Ant Man 3

[ZariusTwo]

Reps says the incident was caused by the woman having an 'emotional crisis'

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/j...ce-1235564860/

[ChosenOne]

What happened to "Believe all women"?

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Reps says the incident was caused by the woman having an 'emotional crisis'

Surrrrrrrrrrrre.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Alright, I’m comfortable now cementing that I feel like they do in fact need a commercial comeback.

Their trajectory is horrible. Someone should make a graph.

We're still talking about Ant-Man here. Like the franchise was never a huge seller for Marvel to begin with even during Phase 3 when it seemed MCU hype had almost all of their movies grossing up to a billion. I'd also point out that was after people were writing them after a bunch of movies were perceived as lackluster in Phase 2.

If Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 and Spider-Man 4 end up under-performing I'd say they have a huge problem but until then I see nothing but a bit of audience fatigue.

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

What happened to "Believe all women"?

The idea behind "believe all women" is that their claims of assault are taken seriously and handled sensitively not that we have to literally believe everything they say.

As for Majors; innocent until proven guilty and all that but I think the best approach is to delay the two Avengers movies they have planned with him in. If by then he's found not guilty then great and proceed as planned and if not recast which I'm sure would be accepted by the public considering he's only been in one movie and that had multiple different versions of Kang.

Personally I think it was slight panic that made Marvel Studios green light those two Avengers movies. The Kang Dynasty you could pretty much do at any time but personally I'd prefer any adaption of Secret Wars happen after they have set up The Fantastic Four (and maybe even the X-Men) and have a couple of their movies under their belt. I imagine it was their intention to have Kang fill in Doom's role in Secret Wars...and that would be fine enough but it would please comic fans to have a somewhat accurate adaption with Doom as the villain plus having Avengers, Fantastic Four and X-Men in a movie would be bigger than Infinity War and Endgame.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Galactus

The idea behind "believe all women" is that their claims of assault are taken seriously and handled sensitively not that we have to literally believe everything they say.

Once again you're behind your current postulates of your own ideology.
Shame on you.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Once again you're behind your current postulates of your own ideology.
Shame on you.

Yup. Another leftist disingenuously clarifies the meaning of their manipulation as it suits them.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Galactus

The idea behind "believe all women" is that their claims of assault are taken seriously and handled sensitively not that we have to literally believe everything they say.

Want them to be taken seriously, maybe don't make up claims to hurt men in very public instances such as Ms. Indelible-On-The-Hippocampus and the serial abuser formerly known as Johnny Depp's wife.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Yup. Another leftist disingenuously clarifies the meaning of their manipulation as it suits them.

Yep. Back you go, Galactus. Back to TheMarySue or CNN for reprogramming. Your leftist firmware is outdated.

[AquaParade]

I like how I called out the shite cgi in this trailer as soon as it dropped, while people were needing out over Kang and the illusion of high-stakes storytelling, then a couple months later, the visual effects head is fired (Alonso).

Master critic right here. “That painting is bad. This food is bad.”

[IMJ]

-shrugs-

Marvel VFX have been $#!( across many of their releases. This is nothing new. Since at least late 2018 I've been talking about how Black Panther looked like a 1990's sci-fi TV show with some of the worst matte work in film.

Recognizing Marvel's bad VFX isn't an intellectual feat. The only thing it does is separate someone from the "drones" who come out of every movie saying "it was the best Marvel movie YET!"

[AquaParade]

Bro, you called a slate with Superman, Batman, Robin, Green Lantern, and Swamp Thing a slate of “D-listers”. You’re still on “time out” with me.

Black Panther looked awful in the final act but it wasn’t 2+ hours of volume green screen. It’s still a visually pleasing film in many ways.
It was clear to me from the ant-man trailer that we were reaching new lows.

Aaaaand she’s gone. I’m on a roll.

[ZariusTwo]

Marvel's chairman has been sacked

https://deadline.com/2023/03/marvel-...ey-1235312663/

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Marvel's chairman has been sacked

https://deadline.com/2023/03/marvel-...ey-1235312663/

It's sort of like Putin, though. If he goes away, are we pretty sure it won't be someone worse who takes his place?

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Yup. Another leftist disingenuously clarifies the meaning of their manipulation as it suits them.

Ya got me. I'm disingenuously misrepresenting the meaning of the phrase "believe all women" to lull everyone into a false sense of security so that we can all be accused of abuse...even though as a man that will affect me to.

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Want them to be taken seriously, maybe don't make up claims to hurt men in very public instances such as Ms. Indelible-On-The-Hippocampus and the serial abuser formerly known as Johnny Depp's wife.

