DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie

[AquaParade]

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[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Turo602

It's hard to view this as just "one good movie" because it's clearly not a standalone film. This isn't like the Raimi Spider-Man films or the Keaton Batman movies that can exist in their own bubble. This is an event film that can only exist as part of a larger universe.

Zod's presence here is just a reminder of a world that barely started and is now being erased. People can't just ignore that. Same with Ben Affleck's Batman who we know won't exist after this and for what? A Flash actor nobody likes right now and Supergirl? The fact that Michael Keaton's return as Batman is muddled with all this sh*t is really sad.

As poor of a secret it was, it says a lot that Marvel didn't rely on Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield for No Way Home's marketing, meanwhile Michael Keaton is the only saving grace for this nothing of a film.

I can easily ignore that and just appreciate one film of it’s own accord just fine. I liked some of the previous films in this universe and disliked others. I really do just take one film at a time, but like I said, I get that some people feel differently. We’re in the age of “what does this lead to?” instead of “what is this?”

The DCEU was always a mess. If people want a successful cohesive universe, this version has to go. This film being a send-off for that is fine by me, personally. As long as it’s executed well.

I watch hundreds of movies in which I know the main characters “won’t exist” after, because there are no sequels. It’s fine.
Besides, who really knows if we will see these characters again. Everything is a multiverse now.

Michael Keaton isn’t the only thing I’m looking forward to. Affleck looks awesome here and the Man of Steel parallels have potential. That element doesn’t give me PTSD because Cavill is gone. I just think it’s cool. I think Ezra acted well here, and the trailer didn’t hide him.

I get it - some people really want to invest in a shared universe and feel jerked around. I’m not in that camp. I am thinking “oh, the guy who directed “it” is making a DC multiverse film? This looks pretty good. I’ll check it out”. Different strokes I guess.


Anyway, it seems this film will be just fine, despite everyone predicting the roof was caving in on it. The general reaction is quite positive.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

That’s only true if your only investment in this film is in its sequels. I’m fine with this just being one good movie, if that’s all it is. There’s a whole new slate after this and a giant reset. It’s about time, so that’s fine with me.

I’m sure you’re not alone but that’s how I see it.

Yeah, I think it’ll do okay too. Who knows how big a success but I think it’ll at least make some profit. Far from the trash fire that was being predicted just a few weeks ago.

That's kind of outlining my point. This used to be a springboard for a lot of things, including a leading into some kind of Crisis movie. That's all gone now. It's just a standalone reset now, and it wasn't even going to be a reset originally. There isn't anything branching off from this. Even the Supergirl movie, Gunn has said maybe its this chick or maybe its not.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That's kind of outlining my point. This used to be a springboard for a lot of things, including a leading into some kind of Crisis movie. That's all gone now. It's just a standalone reset now, and it wasn't even going to be a reset originally. There isn't anything branching off from this. Even the Supergirl movie, Gunn has said maybe its this chick or maybe its not.

It was meant to be a springboard to other things but it seems those elements have been curbed in reshoots and the editing room. Now it’s more like closing a chapter, but it’s still potentially laying groundwork for the future, being that may just be in the form of cleaning the path ahead.

I do understand the desire for a shared universe but I just don’t feel that strongly about it. Not to the extent that I can’t enjoy a film unless it’s a springboard for what comes next. Personal difference I suppose.

[Andrew NDB]

Personal differences aren't relevant here. We're getting a shared universe. Some kind of motley thing that hasn't even really taken shape yet. But it's happening and thankfully the rules and bars on the walls are being set in ways they weren't before.

This movie should give us some idea of how it's supposed to go. Which again, this movie was never designed to do. Whatever we get of that, we have to assume is post-Gunn reshoot stuff. The pre-Gunn reshoot stuff was to get us excited for the Cavill Superman movie.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

It was meant to be a springboard to other things but it seems those elements have been curbed in reshoots and the editing room. Now it’s more like closing a chapter, but it’s still potentially laying groundwork for the future, being that may just be in the form of cleaning the path ahead.

I do understand the desire for a shared universe but I just don’t feel that strongly about it. Not to the extent that I can’t enjoy a film unless it’s a springboard for what comes next. Personal difference I suppose.

