DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie

[ZariusTwo]

So the latest version of the ending is....

Spoiler:

Barry meets with a Batman at the end of the film, but we don't see his face, I think this is to indicate this is the new Bruce of the James Gunn universe, but he hasn't been cast yet so they just go with this. If it is the Gunn Batman, it does appear to confirm Affleck is erased now.

Previous reported ending stated it had used George Clooney at the end as the cliff-hanger, but that's been changed. Clooney does still appear though, as does Nicolas Cage.

[Andrew NDB]

Spoiler:

Interesting. So they did do post-Gunn reshoots here... OR they just cleverly manipulated existing stuff.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I dunno... the sterling test screenings WB keeps boasting about + Keaton Batman + the promise of some kind of multiverse spectacle. It's not a question of whether or not it will bomb, but rather just how big of a hit it will be.

Like you said, WB has been extraordinarily incompetent with their superhero movies, it's like three bombs per one hit. If this... whatever this is (personally, I think it looks like a complete turd) starring a pervert as a character who has appeared in that one movie that was a box office disaster becomes an actual hit, I'd be really surprised. And also a bit disgusted.

And is Keaton Batman really such an audience draw? I mean, I loved him as a kid and the Burton films were really successful (only in the US by the way) but back then everyone was always going on and on about the villains, I remember Keaton only ever being mentioned to say how "bland" he was in comparison to Nicholson and the rest.

But of course, nostalgia changes people's perceptions. I always thought no one really cared about Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man but then I saw videos of people in India literally starting to dance in the theatre when he appeared in "No Way Home". Crazy stuff.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

And is Keaton Batman really such an audience draw? I mean, I loved him as a kid and the Burton films were really successful (only in the US by the way) but back then everyone was always going on and on about the villains, I remember Keaton only ever being mentioned to say how "bland" he was in comparison to Nicholson and the rest.

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Of course Keaton batman is an audience draw . He has tons of Instagram pages dedicated to his batman movies, tons of fans on Twitter super excited for this and his merchandise in old and new stuff is hot sellers. His new Mcfarlane figure has been sold out on sites since it was announced. Not to mention he got a 6 issue miniseries that was a continuation of his movies. Also he is showing up in Batman's 900th issue next month.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

And is Keaton Batman really such an audience draw? I mean, I loved him as a kid and the Burton films were really successful (only in the US by the way) but back then everyone was always going on and on about the villains, I remember Keaton only ever being mentioned to say how "bland" he was in comparison to Nicholson and the rest.

If he's even half the "holy sh**!" draw that Maguire was in No Way Home then this is still going to be huge. And I think Keaton back as Batman is probably twice the draw as Maguire.

For me, I'm lukewarm. If someone were to say they're making a standalone Keaton Batman movie where he's not sharing the bulk of his screentime with a pedo criminal weirdo, that'd probably be something I'd be a little more apt to be excited* about.

*: "Excited," but I'd still much prefer to see them get their regular DCEU house in order before mucking around with standalone/multiverse/elseworlds stuff.

I always thought no one really cared about Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man

That's mostly just people on the internet. Both of the movies feel like soulless corporate Spider-Man Product™ to me but they really didn't do badly. And people seemed to like Garfield enough, in spite of the movies he was in.

[Barkworm]

Okay, I genuinely wasn't aware about Keaton's surge in popularity in that role but that seems to be something that has developed over the years. I'm fairly certain 30 years ago people were mostly indifferent (at best) about him.

But still, twice the draw as Maguire is hyperbole. There's no way Raimi Spider-Man is less popular than Burton Batman.

Anyway, it seems like we both want this film to flop, lol.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

But still, twice the draw as Maguire is hyperbole. There's no way Raimi Spider-Man is less popular than Burton Batman.

Dunno, Batman nowadays has a semi-legendary status unlike Raimi's Spider-man movies, which, arguably were on current generation's memory. Multiply it to (artificially inflated) 80s nostalgia.

[Autbot_Benz]

Keaton was happy being back

Barbara Muschietti explained how the last time Keaton put on the suit was 30 years ago when his son, Sean Douglas, was only a little kid but is now all grown up with his own family. She recalled how Keaton looked great in the suit, which was specifically made by costume designer Alexandra Byrne to allow a full range of movement. Infamously, Keaton couldn’t turn his head in the original Batsuit, so this was no doubt a welcome improvement.


Andy Muschietti said he sees Keaton as a cool guy who doesn’t show his emotions a lot, but it was clear that walking onto the Batcave set had an effect on him. The entire Batcave set was built practically, save for the waterfall pouring down into the abyss, so it effectively transported Keaton back to the original set from the 1989 Batman movie.

