A New Spin on Free Speech - Page 2

*Cascadia* · 12-02-2003, 10:09 AM

the chatroom that I monitor has more rules than the forums does. Some people love the chatroom because it is clean and friendly. Other people tend to hate it because of the rules. They end up being punished when they break the rules that are set before them.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 12-02-2003, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kali

Laws exist to keep everything from going to Heck in a handbasket.

You KNOW it's a dull and crappy world when you can't even say "Hell" in a PG-13 rated forum

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Originally Posted by Vintage Splinter

the right to free speech is overuled quite a bit on the internet. Especially on Private Message boards

You know, there's something of a paradox in that: the right to free speech gives people the freedom on the internet to bar free speech from others that disagree with them...funky.

Don't believe me? Check out:

eBaum's World
Something Awful
Doomworld Forums

...and other such places. Whether they mean what they say or not, they still exhibit this "holier than thou" attitude. I even posted a link to a thread on the Doomworld forums debating the "power hungriness" of the mods/admins on there not long ago...look for that thread, and you'll see what I mean.

*Bowser_Koopa* · 12-02-2003, 10:15 AM

now seriously

i like this forum's rules and administration because the Administrator is nice and he actually responds you if you send him a pm, besides of being active, and the moderators are very nice people too.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 12-02-2003, 10:18 AM

Krang, as well as the forum moderators, do allow quite a bit of leeway when it comes to arguments. If they are kept clean, that is.

It's only after people start attacking each other that The Powers That Be put their foot down, and I like that. Let the arguments wear themselves out if they're done so in a proper fashion.

"You've made your riverbed. Now lie in it." - April, from "Funny, They Shrunk Michaelangelo"

**Kali** · 12-02-2003, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Reznorite420

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Originally Posted by Kali

Laws exist to keep everything from going to Heck in a handbasket.

You KNOW it's a dull and crappy world when you can't even say "Hell" in a PG-13 rated forum

LOL! For some very strange reason, I didn't feel like saying Hell last night.

If I have the right to use that word, I certainly have the right to sugar coat it.

**Machias Banshee** · 12-02-2003, 08:43 PM

Dont think of the Technodrome as a Dictatorship!

Krang's more of a CEO, and us mods are part of the board of directors...

Krang = Mike Eisner?

*shudder* compare it to a different business...

*Cascadia* · 12-02-2003, 11:36 PM

some forums/chatrooms are not quite as bad as some of the others

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 12-03-2003, 12:07 AM

Yes, I will agree that this forum is one of the tamer forums I've ever seen. And that speaks to the character of those who post here.

Most of us, anyway.

"I wish gravity would make up its stupid mind!" - Rocksteady, from "Sky Turtles"

*Cascadia* · 12-03-2003, 12:12 AM

my chatroom does not allow foul language, caps, harassment, stalking, bad topics.....there is some others too.

*That Matt Guy* · 12-03-2003, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

Krang = Mike Eisner?

*shudder* compare it to a different business...

Yes, I don't think comparing Krang to Satan is a good idea.

**DarthRaphael** · 12-03-2003, 11:53 AM

So, your mad because the forum has rules?? Every forum has rules. I don't understand what the problem is.

It seems that there are a lot of ungrateful people around here. You should be thanking Krang and Shredder for this forum. They seem to be getting a lot of crap thrown at them as of late. They go through a lot of hell keeping this place running, including paying for the hosting. Give these guys a break already. They own this forum like they would own a house, and if you were in my house and did not follow my rules I'd ask you to leave or kick you out on your half-moons.

Krang/Shredder, thanks for putting up with us.

DarthRaphael -

*Cascadia* · 12-03-2003, 12:36 PM

the forum would be more chaos if it did not have rules

*Voltron* · 12-03-2003, 01:02 PM

Yeah, imagine a place where Pwedesai and TheShredder weren't banned

*That Matt Guy* · 12-03-2003, 01:18 PM

Heaven?

*Voltron* · 12-03-2003, 01:19 PM

Come again?

**azure turtle** · 12-03-2003, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Voltron

Yeah, imagine a place where Pwedesai and TheShredder weren't banned

I've been to a place where that exactly happened. Some members here may remember the Under Manhattan forums. There were no mods, and no admins present (after Fugitoid sadly disappeared). And yes, Pwdes was a member, and he constantly spammed the forums while fighting/arguing with a bunch of other trolls. I was sad to see the forums get reduced to that state, since they started out with a bunch of amazing people (Mas Resnik, Samantha, Miss Mab, Arctic, and also our very own Kali, HT, Leo656, Brodie, and zRealTokka). We have the right to freedom of speech, but without rules, these forums would go under fast. I've seen it happen.

Believe me, I'm very grateful to Krang and Shredder for creating such an awesome message board. And they're paying for everything out of their own pockets! It's rare to find such a great place to chat (Mikey's forum comes to mind as well). The admins run/own this place, and we should follow the rules in play.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 12-03-2003, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

Krang = Mike Eisner?

*shudder* compare it to a different business...

Had I read that post before today, I would not have gotten what you meant.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 12-03-2003, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthRaphael

So, your mad because the forum has rules?? Every forum has rules. I don't understand what the problem is.

