Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The small favour to trans rights has cost the movie some money

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...014957695.html

[ChosenOne]

If Gwen were trans, would that make Miles gay?

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

If Gwen were trans, would that make Miles gay?

According to Transcult: "No / Yes / Maybe?".

Spoiler:

No, because, according to TRA religion, if Gwen is trans she is like all other women, despite either having a dick or an axe wound where it was.
Yes, because, it is more inclusivity and diversity, to heck with their own dogma!!
Maybe, if you feel like you don't want to be bullied by trans lunatics.

Also, not all Muslim countries are hostile to trans, in large, because, they see transition as lesser of two evils, between Gay or Trans. Apparently, as long as person fits in their traditional view of gender roles, it doesn't matter who they are biologically or why. So they are also lunatics, but in entirely different way.

[IMJ]

Why can't Miles Morales be gay? Is Marvel saying that only popular, white Peter Parker is good enough to be gay?

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Why can't Miles Morales be gay? Is Marvel saying that only popular, white Peter Parker is good enough to be gay?

Dunno, just a dumb question that came to mind.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Sumac

According to Transcult: "No / Yes / Maybe?".

Spoiler:

No, because, according to TRA religion, if Gwen is trans she is like all other women, despite either having a dick or an axe wound where it was.
Yes, because, it is more inclusivity and diversity, to heck with their own dogma!!
Maybe, if you feel like you don't want to be bullied by trans lunatics.

Also, not all Muslim countries are hostile to trans, in large, because, they see transition as lesser of two evils, between Gay or Trans. Apparently, as long as person fits in their traditional view of gender roles, it doesn't matter who they are biologically or why. So they are also lunatics, but in entirely different way.

I heard in some Muslim countries gay people pretty much have to make a choice, either transition or die. Whenever it's ever discovered that you're gay of course, I feel it's downright suicidal to come out in a Muslim country. It's like you said, they sorta see transpeople as the 'lesser of two evils' over there.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

If Gwen were trans, would that make Miles gay?

The correct answer is yes, or at least bi. But saying that gets you in trouble.

The PC 'please don't cancel me' answer is no, because transwomen are women.

[Shark_Blade]

Trans women are trans women, not women. Saying otherwise is delusional and erasing true women everywhere.

Anyway, interestingly Miles was pitched to be a possibly gay Spider-Man early on. Why it didn’t took off?

Marvel Comics reveals the new Spider Man is black - and he could be gay in the future
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ay-future.html
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...-marvel-comics

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Trans women are trans women, not women. Saying otherwise is delusional and erasing true women everywhere.

They're men, you mean.

[neatoman]

Technically she never meant that about Miles himself, she was just speaking abstractly about some future "gay or black or both" superhero. Her point was more about Miles being an afro-latino superhero who takes up the Spider-Man name would lead to this sort of thing becoming common... Which, uh, good on her for "predicting" it? That has happened quite a lot since then, though I wouldn't quite call it a prediction when… You know… She was working with a company who seemingly decided to keep doing that sort of thing at that time.

Anyway, even if Miles was pitched as gay, I doubt Marvel would have allowed it. I'm not even talking out my ass here, there is actually precedent for it. In 2011 (the same year Miles debuted by the way) Sony had signed a new contract with Marvel after presumably renegotiating the terms to keep the characters longer, a contract that has since then leaked. According to this contract:

Mandatory Spider-Man Character Traits. Spider-Man (whether Peter Parker or an alternative Spider-Man character) must always strictly conform to the following “Mandatory Character Traits”:

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Not a homosexual (unless Marvel has portrayed that alter ego as a homosexual)

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Marvel can enjoin a Picture if it does not conform to the foregoing Mandatory Character Traits. For any other failure to conform to Character Integrity or other requirements, Marvel’s sole remedy is damages.

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Peter Parker Character Traits. Depiction of Peter Parker or his Spider-Man alter ego must conform to the following character traits:
His full name is Peter Benjamin Parker.
He is Caucasian and heterosexual.
His parents become absent from his life during his childhood.
From the time his parents become absent he is raised by Aunt May and Uncle Ben in New York City
He gains his powers while attending either middle school or college.
He gains his powers from being bitten by a spider
He designs his first red and blue costume.
The black costume is a symbiote and is not designed by him
He is raised in a middle class household in Queens, New York
He attends or attended high school in Queens, New York, and he attends or attended college in New York City, New York.

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Alternate Versions Of Spider-Man Character. If SPE depicts an alternative version of Spider-Man (i.e., not Peter Parker), then:

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SPE may, but does not have to, (i) use “Approved Powers” which are unique to that alternative version, and/or (ii) use Marvel’s origin story and related origin elements for that alternate version of Spider-Man.

