven't been so in at least a decade. I've never seen any of the popular Marvel movies from the last several years or TV shows like Game of Thrones.

As for the woke stuff, well obviously I avoid such works. I'm not going to watch something that I know won't be right up my alley. It would annoy me if it was done to a favourite property of mine, however. But I don't give a **** about Disney's Little Mermaid, so if it gets ruined by an agenda driven movie, who cares.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Coola: What's it got to do with You or I?

What would a hypothetical new Big Bird movie have to do with You or I? Would the fact that you loved Big Bird at age 3 mean you are somehow NOT a goober for obsessing over it at age 40 when it has nothing to do with you at all?

It's just spite for spite's sake. And further when the ONLY posts certain people make anymore is a daily "anti-woke" rant it makes me less and less inclined to wanna click on the threads they participate in because it is exhausting.

Do people not notice that even "not woke" movies these days are f*cking terrible? ALL movies are awful now, to blame it ALL on "the wokesters" is nonsense. Nobody likes a f*cking crusader no matter what the quest.

In the the grand scheme of things, those movies have nothing to do with You or I. I don't care beyond the fact that I will/will not pay to see whatever movie depending on the movie.

But you have to admit, at least 'regular movies' don't have that kind of 'watch this or you're this or that' kind of marketing. I don't remember any regular movie doing that kind of thing other than just advertising their movie. Like Jurassic Park and all it's sequels are pretty much 'look! dinosaurs!!!!'. I mean, even the most testosterone-pumped action movie doesn't go with 'watch this movie or else you're a wimpy girly-man!!!!' levels of marketing. I don't remember ever hearing Swartzanegger or Stallone calling their fans pussies or wimps if they don't watch their latest movies in interviews.

But yes, in the grand scheme of things, You are I got nothing to do with this and these movies won't succeed or fail just because I chose to watch one movie over the other.

[Leo656]

Prowler: S'what I'm saying, it's like a personal crusade/vendetta anymore with some people. I only know some of these movies exist because I see people Here going off about them.

Like as if Godzilla vs. Kong wasn't one of the worst movies made in years. Even not-woke movies are terrible because all Hollywood knows how to do is pander. And they pander to ALL demos. But what they do NOT do is practice Effort. They don't try to create good characters or tell good stories. But that's universal. Has less to do with "woke", everything to do with being lazy.

I'd suggest what we should crusade against is simply STUPID movies, but then there would be no MCU and the entire industry would collapse.

Coola: The Media is not The Movie. By all means, be annoyed at the inciteful people who stir up such nonsense on an individual level.

[Andrew NDB]

So what are the genuinely good movies that weren't woke that failed of late? I'm sure there's at least a couple, but I'm drawing a blank.