Donald Trump Hush money trial

[IMJ]

Yeah. Trump's political opponents aren't attacking him because he has "secret knowledge and evidence" of their crimes. That's peasant thinker nonsense.

Trumps' political opponents are attacking him because he is completely against their agendas and completely for "America first" policy which would set leftist agendas back substantially, if not forever.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Trumps' political opponents are attacking him because he is completely against their agendas and completely for "himself first" policy

CTFY

I do agree that I’m not sure anything still will come of this, but I await to be amazed…

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

CTFY

FY, you mean. Stop selling, no one's buying.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

CTFY

I do agree that I’m not sure anything still will come of this, but I await to be amazed…

Right right. "Secretly putting all of his effort into the Presidency for his own agenda at 70 something years old to do what? Have money?"

Meanwhile your liberal candidates are all also indicted for real crimes left and right and have to fade away into obscurity because the right accepts that whereas people like you want executions and other weird outlets for your awful lives of low-esteem and projected "justice" so you can have a "win".

You aren't a moral authority, homie. Instead you are just on the side of the life-angry haters who found an outlet in a successful dude because you know that in any real life situation he wouldn't tolerate your BS and it would be a reflection of whatever you've experienced in life so far, and you hate that. Get over the derangement syndrome and save your hate for people who have committed real crimes. Tons of real political crimes all over the place, but the only thing you have to talk about is "Trump". That's pathetic, bro. Pathetic.

[Mayhem]

I do like seeing who reacts to these. Obviously you have way more invested in this than me, considering your spleen spouting there, especially considering I’m not even American or liberal. At least not your deranged interpretation of “liberal”. So “my” liberal candidates means nothing, I have no investment or care about them, and Biden certainly isn’t faultless or clean either.

Actually one of the main lines about Trump running originally was to avoid being charged with some of the stuff that’s been reported happening prior to that moment. And that him running again is a similar tactic to avoid jail time. Except they are damned well trying for it before the election. As I noted, I’m still not convinced anything will happen, although the photos published of all the boxes randomly stored around Mar-a-lago like some skittish obsessed hoarder was amusing enough.

As for the money comment, Trump is more broke than he dares to admit hence all the grifting and requests for donations for whatever is happening next, such as funding his legal defence. Surely if he’s that rich, he doesn’t need to ask for donations?

[ChosenOne]

I'm not American either, I just happen to like peace and prosperity in my life. We had those worldwide during Trump's first term, we don’t have those now. It's a very simple equation, but given your admission that you just like to fan the flames in order to watch people get pissed off, well... I don’t expect you to understand or even share my priorities.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

I'm not American either, I just happen to like peace and prosperity in my life. We had those worldwide during Trump's first term, we don’t have those now. It's a very simple equation, but given your admission that you just like to fan the flames in order to watch people get pissed off, well... I don’t expect you to understand or even share my priorities.

Considering an awful lot of the other posts are doing just that too, merely from a far right wing perspective, I'm just joining in the fun!

There wasn't total peace and prosperity during Trump's first term, merely an illusion. He trebled the national deficit for starters, hence the frantic rise (AGAIN!) in the debt cap recently to prevent the government from defaulting on its loans. And his handling of COVID was worse than here, and that's saying something.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Considering an awful lot of the other posts are doing just that too, merely from a far right wing perspective, I'm just joining in the fun!

There wasn't total peace and prosperity during Trump's first term, merely an illusion. He trebled the national deficit for starters, hence the frantic rise (AGAIN!) in the debt cap recently to prevent the government from defaulting on its loans. And his handling of COVID was worse than here, and that's saying something.

But he literally pushed through the vaccine.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But he literally pushed through the vaccine.

Yeah, but considering his handling otherwise, that's like saying Japan only had two atomic bombs dropped on it instead of six. The US "only" lost 1.1M people due to Covid instead of say 4M.

Japan has a population of 122M people, so just over a third of the US. So you'd expect their Covid deaths to be around 350,000 right? No. They only had 71k deaths due to Covid to date. Trump's handling needlessly killed hundreds of thousands of people, albeit some people's attitudes to the disease certainly didn't help until they realised, oh it's real, and oh I'm going to die from it.

[ChosenOne]

What's it like, living under that bridge?

