Terminator 7

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Xav

I wonder if they were trying to copy the success of the Star Wars sequels? Follow the plots of the previous films. Kill off the hero of the old films, having the new lead be a young women, having a "new" villain whose exactly the same as the old villain except with a different name.

Probably that exactly, at least with Dark Fate. TFA with a little "let the past die, kill it if you have to" Last Jedi mixed in along with angry political revenge stuff.

[Wildcat]

He was technically in Salvation. He allowed them to use his likeness.

I really do enjoy all the movies in and of themselves but Dark Fate was the weakest one. It didn’t do anything different. Well the T800 gaining a conscious was cool. I thought of that before. I loved his scenes but that couldn’t be a whole movie.

There is one scene I find unintentionally mean. When they’re waiting for the guy to deliver the EMP. They show Sarah in silence listening to the T800 talk about interior design and Dani asks if she’s ok.

It’s funny but the timing is weird. As if they’re breaking the 4th wall. It’s hard to describe. They’re showing us how awful it is for her WHILE he’s doing comic relief. It’s very out of place.

Anyway still plenty they can do they just need to stop the go-back-to-kill plot.

[Andrew NDB]

My best idea for a new Terminator: ignore everything before. Just focus on one soldier in the Future War in 2028. Saving Private Ryan style. Some small but big battle in the bigger scope of things. Maybe even make it a non-theatrical Hulu thing or whatever. But make it super interesting and make us care about TechCOM and the fight. No time travel whatsoever.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

My best idea for a new Terminator: ignore everything before. Just focus on one soldier in the Future War in 2028. Saving Private Ryan style. Some small but big battle in the bigger scope of things. Maybe even make it a non-theatrical Hulu thing or whatever. But make it super interesting and make us care about TechCOM and the fight. No time travel whatsoever.

I‘m not a fan or anything but isn‘t time travel one of the essential elements in the first one? I think that and a killer cyborg are the two things that you cannot leave out.

This is another one of these franchises where you should just let it die. The first two films are well known and popular but everything else is just there, no one really cares about it. The first film had a very basic premise, that‘s why it was great. The second one added to it nicely and they could have had a nice wrap up but that chance is long gone.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Xav

I wonder if they were trying to copy the success of the Star Wars sequels? Follow the plots of the previous films. Kill off the hero of the old films, having the new lead be a young women, having a "new" villain whose exactly the same as the old villain except with a different name.

Most likely, gladly it didn't work out.

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I‘m not a fan or anything but isn‘t time travel one of the essential elements in the first one? I think that and a killer cyborg are the two things that you cannot leave out.

I think, Terminator universe is much bigger that it doesn't need to rely on time travel as a crutch. Or at least not in a way it usually does, repeating the formula from an original movie.

In general, I am on board with a Andrew's idea - just make it a war movie set in a future. Not like a Salvation, which ha nothing to do with future shown in T1-T3 and with better characters than Beil and Whosthatton.

I am not on board with letting it die, since in my opinion it has a potential to be something greater. Its just greedy idiots are very risk averse and don't want to experiment with a material, outside designated parameters. If anything, people who are afraid that AI will write movies and recycle pre-existing stuff, has example in a Terminator franchise, that you don't need AI for that.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Savage, Arnold flat out says "Genisys" and "Dark Fate" weren't written well.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/schwarz...th-terminator/

Well, duh. But Arnie still played in them because he wanted that big fat check. Nevermind that the new writers completely ruined the franchise as well as spat on the fans.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Can he return money for all the fans in the world who saw them?

He’d be too poor after

[sdp]

It is still buffles me that people accepted T2 back in the day. If it came out today and wasn't made by Cameron we would collectively **** on it because they made horror antagonist into superhero. Imagine if Alien 2 was about xenomorph imprinting on some kid, becoming his loyal pet with funny dog behaviour and protecting the kid from Predator

Also that's why every new Terminator fails despite being strong IP. Because Cameron ruined it with T2

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by sdp

It is still buffles me that people accepted T2 back in the day. If it came out today and wasn't made by Cameron we would collectively **** on it because they made horror antagonist into superhero. Imagine if Alien 2 was about xenomorph imprinting on some kid, becoming his loyal pet with funny dog behaviour and protecting the kid from Predator

Also that's why every new Terminator fails despite being strong IP. Because Cameron ruined it with T2

Tbh I can’t for the life of me disagree. But I’m in the minority who’s liked the last few Terminator movies

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by sdp

It is still buffles me that people accepted T2 back in the day. If it came out today and wasn't made by Cameron we would collectively **** on it because they made horror antagonist into superhero. Imagine if Alien 2 was about xenomorph imprinting on some kid, becoming his loyal pet with funny dog behaviour and protecting the kid from Predator

Also that's why every new Terminator fails despite being strong IP. Because Cameron ruined it with T2

Hot take. I am almost sure a trollish one as well.

But, if I take your statement at face value, I'd say, that you are wrong - Xenamorphs are faceless monsters with no personality, but angry murder machines. Terminators, however, have human faces, and in case of T800 one needs to consider Arny's own image as a quintessential American Action Hero at the time.

Such change from a villain to a hero went well, because, no-one could have imagined him as a villain again. Besides, it made an interesting juxtaposition with T800 from the first movie, as well as presented Terminators not as mindless machines, but tools of whoever controls them. It would have been especially interesting, if Cameron went with his original plan an cast Michael Biehn as T1000.

[Andrew NDB]

The movies needed to outgrow Schwarzenegger long ago, IMO. Unless they wanted to show human Arnold in the Future War (yes I've seen the Sgt. Candy deleted scene from T3 and its stupid).

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The movies needed to outgrow Schwarzenegger long ago, IMO. Unless they wanted to show human Arnold in the Future War (yes I've seen the Sgt. Candy deleted scene from T3 and its stupid).

Indeed, but failure of T4 scared them of doing so, so we get bunch of reboots.

[TheCanadiandrome]

We could all agree they maybe should’ve stopped at the first one lol, nah I kid, maybe after judgement day, at this point the horse has been beaten dead, resurrected, then beaten dead again

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by TheCanadiandrome

We could all agree they maybe should’ve stopped at the first one lol, nah I kid, maybe after judgement day, at this point the horse has been beaten dead, resurrected, then beaten dead again

Or Cameron could move with T3 project, which he was mulling around for a time being.

[Andrew NDB]

So, ah, James Cameron is saying he's actively writing Terminator 7 now.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/cameron...RGyF_Mu284n20k

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Sumac

It would have been especially interesting, if Cameron went with his original plan an cast Michael Biehn as T1000.

I thought that was just and rumor and Cameron originally wanted Billy Idol?

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Xav

I thought that was just and rumor and Cameron originally wanted Billy Idol?

I've heard there were a lot of ideas and using Biehn as T1000 was one of them. Strangely, I haven't heard about Billy Idol rumor.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So, ah, James Cameron is saying he's actively writing Terminator 7 now.

Oh...yes? No? IDK?

[TheCanadiandrome]

Oh man those castings would've been trippy

[member_removed]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So, ah, James Cameron is saying he's actively writing Terminator 7 now.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/cameron...RGyF_Mu284n20k

Won't he be busy writing Avatar's 4 and 5? (I assume 3 is already filmed and in the can?)

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by member_removed

Won't he be busy writing Avatar's 4 and 5? (I assume 3 is already filmed and in the can?)

I think, A4 / A5 have already been written, considering how much was spent of pre-production.