What REAL Proof do they actually have on Trump?

[Vegita-San]

because these people have tds. they think that even dragging his name up with 'bad press' will damage him. But, all they've done, is prove they are idiots, and made him stronger. and turning people against the democrats. afew youtube channels I watch stated they used to be democrats, but arn't any longer.

this is the disease that is woke. makes you deranged and dumb.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

So why was it such a big deal? People have been bitching about his tax returns for years. And then they were metaphorically dancing with glee as they counted down the days that they were going to be released.

Because it was believed that the tax returns would contain proof of criminal activity on his part...which contrary to what Vegita-San says they did.

As I keep pointing out on here having proof that Trump committing crimes means nothing unless the relevant authorities are willing to prosecute him for those crimes. We've discussed the reasons why they haven't so far: firstly the belief is that by locking up former presidents - even if it's justified - opens the door to future governments unjustly locking up their political rivals. Secondly there is the simple fact is when a politician of high office is pursued in this way it emboldens their supporters and the fear is it can potentially lead to a violent insurrection. This has been a long held fear which has seen numerous politicians get away with committing crimes. January 6th was basically a sad realisation of many of those fears.

Now I've said before that the scale of Trump's crimes may be so big that for the first time in history someone may have the guts to actually prosecute but it will likely be for something small scale like the tax evasion shown in his returns rather than the more extreme stuff that may see him go to prison. The idea would be that it will stop him from running for president again but since he'd be free his supporters may not end taking up arms again.

Still even that scenario is unlikely. While this means liberals shouldn't be waiting with glee for Trump to be indicted it also means right wingers shouldn't brainwash themselves that just because he's not in prison means he didn't do anything wrong.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Galactus

While this means liberals shouldn't be waiting with glee for Trump to be indicted it also means right wingers shouldn't brainwash themselves that just because he's not in prison means he didn't do anything wrong.

I agree. Bill and Hillary Clinton aren’t in prison but that doesn’t mean they’re innocent. In fact, how many politicians should be in jail right now instead of running this country?

“Now I oughta throw the whole […] jacked-up bunch of you in prison. Not that cushy federal place with the loose jumpsuits. State prison... with the crotch binders!”
-Governor Lewis, Evolution

[Andrew NDB]

The odds of any tax evasion are slim to none. The left continues to have this really bizarre idea that come every tax season, Trump himself is like huddled over his books in a dark room alone, cooking up lies and schemes to illegally avoid taxes. And not just, you know, every year Trump hiring and having the best most competent tax law attorneys money can buy doing his taxes for him, using every legal caveat available.

And even if they did find something dodgy which I doubt, Trump could just sue whatever tax law attorneys prepared his taxes for whatever year. It'd be like paying H&R Block to do your taxes one year and it turns out one year they accidentally stiffed the government for a bunch of money, or they forgot to include one of the W2s you gave them. That isn't on you, that's on H&R Block.

This is really very simple stuff.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Because it was believed that the tax returns would contain proof of criminal activity on his part...

You just want to find something, anything, on him sooo bad that you're even willing to see and believe stuff that’s just not there. You're not hurting Trump. You'll never hurt Trump. There's nothing to find. You're only hurting yourself.

[joe-eyeball]

The tax thing with Trump has always made me laugh! He has hired many professionals that do his taxes that find loopholes for all of his deductions. It’s not Don and Melania sitting down at the kitchen table in April sweating on what to do next! Even if they do find discrepancies the IRS won’t prosecute at all! They will just send a tax bill to the necessary parties. Prosecution takes time and costs money. It’s easier to just say hey pay this or else!

[Vegita-San]

and also, his supporters did not take up arms. they where the peacful protestors. the ones that did the damage where the antifa infiltrators.

[joe-eyeball]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

and also, his supporters did not take up arms. they where the peacful protestors. the ones that did the damage where the antifa infiltrators.

My thoughts on that are simply this: if the riots that occurred during the summer of 2020 protests were mostly peaceful then so was January 6th. The overwhelming majority of people that were there outside the Capital on that day didn’t do anything destructive, as is true for the summer protests. That’s not to say we should disregard any wrongdoing that took place in either case, but you’d have to be brain dead to either not see or just blatantly ignore the hypocrisy of all of this.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by joe-eyeball

My thoughts on that are simply this: if the riots that occurred during the summer of 2020 protests were mostly peaceful then so was January 6th. The overwhelming majority of people that were there outside the Capital on that day didn’t do anything destructive, as is true for the summer protests. That’s not to say we should disregard any wrongdoing that took place in either case, but you’d have to be brain dead to either not see or just blatantly ignore the hypocrisy of all of this.

To be fair, with that many people over at J9, if it wasn't a 'peaceful protest', the Capital would have been demolished. Not to the ground mind you, but countless counts of destruction and vandalism. More than just some selfies and putting your feet up on Pelosi's desk, the one person everyone suddenly forgot they hated.

[joe-eyeball]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

To be fair, with that many people over at J9, if it wasn't a 'peaceful protest', the Capital would have been demolished. Not to the ground mind you, but countless counts of destruction and vandalism. More than just some selfies and putting your feet up on Pelosi's desk, the one person everyone suddenly forgot they hated.

Exactly! I mean the whole of congress went back into that very same building hours later and took care of business! We certainly couldn’t say the same for some people that lost their businesses and also in an especially unique case in Washington where several city blocks were taken over and occupied for weeks! Many will still remember it all as “The Summer of Love” and January 6th as the absolute most horribly disgusting and darkest day where we almost lost it all event!

[IndigoErth]

Those who stayed out there protesting, not attacking anyone, are not the problem. Those people are fine. But far too many got swept up in participating in the mob riot, beating police to a pulp, breaking windows and entering the Capitol, trashing the place, threatening the lives of law makers... To still insist it was antifa because you don't like the truth -- come on.

Is it really so damaging to some people's world view to accept that yes, Trump supporters who seriously lost control of themselves, who YOU (rhetorically speaking) were presumably not involved with and not accountable for in any way, did that? If not... what's up with the group think and shoving away "guilt" for the events of that day by pretending it had to be someone else, when that guilt for what they did wasn't ever yours?

Exact same with other protests. Those who did so peacefully are fine. Convict the ones who caused chaos and harm. There is a line that shouldn't be crossed and I don't care who is crossing it, there should be no excuse.

I can understand not wanting the truth to be what it is or still supporting a politician or party even despite it, but pretending the truth is different than what it is as if your life depends on it...wtf.

Am I sitting here pretending Biden didn't have documents in his garage that should have been in D.C. or at the very least returned when his term as VP was ending? Or pretending they must have been planted? No. I'm not. Accountability all around, no matter who does it. It doesn't sound like he had much, and doesn't sound like he's fighting it or demanding that they belong to him, unlike that other guy, and I'm not going to assume there was malicious intent unless that come to light, but if he shouldn't have them he's accountable for them being in his possession no matter if there was any ill intent or not.

[ChosenOne]

Legend has it Brandon was watching True Lies one time, took the skeevy car salesman's line about Corvettes to heart, went out and bought one the very next day, and he now likes to drive it slowly past the local playgrounds.

[RaphaelinSTL]

**** Trump.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

**** Trump.

Thank you for such an eloquent, substantial and edifying contribution.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

**** Trump.

Not even if he paid me.

[Vegita-San]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...PmfO5M6c6OjqmI


aaaand it begins. watch them try too remove him o ver this and install the 'first female president'. who will undoubtably be under even a tigher leash than he was, being even dumber.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...PmfO5M6c6OjqmI


aaaand it begins. watch them try too remove him o ver this and install the 'first female president'. who will undoubtably be under even a tigher leash than he was, being even dumber.

They were already eager to get rid of the demented old potato since the moment he was sworn in.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Thank you for such an eloquent, substantial and edifying contribution.

I... nah, it's too easy.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

Not even if he paid me.

Notice he didn't specify which Trump. If Ivanka's on the table, I’m in.

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

They were already eager to get rid of the demented old potato since the moment he was sworn in.

Baked potato, and Kamala's the sour cream.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I... nah, it's too easy.

Still not as easy as the other guy's remark. (shrugs)

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Baked potato, and Kamala's the sour cream.

I'm sure Kamala is full of some sort of cream....