DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie

[CyberCubed]

Sounds like the film turned out OK. I'll see it eventually. Mostly for Keaton but interested to see how it plays out.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Sounds like the film turned out OK. I'll see it eventually. Mostly for Keaton but interested to see how it plays out.

Despite my nitpicks in the spoiler review it is largely a solid film and you won't feel cheated. It could have went crazy, but Ezra glues it together as older Barry.

[ZariusTwo]

$9.7 million in Thursday previews

https://deadline.com/2023/06/box-off...er-1235418741/

[ChosenOne]

Watched it today, really enjoyed it. The only thing that can conceivably top it in terms of an epic multiverse movie is Secret Wars, assuming Marvel doesn't drop the ball.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

The only thing that can conceivably top it in terms of an epic multiverse movie is Secret Wars, assuming Marvel doesn't drop the ball.

Watched it. I liked it. Is it an "epic multiverse movie," though? Not really.

Spoiler:

It's one new reality created, then a slightly different new one at the end. With little easter eggs scattered about near the end.

What I liked:

* The script. Almost air-tight. Really well crafted.
* Direction, spot-on.
* I liked the intensity of Supergirl. No, I don't want this to be the direction of Supergirl BUT I do really like that actress. And I'm fine with her body type... but I think the design of that suit is a little too pajama like to do her many favors.
* At times Ezra was above tolerable.
* Keaton was having a great time and I was surprised what they were able to get out of him.
* All of the Batwing stuff. That was a cool Batwing! I really liked the dynamic stuff with the rolling cockpit. At a certain point I have to smile and muse, "This is the Michael Keaton Batman piloting his Batwing and fighting the forces of Zod from Man of Steel." Crazy stuff. Executed well.

What I didn't like:

* Supergirl basically doing everything it took Clark years to master (screening out noises, flying, etc.) after a 2 minute scene. i.e., look how much better she is than him. BUT, I understand the story has to keep moving and there really wasn't any time for that stuff.
* How does Supergirl speak English?
* I was happy with all of the Danny Elfman cues for Batman, and I appreciate that they were held back until the appropriate time(s)... but I wanted to hear the Hans Zimmer theme for Zod at various times. It's like they did a somewhat similar knock-off of it that was lame. I mean, they used Zimmer's WW theme but not that one? Why?
* So we knew we were getting "I'm Batman" and "You want to get nuts? Let's get nuts," and even that was excessive. That's not the end of it! We get a recreation of the "How much do you weigh?" scene, too. Also, I'm almost 200% sure that when you first see the Batwing rise into the sky, there absolutely was the Batman 89 moment where it eclipsed the moon and became the bat symbol but they cut it.
* Lots of weird CGI face stuff going on. I think they were overly worried about making the 5 year younger Barry look younger a lot, but they should have just left it to makeup. He looks like he has a plastic face through so much of it.

I really wasn't expecting the Zod/Keaton/Supergirl stuff to end the way it did. Of all the possible outcomes, an infinite number of irreversible deaths for both of them was definitely not what I was imagining. Especially since the Keaton Batman was supposed to go on to pop into Aquaman 2 and Batgirl. I suspect what we're seeing is some reediting and "savage" cuts of footage in the Flash to trap them as such rather than rescuing them from those events and teasing stuff to come that isn't happening anymore.

Also, I'm not sure what any of this means at the end. Certainly the reality Barry is in right now at the end of the movie can NOT be the new James Gunn universe, since George Clooney obviously won't be the Batman in that and here he is in this one. I guess we just look at this movie as a bookend to the Snyderverse, with the possibility that the Ezra Flash might show up in any multiversal hijinks movie, and we're still waiting to get even a glimpse at the new Gunn universe, yes? Basically? And that multiversal movie will probably happen. We know that when Gunn gave Henry Cavill the bad news he softened the blow by telling him he'd be needed in an eventual multiverse project.

And mh, "in continuity" now, are we to take from this that, A) the Burton universe didn't even exist until the Flash accidentally created it in this movie or, B) the universe the Flash arrives in is just super similar to the Burton universe, but isn't actually it. Because it can't be both. And didn't they kind of say in this that there wasn't a multiverse at all until now?

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Watched it. I liked it. Is it an "epic multiverse movie," though? Not really.

I like how you say it's not but then go on to describe it as such.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

I like how you say it's not but then go on to describe it as such.

I think he just means it's a multiverse movie, just not 'epic'

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I think he just means it's a multiverse movie, just not 'epic'

It read to me like a multiverse movie with epic moments (ie, Keaton Batman vs Zod's army), which amounts to the same.

[IMJ]

I am seeing in quite a few places that the Special Effects were pretty bad.....

[TigerClaw]

Saw it today, It was really good.

I wouldn't be surprise if we ever get a Crisis on Infinite Earth movie someday.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

It read to me like a multiverse movie with epic moments (ie, Keaton Batman vs Zod's army), which amounts to the same.

I don't think that was an epic moment. It was just "neat"/"crazy." When we're talking about "multiversal epic," I don't think we've even seen one on the big screen yet. I wouldn't even call No Way Home that. Now, in comics I AM familiar with multiversal epics, and you can probably imagine the ones I'd point to.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't think that was an epic moment. It was just "neat"/"crazy." When we're talking about "multiversal epic," I don't think we've even seen one on the big screen yet. I wouldn't even call No Way Home that. Now, in comics I AM familiar with multiversal epics, and you can probably imagine the ones I'd point to.

You didn’t say it, I just took it that way. Crazy and cool are two thirds of epic, the final third being scale. As these things go, I’d say The Flash beats out NWH and don't even get me started on Multiverse of Madness... And it’s definitely not an event movie, no. But still crazy cool. We'll see what comes out of Secret Wars.

Any comics multiversal events from Marvel? Aside from the obvious one. I'm not too familiar with DC's, though I do understand they lean heavily into the craziness of it.

[Barkworm]

Apparently, it's trending to be opening lower than Black Adam.

[Sumac]

Ouch. There goes hope the last vestiges of Snyder verse would go away with some dignity.
Oh well, it started as mediocrity, it well end up as mediocrity.

[IMJ]

If they would've supported the Snyder-verse, given us Superman vs Braniac with Cavill and the Affleck Batman movie, then people would've been all for this Flash flick.

Things are so tied together now that people don't want to invest time in a "dead Universe" and they know that whatever connections made here to Gunn's Swamp-Thing movie slate are forced marketing.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Ouch. There goes hope the last vestiges of Snyder verse would go away with some dignity.
Oh well, it started as mediocrity, it well end up as mediocrity.

It's hilarious to look at the initial box office predictions based on the test screenings and early tracking, then it went down significantly after pre-sales were disappointing, now it's trending to open below 60 million?! Looks like WB's cheap attempt to copy the Spider-Man success didn't work out.

[Andrew NDB]

If it spells the end of Ezra as Flash in any meaningful way then I'm good with it taking the L. With Gunn there is at least the chance we'll finally get a proper Barry Allen.

[CyberCubed]

Considering this movie was delayed like 2 years and had extension reshoots in addition to all the marketing, how much of a loss is WB taking on this?

[Barkworm]

I'll be goofy here and quote myself:

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Is anyone really predicting this NOT to bomb? It looks obscenely expensive and both Ezra Miller and his Flash are not very popular which is of course why the marketing on this is focused on the other superheroes in the film. But then this version of Supergirl also doesn't look like she'll be a huge draw for audiences so in the end it all depends on Michael Keaton's Batman and the hopes for a huge nostalgia boost.

Sure, this is what made "No Way Home" such a success. But that had at least two wildly successful characters in it. I'd be really surprised if this made more than 500 million worldwide and my guess is it probably has to make at least 600 to break even (official budget is 200 million but those numbers are from last year, they've spent more money on it by now).

Yes, Batman could easily make these numbers. But geriatric Batman babysitting this whiny nerd who's hated by everyone? I don't think so.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by IMJ

If they would've supported the Snyder-verse, given us Superman vs Braniac with Cavill and the Affleck Batman movie, then people would've been all for this Flash flick.

Things are so tied together now that people don't want to invest time in a "dead Universe" and they know that whatever connections made here to Gunn's Swamp-Thing movie slate are forced marketing.

And if Ezra wasn't creepy drug-adled retard.
But otherwise I agree, WB attempted to speedrun their CU and had run right into a wall. Batfleck flick would have been decent. Probably.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Considering this movie was delayed like 2 years and had extension reshoots in addition to all the marketing, how much of a loss is WB taking on this?

By most conservative estimation such movies usually cost around 300+ millions - how much WB had spent, given delays and reshoots...who knows. At this point I suspect anything beneath, say 800+ million will basically mean that WB lost its money. And even 800+ millions will mean they just had recouped their losses, but didn't make a dime.