I think it's more of a matter that usually these movies are springboards for more things, and even if you're trying to enjoy it as a stand-alone film, it's difficult to ignore all the hints and clues and post credit scenes and whatever else that point to future films.

Kinda like how Amazing Spider-Man 2 was too busy advertising it's sequel that never came to be, rather than focus on its own movie.

So I'm guess this Supergirl isn't so much an alternate version of Supergirl, but more of a 'what if instead of a Superman we had a Supergirl from the getgo'. Not sure how I feel about that. It gives me Indiana Jones vibes, and it's a hell of a **** you kind of way to show Cavill Superman the door.

[Andrew NDB]

Basically straight up: this movie was designed to give a "what if" Supergirl if she came here and Kal-El didn't. That's it. The rub will be if this makes a lot of money. That's why Gunn isn't committing on saying much about this Supergirl movie they've already announced. All it has to do is not fail and bam... there's your Supergirl. Or something. If not, we get a blond Asian maybe.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Anyway, it seems this film will be just fine, despite everyone predicting the roof was caving in on it. The general reaction is quite positive.

The reaction for every Snyderverse movie online was positive, and then none of them turned up to watch the movies.

Man of Steel underperforming is what led to all this, so the solution now is to give us Man of Steel again but with tits?

[Zulithe]

I have to see it simply for Keaton Batman. Batman 89/Batman Returns/Batman TAS trifecta are as ingrained into me as TMNT and Keaton is in great shape for his age, he can totally still be a believable "aging" Batman and I'm here for it!

I'd really love to see him play Bruce in a Batman Beyond movie series but maybe we can get there after this.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Not gonna lie, I'm kinda excited for this. Seeing Keaton in the suit again and is all calm with what he's going up against made me smile.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Personal differences aren't relevant here. We're getting a shared universe. Some kind of motley thing that hasn't even really taken shape yet. But it's happening and thankfully the rules and bars on the walls are being set in ways they weren't before.

This movie should give us some idea of how it's supposed to go. Which again, this movie was never designed to do. Whatever we get of that, we have to assume is post-Gunn reshoot stuff. The pre-Gunn reshoot stuff was to get us excited for the Cavill Superman movie.

Personal differences seem relevant to me. Some of you guys think this movie is pointless because the universe it originally meant to be a part of is ending.

I don’t care about that. It doesn’t affect my enjoyment of this movie. I’d say that’s a personal difference. I just want this to be one good movie. I don’t care what it sets up or doesn’t.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I think it's more of a matter that usually these movies are springboards for more things, and even if you're trying to enjoy it as a stand-alone film, it's difficult to ignore all the hints and clues and post credit scenes and whatever else that point to future films.

Kinda like how Amazing Spider-Man 2 was too busy advertising it's sequel that never came to be, rather than focus on its own movie.

So I'm guess this Supergirl isn't so much an alternate version of Supergirl, but more of a 'what if instead of a Superman we had a Supergirl from the getgo'. Not sure how I feel about that. It gives me Indiana Jones vibes, and it's a hell of a **** you kind of way to show Cavill Superman the door.

I’m pretty sure they aren’t leaving in any cliffhangers or set-ups for projects this film is no longer connected to. Word is they removed characters from the ending who are no longer staying, etc

ASM2 still thought it was setting something up when it hit theaters. This one is being edited with knowledge of what it needs to be.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The reaction for every Snyderverse movie online was positive, and then none of them turned up to watch the movies.

Man of Steel underperforming is what led to all this, so the solution now is to give us Man of Steel again but with tits?

That’s not true. Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, Aquaman all did very well at box office. What’chu talking bout Willis?

And films such as Birds of Prey or JL has very mixed online reception before their fall.

A Flash multiverse movie with two Batmen, two Flash, and Supergirl is “Man of Steel with tits”?

I gotta be honest. I think you just wanted to type “Man of Steel again but with tits”. It is fun. But that’s clearly not what the movie is. That’s one element.

If this film crashes and burns I will eat crow. But I still think you were wrong to use the “this is fine” meme when I said it’d do well. I think it’ll be successful.

[ZariusTwo]

Upon seeing the trailer, I've come away with this overwhelming gut instinct this won't be a massive hit.

Miller's obvious PR image aside, it has every element that online fandom claims to love and want more of, but often never manifest in positive box office numbers from them.