It seems that there are a lot of ungrateful people around here. You should be thanking Krang and Shredder for this forum. They seem to be getting a lot of crap thrown at them as of late. They go through a lot of hell keeping this place running, including paying for the hosting. Give these guys a break already. They own this forum like they would own a house, and if you were in my house and did not follow my rules I'd ask you to leave or kick you out on your half-moons.

Krang/Shredder, thanks for putting up with us.

DarthRaphael -

To whom were you directing your thoughts? I was confused. No one in this thread appears to be mad because the forum has rules.

"What's going on?" - Michaelangelo, from "Shredderville"

**HorseTechie** · 12-04-2003, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by azure turtle

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Originally Posted by Voltron

Yeah, imagine a place where Pwedesai and TheShredder weren't banned

I've been to a place where that exactly happened. Some members here may remember the Under Manhattan forums. There were no mods, and no admins present (after Fugitoid sadly disappeared). And yes, Pwdes was a member, and he constantly spammed the forums while fighting/arguing with a bunch of other trolls. I was sad to see the forums get reduced to that state, since they started out with a bunch of amazing people (Mas Resnik, Samantha, Miss Mab, Arctic, and also our very own Kali, HT, Leo656, Brodie, and zRealTokka). We have the right to freedom of speech, but without rules, these forums would go under fast. I've seen it happen.

*nods* I'm soooo glad Fugitoid came around to shut that site and forum down. In my opinion, that forum turned into a cess pool real fast. I left it, and did not wish to ever look at it again.

I also agree with Shadow's and Kali's intial statements. Free speach is quite alright, if it exists to enrich everyone's conversations. But if all people want to do is speak filth, hurt other people's feelings, deface their name, and fight up and down the thread like mindless idiot's.... what is the POINT in all of that? Nothing.

I also mod for a Yahoo Group mailing list, that basically runs on three simple rules. The biggest one is that no one is allowed to bash or flame anyone or anything. We do allow for the discussion of religion and politics too... but I'll admit there are days I wish I can just say "Shut Up!" all together on that kind of discussion and insist that people just talk about TMNT only. I'm just a mod though. I don't own that list, and I don't have the right to say that. But I can just leave any time I want if the moderating job gets to be too much there.

Which is where I come to make my final point. If members here CAN NOT stand the way we run this fourm, then just leave and go somewhere else. We ain't holding you by gunpoint to stay here. I think it's a total farce to call Krang a dictator in that sense. Most Communist countries don't even allow it's people to leave, or at least, not without putting up a fight.

But, you are free to come and go. You are free to start up your own forum or mailing list elsewhere with your own rule, or lack thereof. You can even make it a private one that only your friends can particpate in. Just don't start a war with this forum in the process. No one wants that either.

"Speak friend, and enter."

~~Reznorite420~~ · 12-04-2003, 07:31 PM

Apparently topics are locked now when one person decides to explicitly state the true way he feels (which goes against the way a mod thinks) whilst still minimally following the forum guidelines...*COUGH!*

12-02-2003, 10:09 AM	#21
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	the chatroom that I monitor has more rules than the forums does. Some people love the chatroom because it is clean and friendly. Other people tend to hate it because of the rules. They end up being punished when they break the rules that are set before them. __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

12-02-2003, 11:36 PM	#27
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	some forums/chatrooms are not quite as bad as some of the others __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

12-03-2003, 12:12 AM	#29
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	my chatroom does not allow foul language, caps, harassment, stalking, bad topics.....there is some others too. __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

12-03-2003, 11:53 AM	#31
DarthRaphael Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC USA Posts: 913	So, your mad because the forum has rules?? Every forum has rules. I don't understand what the problem is. It seems that there are a lot of ungrateful people around here. You should be thanking Krang and Shredder for this forum. They seem to be getting a lot of crap thrown at them as of late. They go through a lot of hell keeping this place running, including paying for the hosting. Give these guys a break already. They own this forum like they would own a house, and if you were in my house and did not follow my rules I'd ask you to leave or kick you out on your half-moons. Krang/Shredder, thanks for putting up with us. DarthRaphael - __________________ I edit your posts

12-03-2003, 12:36 PM	#32
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	the forum would be more chaos if it did not have rules __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

12-02-2003, 10:15 AM	#23
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	now seriously i like this forum's rules and administration because the Administrator is nice and he actually responds you if you send him a pm, besides of being active, and the moderators are very nice people too.

12-02-2003, 10:18 AM	#24
Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 835	Krang, as well as the forum moderators, do allow quite a bit of leeway when it comes to arguments. If they are kept clean, that is. It's only after people start attacking each other that The Powers That Be put their foot down, and I like that. Let the arguments wear themselves out if they're done so in a proper fashion. "You've made your riverbed. Now lie in it." - April, from "Funny, They Shrunk Michaelangelo"

12-02-2003, 08:43 PM	#26
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Dont think of the Technodrome as a Dictatorship! Krang's more of a CEO, and us mods are part of the board of directors... Krang = Mike Eisner? shudder compare it to a different business...

12-03-2003, 12:07 AM	#28
Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 835	Yes, I will agree that this forum is one of the tamer forums I've ever seen. And that speaks to the character of those who post here. