What REAL Proof do they actually have on Trump?

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's like the Russia collusion thing. They think if they believe in something hard enough, long enough, then that will will it into existence.

Reality doesn't work like that.

Nah man they don't even believe it. It's witch hunting - their hate runs so deep and so vapidly that they'll push any narrative and behind closed doors laugh and say to each other "who cares, the guy is an asshole".

And then they proceed to act like they aren't actually evil people.

[Galactus]

I'm not sure I understand the OP's question. The guy has been credibly accused of over 50 crimes while he was president so which one are we talking about?

If it's simply his involvement in January 6th we're talking about then there is a wealth of evidence from multiple testimonies from people who worked closely with him and his own daughter, text messages which showed that he wanted it to happen and even co-ordinated with some of the people on the ground and refused to do anything when people urged to try and calm things down.

There is a wealth of evidence not just in that case but almost all the stuff he's been accused of to send him to prison for the rest of his life. As I've said before lack of evidence is not really a problem; it's the fact that no with the correct authority wants to charge him.

Any kind of legal proceedings against a sitting or former president isn't done lightly. We know anytime impeachment proceedings happen that president gets a huge boost in popularity and it galvanises their supporters into thinking the whole thing is a witch hunt and unfair. The fear is always that it could lead to riots breaking out. January 6th was probably confirmation of a lot of people's worst fears around this. There is also the concern that sending a former president to prison (even if he deserves it) sets a dangerous precedent of leaders locking up their political opponents regardless of whether they committed a crime worthy of it. Remember Trump himself won on the promise that he would "lock her up".

The question is if Presidents are never going to be convicted of a serious crime why bother spending all this time and money on impeachments and hearings? The answer is it's for posterity. To as-good as officially acknowledge that the president did act improperly. It has to be said the severity of Trump's crimes is the only time in history that there is even a slight possibility someone might actually take the risk and charge him even if the possibility is still remote. While this means liberals shouldn't get excited at the prospect Trump going to prison every time some new legal action is launched against him it also means right wingers shouldn't gloat that there is no evidence he's committed any crime because there is literally TONS of it.

[ChosenOne]

Presumption of innocence. Look it up.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I'm not sure I understand the OP's question. The guy has been credibly accused of over 50 crimes while he was president so which one are we talking about?

I am forced to think that statement is in purposeful-disregard of the fact that there is a large cross-section of society that will say anything to harm someone they don't like. You clearly take the position of "credible accusation" as support for Trump-hate. But the left has done this with aggression now for six years:

-rallied peasant opinion for an impeachment that was ultimately ineffective
-claimed Russian collusion and created a probe that resulted in nothing (Mueller)
-unprecedented Presidential raid by the FBI resulting so far in nothing
And these things built on a foundation of constant smokescreen calls of "evil" and "bad orange man!" to pad the alleged actionable-items.

It's very simple. Of the left you have the manipulators and the manipulated who aren't operating in a sense of reality. Instead operating in purely directed-anger using the only method the liberal-brain is disposed to - and that is to throw any $#!( at the wall and see what sticks. And in the end, the only thing the liberal-brain has done has created a wall covered in $#!(. It's truly irrational and psychopathic.

Everyone makes mistakes, even blasé ones that could somehow border on criminal. Everyone. But what normal, good people do is let others live and only begin to talk about crime when a truly actionable thing appears to have taken place. But what the life-angry-left do to people is that they just start one bombardment after another to harm someone until finally any one of their accusations stick. This tactic can bring anyone down, that's why they do it. It doesn't mean the left is correct - it just means that they are littered with enemy-combatant-@$$holes.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Presumption of innocence. Look it up.

Presumption of innocence doesn't you don't investigate someone who is suspected of committing a crime.

Presumption of innocence doesn't mean you ignore of mountains of evidence.

Like I said the reason Trump isn't being charged and will likely never be charged of any serious crime isn't due to lack of evidence, it's the long held fear that going after a former president would cause mass amounts of chaos. January 6th proved that those fears were sadly well founded. It's why Nixon was pardoned and why likely no one will touch Trump despite that we know he's guilty of multiple crimes that should normally see him in prison.

Originally Posted by IMJ

But see, what you aren't realizing or maybe are even in purposeful-disregard is that there is a large cross-section of society that will say anything to harm someone they don't like.

You clearly take the position of "credible accusation" as support for your own hate towards Trump. But the left has done this with aggression now for six year...

This from the side that invented qanon a bonkers false reality were every public figure they don't like is a satanic paedophile that drinks the blood of their victims to weaken the white race to serve their Jewish overlords. This from the side that refused to accept that politicians they don't like can win elections so always cry that it was stolen without a single shred of proof. Please.

The description that Trump has been credibly accused of over 50 crimes doesn't come from me, it comes actual legal experts. Obviously we're not going to go through all of them here so let's just stick to the three big ones:

January 6th
That was always an open and shut case. Incitement is a crime and people have been charged for less than what Trump said in his speech that day. They could get him in that alone but the hearings have produced enough evidence from testimonies from people who worked with him, his own daughter and even text messages which show to show the whole thing was planned by him.