A Man of Steel redux as the crux of your action/adventure element? Warner almost kind of vindicate Snyder's ideas by doing this because it shows even when you're trying to move away from his vision, you...evidently can't? He lives in their heads rent free still.

I feel like the CW deserves a big hand for already normalising and preparing the casual fan for a Flashpoint and Elseworlds angle. I haven't seen one online reaction so far from those sorts of fans that isn't clued in on how these normally go.

As for Keaton, Zod, Affleck etc...I don't know. I believe all of this would have worked better if they had kept it secret, which is impossible, but look at the lengths Sony and Marvel went to in No Way Home with the worst kept secret in cinema back in 2021. At best THAT secret was spilled on salt shaker sources like reddit and tweets from 'insiders' that you could take or leave, it's another thing entirely to make all of this public now. It shows while they have faith in the film's quality to have Gunn champion it, they have no faith in all the elements that would make seeing it for the first time unspoiled a treat.

[AquaParade]

WB just doesn’t have that trust with the audience that Marvel does. This can be the greatest film in the world and they still need to convince us. They’ve been too inconsistent in the past to do minimal marketing. Has less to do with this film and more to do with their broken audience loyalty.

As for CW preparing people for this, that’s funny. I don’t think enough people watch CW for that to matter, but I guess it prepped whoever saw that show and didn’t already know about multiverse stuff. Probably Marvel informed more people over the last couple years and everyone else can understand the basic concept pretty quickly.

I guess I don’t want to give CW any credit because it’s unwatchable.

I don’t know if this film will be a “massive hit” or if it even needs to be. I think it just needs to make a healthy profit and win some audience points for the future.

I just am confident it’s not going to be the trash fire some people were implying a couple weeks ago. “Won’t be a massive hit” seems like a good step up from that.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Zulithe

I have to see it simply for Keaton Batman. Batman 89/Batman Returns/Batman TAS trifecta are as ingrained into me as TMNT and Keaton is in great shape for his age, he can totally still be a believable "aging" Batman and I'm here for it!

I'd really love to see him play Bruce in a Batman Beyond movie series but maybe we can get there after this.

Me too - I mean they cut a great trailer and it's clear that Keaton is doing more than just a cameo here.

But the Supergirl thing just reeks of chubby-emo-SJW. It'd be cool if they put Keaton in a suit that he could "move" in though.

[Autbot_Benz]

[AquaParade]

Those aren’t bad. I love how that’s the most Keaton-expression ever. Probably to help clarify this isn’t Pattinson or Affleck.

Keaton just casually strolling into a comic book film, as Batman, in 2023. It’s wild. I guess I’m sort of numb to onslaught of surprise characters that keep appearing in modem comic books movies, because I think it’s great to see Keaton back but it’s also sort of just washing over me. I need the actual execution to win me over I suppose.

But ****, this guy was my first on-screen superhero. My memories of his films go back as early as possible. I remember being jealous of Star Wars fans when they saw Han Solo return after all that time. Now we are basically getting that treatment across the board. It’s the trend. Almost makes me hold my breath to see the 1990 TMNT back, but I won’t dare. That’d be the grand finale of the nostalgia-trend for me.

[CyberCubed]

Man they know what they are doing having Keaton smile in the Batman outfit. He's the only Batman to ever do that.

[ChosenOne]

WB looks like it's trying to do Secret Wars before Secret Wars.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

WB looks like it's trying to do Secret Wars before Secret Wars.

Eh This movie has been in development for a lot longer than Secret Wars was "official". I def think that WB would've beaten Marvel to the "multiverse punch" here had things not held this movie up. Actually in some ways they did beat Marvel to it with the Batman/Flash scene in Dawn of Justice.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Eh This movie has been in development for a lot longer than Secret Wars was "official". I def think that WB would've beaten Marvel to the "multiverse punch" here had things not held this movie up. Actually in some ways they did beat Marvel to it with the Batman/Flash scene in Dawn of Justice.

I kinda feel this movie dabbled more with multi-verse than Spider-Man did. All Spider-Man did was bring in all 3 Spiders from the dif movies into the MCU and their villains.

This movie has Flash meet and work alongside himself, go to an alternate Gotham where Keaton is Batman and I assume go to an alternate 'modern day' where this Supergirl is there instead of Superman. It's wackier and more ambitious. I guess it's like No Way Home mixed with Multiverse of Madness.