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I admit I haven't watched the movie yet, and don't plan to do it in cinema anyway, but from the outside it looks like another dumb**** deconstruction - turning successful and adventurous man into a shadow of his former self, outshined by an AMAZING female character.
KK certainly a petty bitch. It takes some unprecentend level of pettiness to aim to supplant legacy of your predecessor with your ****. |
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As an Indiana Jones fan, finding out what Kennedy did in regard to this film, it makes my head hurt more than the fall I took last week that's keeping me out from work this week. Geez. Why do they keep letting this woman work on these franchises?! Say what you will about the last Indy film that didn't need to be made and should have been done in the 90s (I know it was planned...but we got that Young Indy show conceptualization), but it had its moments and the ending was actually nice. I know I hate to judge things without seeing it for myself, but there's a track record here. What's up with her obsession with washed up old men feeling sorry for themselves and having Girl Power protagonist jump in? By the sounds of it, there's nothing even remotely Indy about Indy for this film and of course, CGI galore. Screw those practical effects.
You know, I forgot who said it, but it feels like a self-insert fanfiction Kathleen wrote. Oh well... In my mind, the only Indiana Jones is the original trilogy which had a good wrapped up ending. I mean, they LITERALLY rode off into the sunset together! Want to watch in order, 2, 1, 3. That's how I feel about it anyway. I'm in the mood to watch the original trilogy now. Movie 3 was always my favorite of them. Last edited by ssjup81; 07-06-2023 at 04:06 PM. |
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I decided to see this movie after all. Especially once the real deal breaker "spoiler" from months ago was confirmed not to be a thing. My ranking of the movies (worst to best)
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Temple of Doom Dial of Destiny Raiders of the Lost Ark The Last Crusade This did feel like an Indiana Jones movie to me. And the Time Travel aspect was handled far better than the alien one from the previous movie. "Indy" did feel like himself and he did feel his age weighed down with grief. The goddaughter and her companion both were insufferable and badly written. As far as "woke-ness" is concerned, those characters don't get any points in either direction. Again, badly written and nothing to like about them. And I completely understand and respect Indy's desire to stay in the past. History and Archeology are his lifelong passions in every sense. |
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He was never "gotten rid of." He walked away quietly between the many stories over the years of new scripts being worked on. Whether that's because of his vow to not CGI de-age Ford, a scheduling thing, or because of KK's agenda, we'll never know.
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This movie...this movie is tanking on a level even I didn't think was possible. Things or going to happen as a result of this- BIG things. We'll just have to wait and see how bad it gets for lucasfilm.
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I saw it last night and I enjoyed it better than “Kingdom Crystal Skull” or whatever it was called. Granted there was some plot holes and things that didn’t make sense, but hell that’s been very Indiana Jones movie
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Also, I would be wholly convinced KK has a wall of incriminating evidence towards all her bosses. Or she gives Ocars-worthy blowjobs. |
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Some alternative titles I'm seeing that make me snicker (sadly):
Indiana Jones and the Destruction of Legacy Indiana Jones and the Obnoxious Girl Boss
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Ended up seeing it on Monday night. It was fine.
I rewatched 1–3 over the weekend, and will get to 4 soon-ish. Compared to the other three, there was nothing terrible here. But yes, the ending could have been better.
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The more I think about KK the more upsetting it all is.
Star Wars? KK's sequel trilogy destroyed. Indiana Jones? Part 5 was co-opted and destroyed by KK agenda. Willow? Rendered radioactive as an IP after the KK-led Disney+ series. And the list goes on and on. And there's not really any going back on any of this... the damage is done. We can't, like, un-get the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Harrison Ford isn't coming back to try it again. No one is going to throw more money at a Willow production ever again.
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For me killing character is a nuclear option - there is no way back. And its a pet peeve of mine, when character killed in the backstory, between installments.
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It was never going to be a great movie as it currently is, but the truth is that even in the obviously Frankenstein-built-cut of the movie in theaters, had Helena never knocked out a whiny-bitch Indy to get to the resolution then the movie would have been arguably servicable.
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I don't know if it was really worth the wait, but I still had a good time watching the movie the two times I've seen it. It was fun seeing it with two of my friends and then with my brother at Regal ScreenX. I think the changing of directors from Speilberg to Mangold did have an effect on the script. David Keopp is probably not the best when it comes to writing sequels. Things didn't go so well for him with The Lost World: Jurassic Park or Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I really didn't it was all that bad. I thought the beginning was quite good, but I just don't think this movie will ever be considered a classic. My biggest disappointment was the end of the climax. The solution to
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This was inevitable. I need to check out Honest Trailers unless they did one and I missed it. |
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It's taking a piece of societal culture and intentionally ruining it as some kind of way to make people question things that have given them strength and thought for decades. And it's the exact same thing they did with Luke Skywalker - turned him into a milk drinking weirdo suckling the tit of an bizarre lactating alien while hiding in old age on an unmapped planet. And so, my point is that this wasn't about "screen writing", this was about thematic direction and edict. After all of the evidence that has been presented for years now, you simply can't help but imagine Kathleen Kennedy, "man hater" sitting around somewhere saying to herself, "now I have control of Star Wars and Indiana Jones and I can ruin the art and history of every man in this generation who loved them because I am a strong, independent wammon." It's pure agenda. And unfortunately, most people are slow to comprehend and see patterns and so it has gotten this far. But I said it here along time ago - it's a big ship, slow to turn but it's happened with diminishing returns going back to the Last Jedi that everyone tried and hated, then nobody showed up for the Rise of Skywalker, then diminishing returns for every woke $#!( Disney product (Lesbians in a Pixar movie? Seriously?), and now the bottom drops out completely for Indiana Jones. Don't pay for woke $#!(. Continue not paying for woke $#!(. Woke $#!( is nothing more than peasant-vengeance from the life-angry wrapped in a message of "strength" to make the other peasants get onboard. It's a lie. Last edited by IMJ; 07-06-2023 at 04:27 PM. |
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