[TurtleManiac]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Yeah, but considering his handling otherwise, that's like saying Japan only had two atomic bombs dropped on it instead of six. The US "only" lost 1.1M people due to Covid instead of say 4M.

Japan has a population of 122M people, so just over a third of the US. So you'd expect their Covid deaths to be around 350,000 right? No. They only had 71k deaths due to Covid to date. Trump's handling needlessly killed hundreds of thousands of people, albeit some people's attitudes to the disease certainly didn't help until they realised, oh it's real, and oh I'm going to die from it.

“himself first policy” you mean the guy who took a $5 million bribe from Ukraine?

Coronovirus: Dr Fauci was behind that. He straight up said “there will be a surprise virus outbreak during this administration” when Trump took office. And you would be considered “Xenophobic” for shutting down travel from China to slow the spread. Clearly it was weaponized by the left to take out Trump. The introduction of mail-in ballots was new for 2020, in “the most secure election in history”.

If someone was stupid enough to “drink bleach” as the mainstream news kept saying, then that’s on them.

Trump’s problem was that he played too nice, was probably too careful to not appear as the “dictator” that people with your mindset made him out to be. He could have prosecuted and arrested Hillary just like they’re doing to him now. He should have, but he didn’t, and that was a big mistake. But he definitely made people wake up and realize the corruption that’s been going on in DC. The minute an outsider becomes President, gas prices at an all time low. What a joke the corrupt system is.

Also on the covid, I keep seeing these “conspiracy theories” like this:

“Did you notice that the Covid variants stopped when Russia started going after the Biolabs?

Omicron was declared a variant of concern on 11/26/2021.

Russia began neutralizing US Biolabs in Ukraine on 02/24/2022.

No variants since.

Coincidence?”

Not sure how much truth there is to it but keep seeing this “conspiracy theory” floating around Twitter. Also there’s talks that there may be another virus outbreak in the near future as predicted by Gates/Fauci.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by TurtleManiac

If someone was stupid enough to “drink bleach” as the mainstream news kept saying, then that’s on them.

There is zero overlap between the people who actually watched that press conference and the people who genuinely believe Trump said those exact words.

Not long after, I went to a mall (Colombo, for anyone familiar with Lisbon) for the first time since the local lockdown ended and noticed a sign next to/on the escalators informing that they were being regularly disinfected with UV light against COVID, and reflecting on that really drove home how gross, hypocritical and dishonest the media are.

[IMJ]

Here's the proof - the proof is that all of the behaviors of the last 7 years and here in this thread when it comes to Trump is that there are haters who need an outlet for their hate and they lack integrity so badly that they will hide their personalities in any justification to deploy their life-anger.

That's it. That's all there is to it.

I'd bet a huge number of these people lack literally all real information, never saw a speech and literally only read the hate and got onboard and run with it. A huge number of these people didn't even make a firsthand decision. They just onboarded and now hold onto it tightly at every turn. Like children do.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Trump's handling needlessly killed hundreds of thousands of people

You say you don’t have TDS?



You might as well say that nobody’s been cured of cancer yet because Biden’s been too busy.

The Biden administration’s overreach didn’t help the crisis here in America. In fact, it only made things even worse. It’ll be a long time before America full recovers from it, and it’ll take even longer if the People won’t stop feeding off the government t**.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Yeah, but considering his handling otherwise, that's like saying Japan only had two atomic bombs dropped on it instead of six. The US "only" lost 1.1M people due to Covid instead of say 4M.

Japan has a population of 122M people, so just over a third of the US. So you'd expect their Covid deaths to be around 350,000 right? No. They only had 71k deaths due to Covid to date. Trump's handling needlessly killed hundreds of thousands of people, albeit some people's attitudes to the disease certainly didn't help until they realised, oh it's real, and oh I'm going to die from it.

Word of advice: You can have decent conversations here about comics or movies. Politics on the other hand get waaaaay too emotional. Or crazy.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

You might as well say that nobody’s been cured of cancer yet because Biden’s been too busy.