Stealing classified documents
This is also an open and shut case. He took classified documents and when the FBI asked twice for him to return them he refused so they got a warrant and took them back themselves. He doesn't deny taking them his defense is that Obama also took documents with him after he left the White House and that he declassified them anyway - both claims are false and wouldn't clear him anyway.

Collusion with Russia
I'll give ya this. There is no solid evidence that Trump colluded with Russia in their attempt to spread disinformation to influence the 2016 presidential election. That however does not mean the Russia probe turned up nothing at all. It was proven that several people in the Trump campaign did indeed collude with Russia. I'm perfectly fine with the idea that people in his campaign were colluding with a foreign power and he was too dumb to notice...but then Trump suspended the investigation before they could finish. If that was any Democrat president the right would be pointing out how sketchy that is. Either he did collude with Russia and he stopped the probe just as they were getting close to the truth or he was sparing himself the embarrassment of even more people in his campaign being exposed and him being too much of idiot to know what was going on underneath his nose.

As I keep pointing out him not being charged does not mean there isn't enough evidence to charge him with multiple crimes. I know you liked him because he owned the libs or whatever but at some point you've got to join the sane people in realising the Emporor isn't wearing any clothes.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I know you liked him because he owned the libs or whatever but at some point you've got to join the sane people in realising the Emporor isn't wearing any clothes.

People liked him because he pretty much made everything more affordable, gave black people more jobs than even Obama did (under whom black unemployment was higher than it was under Bush), showed the other world leaders that he didn’t take crap from anyone, and tackled on the border crisis. Sure, making the entire Establishment cry is satisfying, but that’s not the sole reason why half the country liked Trump. And since you’ve listed Trump’s crimes, go ahead and list Biden’s, too, while you’re at it. By your logic and reasoning, both should be in jail right now. In fact, a lot of politicians should be behind bars instead of running this country.

And by the way, the Emperor is in fact wearing clothes; in fact, he’s wearing a dress and full-on makeup. And everyone can see it, but they’re too scared to say anything “too controversial”.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Blah, blah, blah...

Ergo, you clearly don't undestand the concept behind presumption of innocence. I sincerely hope you're never in a position to need it.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Presumption of innocence doesn't you don't investigate someone who is suspected of committing a crime.

Presumption of innocence doesn't mean you ignore of mountains of evidence.

Like I said the reason Trump isn't being charged and will likely never be charged of any serious crime isn't due to lack of evidence, it's the long held fear that going after a former president would cause mass amounts of chaos. January 6th proved that those fears were sadly well founded. It's why Nixon was pardoned and why likely no one will touch Trump despite that we know he's guilty of multiple crimes that should normally see him in prison.



This from the side that invented qanon a bonkers false reality were every public figure they don't like is a satanic paedophile that drinks the blood of their victims to weaken the white race to serve their Jewish overlords. This from the side that refused to accept that politicians they don't like can win elections so always cry that it was stolen without a single shred of proof. Please.

The description that Trump has been credibly accused of over 50 crimes doesn't come from me, it comes actual legal experts. Obviously we're not going to go through all of them here so let's just stick to the three big ones:

January 6th
That was always an open and shut case. Incitement is a crime and people have been charged for less than what Trump said in his speech that day. They could get him in that alone but the hearings have produced enough evidence from testimonies from people who worked with him, his own daughter and even text messages which show to show the whole thing was planned by him.

Stealing classified documents
This is also an open and shut case. He took classified documents and when the FBI asked twice for him to return them he refused so they got a warrant and took them back themselves. He doesn't deny taking them his defense is that Obama also took documents with him after he left the White House and that he declassified them anyway - both claims are false and wouldn't clear him anyway.

Collusion with Russia
I'll give ya this. There is no solid evidence that Trump colluded with Russia in their attempt to spread disinformation to influence the 2016 presidential election. That however does not mean the Russia probe turned up nothing at all. It was proven that several people in the Trump campaign did indeed collude with Russia. I'm perfectly fine with the idea that people in his campaign were colluding with a foreign power and he was too dumb to notice...but then Trump suspended the investigation before they could finish. If that was any Democrat president the right would be pointing out how sketchy that is. Either he did collude with Russia and he stopped the probe just as they were getting close to the truth or he was sparing himself the embarrassment of even more people in his campaign being exposed and him being too much of idiot to know what was going on underneath his nose.

As I keep pointing out him not being charged does not mean there isn't enough evidence to charge him with multiple crimes. I know you liked him because he owned the libs or whatever but at some point you've got to join the sane people in realising the Emporor isn't wearing any clothes.

And he is guilty of none of that.... zero actual evidence. Lol. Keep crying.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

And he is guilty of none of that.... zero actual evidence. Lol. Keep crying.