There is a very small number of false claims of abuse made by women. It would probably help you if the example you gave was accurate. You do realise that Depp vs Heard case never definitely disproved that the earlier ruling in the case against The S*n newspaper that Depp had been physically abusive at least a dozen times, right? The takeaway from the whole fiasco should have been that Johnny Depp and Amber Heard are both horrible people that were in toxic relationship that often had them physically attacking each other. It's sad but not surprising that the whole thing was hijacked by horrible people that use it as the ultimate gotcha to prove that most claims of domestic abuse by men are made up.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yep. Back you go, Galactus. Back to TheMarySue or CNN for reprogramming. Your leftist firmware is outdated.

We do get CNN in Britain but it's not something that is hugely watched. The only time I've ever watched it is when I stayed up to watch US presidential debates. I've also rarely read Mary Sue.

I do know know a little of were you get radicalised though. I remember you use to quote Pyjama Watson a fair amount. It's been a while and hopefully you realised he's an idiot that is only taken seriously because he's got a British accent...if you want I can do that for ya and as a bonus I can talk really fast like that other loser Ben Shapiro you like.

[ChosenOne]

Forget Shapiro and start doing stand up comedy, you have a clear talent for it.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Bro, you called a slate with Superman, Batman, Robin, Green Lantern, and Swamp Thing a slate of “D-listers”. You’re still on “time out” with me.

Black Panther looked awful in the final act but it wasn’t 2+ hours of volume green screen. It’s still a visually pleasing film in many ways.
It was clear to me from the ant-man trailer that we were reaching new lows.

Aaaaand she’s gone. I’m on a roll.

DC's upcoming film slate sucks. And I realized that digging it in to actual explain where I was coming from with you was useless.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by IMJ

DC's upcoming film slate sucks. And I realized that digging it in to actual explain where I was coming from with you was useless.

You were coming from “I didn’t take two minutes to read the slate but had a meltdown regarding its contents anyway.” Then when you were corrected, you doubled down.

A slate with Batman, Robin, Superman, Swamp Thing and Green Lantern…simply isn’t a “slate of D-listers”, I’m sorry.
You can say “yeah, I spoke too soon”, or even “this slate sucks”. That’s fine, but trying to twist it into anything else doesn’t hold water.

I mean, you were coming at me hard when I tried to explain that “Brave and the Bold” is a Batman and Robin movie. If you didn’t know that - that’s perfectly okay…but once you start melting down like that, it’s just weird.
You went from “you don’t know that Batman’s in this movie!!” to “it’s not my fault I didn’t know!!” Lol. Anyone curious just go read the James Gunn DC thread. It is pretty funny ngl.

That simply isn’t a list of “D-listers”, despite how you may feel about the slate. I mean, even singling out Swamp Thing as a “D-lister” was bizarre. You acted like respecting Swampy was proof that someone was “pretending to like comics” or something crazy. It’s actually the opposite - anyone who reads comics knows the legendary pedigree of Swamp Thing, from Len Wein, to Bisette, to Alan-freakin-Moore, to Mark Millar, Morrison, Veitch. Crazy thing to say lol.
You wlll find Swamp Thing by Alan Moore rated as the greatest comic run of all time on many lists. So that was probably the most backwards thing you said, other than implying Batman and Superman being part of a “D-list” slate.

Look, I don’t even like Gunn’s films. I can’t sit through one. And I have no interest in Green Lantern, or some of the other announced projects. I do like to keep things in perspective though and not just lash out from pure emotion and assumption. Facts matter to me.

Anyway, sure was nice to see Ant-Man crash and burn. This is what the MCU needed.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Anyway, sure was nice to see Ant-Man crash and burn.

Did it, though? Critically, yeah. But it's going to end its run almost exactly where Ant-Man 2 landed. And still has been making more money than Ant-Man 2 every weekend its been out.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Did it, though? Critically, yeah. But it's going to end its run almost exactly where Ant-Man 2 landed. And still has been making more money than Ant-Man 2 every weekend its been out.

That's a good point, but I feel like the consensus is pretty firm right now that MCU is in a major rut and Ant-Man 3 seems to cement that. Feige hyped this one hard and they marketed the crap out of it. May have made less than previous ones.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Feige hyped this one hard and they marketed the crap out of it. May have made less than previous ones.

Yeah, there's really no reason why this wouldn't have made at least as much money as Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, which earned way more than it deserved to. Probably a lot of the reaction is a direct result of the fallout from that movie, too.