Considering my better half works in cancer research, you can’t say **** on it otherwise. You’d be surprised, cancer research has very little government policy in most countries. Or funding. Awful lot of it is charity related. Now Covid lockdowns, process, and mitigation to prevent mass spread and infection, that’s a bit different. You can’t catch cancer from someone else for starters.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Word of advice: You can have decent conversations here about comics or movies. Politics on the other hand get waaaaay too emotional. Or crazy.

The problem is that nowadays they're putting the politics in the comics and movies. So it's increasingly becoming impossible to have conversations about those things without getting into politics. I mean, it's not our fault that's what they want to do. Like, I can't put glass in your cereal, watch you eat it, then wonder why you're talking about the glass in your cereal and not the cereal itself, can I?

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Considering my better half works in cancer research, you can’t say **** on it otherwise. You’d be surprised, cancer research has very little government policy in most countries. Or funding. Awful lot of it is charity related. Now Covid lockdowns, process, and mitigation to prevent mass spread and infection, that’s a bit different. You can’t catch cancer from someone else for starters.

Yeah, and because of the forced lockdowns, many people had their immune systems severely weakened, including my own, so when the stomach bug came rolling around, it hit me really hard to the point that I nearly passed out on the floor after throwing up so much. Heck, the Delta variant that hit me a couple of months prior was nowhere near as severe as the stomach bug. And don’t even get me started on the effect that all the relentless fear-mongering had on our collective psyche.

The way our government acted during the lockdown was absolutely disgusting. They bribed people with free cheeseburgers to take the brand new vaccine, encouraged people to snitch on their neighbors if they were caught breaking any lockdown rule, destroyed the livelihoods of those who dared to talk about the “lab-leak” theory which is suddenly plausible two years later, and even broke the rules themselves so that they could enjoy their usual high-dollar services.

[Stu_Padasso]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Yeah, but considering his handling otherwise, that's like saying Japan only had two atomic bombs dropped on it instead of six. The US "only" lost 1.1M people due to Covid instead of say 4M.

A few Questions: How many of those 1.1 million deaths were from Covid alone as compared to those who tested positive for Covid while dying from co-morbidities or injuries (cancer, heart disease, stroke, AIDS, car accidents, ect.) or those who were refused treatment due to lockdowns? How is it any different than other common illnesses such as the flu? What about the death and misery due to the lockdowns such as suicide, drug and alcohol addiction? And were do you pull the 4 million number? Honestly want to know.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Stu_Padasso

A few Questions: How many of those 1.1 million deaths were from Covid alone as compared to those who tested positive for Covid while dying from co-morbidities or injuries (cancer, heart disease, stroke, AIDS, car accidents, ect.) or those who were refused treatment due to lockdowns? How is it any different than other common illnesses such as the flu? What about the death and misery due to the lockdowns such as suicide, drug and alcohol addiction? And were do you pull the 4 million number? Honestly want to know.

A calculation based on if the vaccine didn't exist or was introduced a lot later than it actually was. With better management and self tolerance, the death toll in the US could have easily been below 300k. The Japanese were already very used to wearing masks on a regular basis anyhow (funny that flu doesn't affect them as much as other countries, huh?) and as documented in Australia towards the end of 2020 for example, who went full lockdown restriction with enforcement, the flu rate during their winter (June to August) that year was ten times less than normal due to all the mandatory mask wearing.

As for your other question, you generally DON'T die of Covid per se in the same way people generally DON'T die of AIDS or leukemia. All three nuke your immune system to such a degree that it allows other infections to basically destroy you. Would some of those people have died anyway from their conditions regardless of Covid? Quite likely. But the rate of mortality shot up through the roof for those more severely compromised as a result.

My better half and myself both had Covid last February. I barely suffered, in fact I didn't know I had it until I tested myself simply because my other half tested herself (a requirement of working on site then, regular testing) and found herself to be positive. She suffered, she was almost bed bound for two days. In fact she's still suffering, she's been diagnosed with partial myocarditis as a result of Covid. She's had tests (ECGs etc) and checks because of it, and occasionally gets heart flutters. All the talk of "oh it's just like flu" and "only 1% die, what's the panic?" belie and dismiss the real potential for long term effects (aka long Covid) that will no doubt manifest and show themselves in the decade or beyond to come. Because it most certainly can and has damaged lungs, heart and other organs even though it didn't actually kill you then.