“When [Keaton] arrived to the set, the Batcave was already finished and it was lit and everything. He stayed like this [eyes wide] for a while. I didn’t want to interrupt him. I just wanted for him to take it in. Who knows what was going on there? But something was going on there,” he said. “It was funny because at one point during the scene where we shot him in the full suit, he was like, ‘Can you take a picture? It’s for my grandson.’ It was one of those moments where he really showed something was inside that was very emotional.”

https://www.ign.com/articles/the-fla...u-gQ0D_EsCRtxs

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Keaton was happy being back



https://www.ign.com/articles/the-fla...u-gQ0D_EsCRtxs

It's just too bad they had to do all of this in such a **** movie with a **** lead actor. Any other situation would have been better than this.

It's kinda like when they brought back Judith Hoag for the BayTurtles (which never made the final cut), or bringing in Prof X and Reed Richards into a **** movie like Multiverse of Madness.

[CyberCubed]

If Keaton stuck around for Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, even if the scripts were the same, I wonder how those movies would be.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

But still, twice the draw as Maguire is hyperbole. There's no way Raimi Spider-Man is less popular than Burton Batman.

I'd have to argue there. I also don't even think it's all that close.

Anyway, it seems like we both want this film to flop, lol.

It'd just be so much simpler if it did.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

If Keaton stuck around for Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, even if the scripts were the same, I wonder how those movies would be.

Honestly, much more tragic to watch. And not in a good way.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

If Keaton stuck around for Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, even if the scripts were the same, I wonder how those movies would be.

Worse.
Right now, you can pretend Burton movies in their own self-contained universe.

[Andrew NDB]

Ezra upset that a movie studio didn't give him therapists in a serial killer movie.

https://fandomwire.com/there-should-...n-10-8m-movie/

[Cowabung-Gal]

Oh cry me a river.



And, uh, NO. People won’t forget what Ezra had done.



These people are despicable

[Sumac]

I mean picking up on a guy who made quite a lot of ****?
Geee...never seen this before.

[Autbot_Benz]

[Barkworm]

I'm sometimes baffled by how perception of certain things changes over the years. For example, even as a kid I thought the "You wanna go nuts?" scene in Batman was absolutely dumb. Bruce provokes a bunch of armed maniacs because why exactly? Then the Joker pulls out a catchphrase he supposedly always uses (but for some reason hasn't used at all so far) and conveniently shoots Bruce in the place where he hid that tiny metal plate and doesn't even check if he died.

Now this is apparently the scene with Michael Keaton's most iconic line? That's... nuts.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I'm sometimes baffled by how perception of certain things changes over the years. For example, even as a kid I thought the "You wanna go nuts?" scene in Batman was absolutely dumb. Bruce provokes a bunch of armed maniacs because why exactly? Then the Joker pulls out a catchphrase he supposedly always uses (but for some reason hasn't used at all so far) and conveniently shoots Bruce in the place where he hid that tiny metal plate and doesn't even check if he died.

Now this is apparently the scene with Michael Keaton's most iconic line? That's... nuts.

I always felt Keaton wanted to ham it up at least once without the costume on and that was his shot.

But I mean, Keaton Batman was never exactly a catchphrase-machine, and I guess TPTB felt this movie needed.... something to really nail it home for the nostalgia memberberries so that was the best they could come up with.

As for Ezra, of course everyone wants you to forget what he did. He was on the 'right side' of history. Now had he been at J6.......

[ZariusTwo]

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Okay, I genuinely wasn't aware about Keaton's surge in popularity in that role but that seems to be something that has developed over the years. I'm fairly certain 30 years ago people were mostly indifferent (at best) about him

So I think the first part of your statement there is true - over the years people have come to embrace Keaton as Batman as legendary. But that happens with everything on Earth and a lot of people never put the phenomena in their mind as a "thing". Remember that kid in grammar school who moved away for a while and nobody cared, but then came back to the school after a year or so and everyone made a big deal out of it like he was some "great guy"? It's like that.

But on the other hand, I've got to say I remember the Batman summer of 1989 clearly.... It was huge. There was some controversy at the time about casting Keaton, but it was huge. It was a blip on the cultural radar that resembled Star Wars and there was Batman stuff everywhere. It was one of those rare events where the movie theaters handed out free "Batman" catalogs of all sorts of Batman merchandise. I remember staring at it in the car on the way home from the theater. Honestly that first Batman movie was a brief socio-cultural movement at that point in time.



I remember the juxtaposition of this when Batman Forever was released and Keaton wasn't in it - people hated it. But this was pre-internet and it manifested differently. A lot of news coverage and local statements and neighbors talking about movies....