Can't even get him for jaywalking, yet they somehow think that makes him the Devil. Oy... The Inquisition's coming back into style.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Can't even get him for jaywalking, yet they somehow think that makes him the Devil. Oy... The Inquisition's coming back into style.

This probably encapsulates everything right here.

[Coola Yagami]

Orange Man is apparently unbanned from Twitter.

[1987]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Orange Man is apparently unbanned from Twitter.

Yep, heee’s baaaack!

Though he’s said he may not even use it, funny too see his old tweets getting retweeted. Angry liberals are already dying from old Trump tweets, some have threatened to leave Twitter over Trump getting his account back.

Interesting how his last few tweets specifically says remain peaceful, no violence, debunks every lie from the J6 committee.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Galactus

This from the side that invented qanon a bonkers false reality

I stopped reading your entire post the moment you put me into "the side" thus demonstrating that you are a complete f'n idiot who only thinks in black and white. Thus my point about how you think. I am not even remotely a q-anon, MAGA rallier. Not even remotely. And I'll take you one step further on that you tool - the people you think you are sided against barely exist in reality. You just thrust individuals into how your limited schema can create the heuristic.

This is what I am always trying to point out - these people - we know them here as "Voltron" and "Indigo" and "Galactus" - their opinions - get ready for it - don't matter because they aren't even born of cogent positioning.

For everyone else here who doesn't understand this - everyone's opinions don't count when the opinion is born of false reality. It's immediately negated. This is why we don't listen to the opinions-of-complexity of crazy people. On either side.

I would challenge someone here - anyone - to correctly interpret and summarize what I am saying here.

[ChosenOne]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...wsuit-93899521

Welp, they have him now!/s

The timing of the charges and the new law is certainly interesting.

[Vegita-San]

my question is, why did this take so long if so air tight?

"A window for such suits will open for one year, after which the usual time limits will be reinstated."

yeah, that's not shifty at all..

and if this is made up, someone on the dems payroll is REALLY trying to dig down deep to get ANYTHING on this guy.
there really should be a law that if you can't prove something after 5 years of non stop harassment, you should have to stop.

[ChosenOne]

They could at least try a different approach. Keep it fresh for our entertainment, you know? The sexual assault thing's been done before, didn't work and actually even backfired on the Dems.

[1987]

So now they’re calling Trump “anti-semetic” for having Kanye West over for dinner at Mar-A-Lago and “holocaust denier” Nick Fuentes.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by IMJ

I stopped reading your entire post the moment you put me into "the side" thus demonstrating that you are a complete f'n idiot who only thinks in black and white

He is a typical lefty, childish and easily manipulated.

Originally Posted by Galactus

January 6th
That was always an open and shut case. Incitement is a crime and people have been charged for less than what Trump said in his speech that day. They could get him in that alone but the hearings have produced enough evidence from testimonies from people who worked with him, his own daughter and even text messages which show to show the whole thing was planned by him.

Yet, none resulted in anything substantial, because, I guess, evidence sucks. Giving Leftards passion for jailing Trump, they could have used already, but it seems nothing had happened. Obvious conclusion is that either Leftards incapable of following through with their threats or they do not want to, which rises the question "why?".

Originally Posted by Galactus

Stealing classified documents
This is also an open and shut case. He took classified documents and when the FBI asked twice for him to return them he refused so they got a warrant and took them back themselves. He doesn't deny taking them his defense is that Obama also took documents with him after he left the White House and that he declassified them anyway - both claims are false and wouldn't clear him anyway.

And nothing had happened again.
Seems none evidence again, except delusions of Leftards with TDS.

Originally Posted by Galactus

Collusion with Russia
I'll give ya this. There is no solid evidence that Trump colluded with Russia in their attempt to spread disinformation to influence the 2016 presidential election. That however does not mean the Russia probe turned up nothing at all.

The truth had been found though: it was Hilarity's allies who ordered creation of "Russian dossier" (famous pee-pee tapes). Ex-Russian agent basically made up fan fiction, sold it to Democrats, hoping they will be too retarded to actually use it. Dems ended being indeed retarded and used it, but when its origins where checked, well, it led to this ex-agent.

So, technically it is Hilarity and her rotten allies, which should be condemned for libel, but we know it won't happen. Silver lining is that Hilarity is finished as a politician anyway, so fabrication didn't help her at all.

Originally Posted by Galactus

It was proven that several people in the Trump campaign did indeed collude with Russia. I'm perfectly fine with the idea that people in his campaign were colluding with a foreign power and he was too dumb to notice...but then Trump suspended the investigation before they could finish.

And what about Hunter Biden and his notebook?

[Vegita-San]

i'm loving the new twitter. no fear of being banned for 'wrong think'
Also people are free to post video of the rioters being calmly lead into the building. it's an open and shut case that this was staged with bad actors at this point.

[ChosenOne]

In the end, they have nothing but unwarranted outrage. No evidence, no morals, no nuts (okay, maybe plenty of nuts). Just overgrown, sputtering children throwing a tantrum.