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SPIDER-MAN MANDATORY CHARACTER TRAITS
He is male.

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He is not homosexual unless the Spider-Man Character portrayed in the Production is an Alternative Spider-Man Character that is portrayed as homosexual in New Authorized Works.

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CHARACTER TRAITS OF ALTERNATIVE VERSIONS OF SPIDER-MAN
If SPE elects to depict any Alternative Version of the Spider-Man Character in any Production, the following character traits will apply:

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For the avoidance of doubt, the Production shall not be otherwise required to use the Alternative Version’s origin story or basic origin elements (although use of such Alternative Version’s origin story and basic origin elements is authorized by Marvel).

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So in case you want the short of it, Marvel would not allow Sony to make Peter Parker gay under any circumstances and would only allow for an "alternative" Spider-Man to be gay if there was comic book precedent for that particular character to be gay, though Peter would still be excluded from this. Also note that it specifically states that Spider-Man (any Spider-Man) must be male, which would bar Sony from adapting Mattie Franklin's brief impersonation of Peter, but could also be interpreted as not allowing a trans-Spider-Man either. Additionally, note how very careful they are with Peter's depiction, there is very little wiggle room there, while they are allowed to make as many changes to the alternative Spider-Men as they want.

Technically, this contract is 12 years old and thus much of this could no longer apply but I doubt they've changed much since then. If Marvel was this anal about not depicting Spider-Man as gay back then, I'd suspect the comics had a "Spider-Man is not gay" policy as well, meaning any pitch about a gay Spider-Man would have been rejected.

[Andrew NDB]

This seems silly now. Does anyone here believe Marvel in 2023 would write up something that makes him not be gay? It'd be the opposite, if anything.

[Dpooly84]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

This seems silly now. Does anyone here believe Marvel in 2023 would write up something that makes him not be gay? It'd be the opposite, if anything.

I mean if they were smart and took the clues from society's social push back in the current climate then they would. But one thing people constantly forget is that comic books have always been pushing social agendas.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Dpooly84

I mean if they were smart and took the clues from society's social push back in the current climate then they would. But one thing people constantly forget is that comic books have always been pushing social agendas.

Not 'beat you over the head' with them though. Stan Lee didn't mind morals and whatnot in his stories, but he never believed into shoving them into the forefront so obnoxiously blatantly obvious.

[Dpooly84]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Not 'beat you over the head' with them though. Stan Lee didn't mind morals and whatnot in his stories, but he never believed into shoving them into the forefront so obnoxiously blatantly obvious.

Didn't he though? I mean they weren't seen that way at the time, but after years of progression you can go back and see the obvious times where they were being obviously shoveled in. I love comics but they have always been super liberal despite the scantily clad ladies.

[ChosenOne]

Okay, now I wanna read about a Peter Parker variant who's in a relationship with Harry Osborn and how that complicates things with Norman.

Originally Posted by Dpooly84

I love comics but they have always been super liberal despite the scantily clad ladies.

Scantily clad ladies aren't liberal?

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Scantily clad ladies aren't liberal?

Not unless they don’t care about offending the not-so-attractive group in this day and age. Heck, if you give an anthropomorphic female squirrel big boobs, the wokies will eat you alive.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

Not unless they don’t care about offending the not-so-attractive group in this day and age. Heck, if you give an anthropomorphic female squirrel big boobs, the wokies will eat you alive.

It really sounds like they're just looking for an excuse to get mad.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Dpooly84

Didn't he though? I mean they weren't seen that way at the time, but after years of progression you can go back and see the obvious times where they were being obviously shoveled in. I love comics but they have always been super liberal despite the scantily clad ladies.

Unless Stan Lee went against his own word. His focus was always good stories and good characters first. Any other stuff was to be subtle but never in the forefront and at the expense of the story. More 'can Spider-Man actually beat Doctor Doom???' and less whatever the political issues were back in the 80s.

[Cowabung-Gal]

People keep pointing to the colors in Spider-Gwen’s costume as though that confirms she is trans. However, they are excluding one crucial detail: her blonde hair.

So combine yellow, pink, blue, and white, and which flag do you get…?



Welp, that backfired, wouldn’t you say?

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

People keep pointing to the colors in Spider-Gwen’s costume as though that confirms she is trans. However, they are excluding one crucial detail: her blonde hair.

So combine yellow, pink, blue, and white, and which flag do you get…?

https://media.tenor.com/stlM6cClnzQA...an-shocked.gif

Welp, that backfired, wouldn’t you say?

I'm lost... what flag is that?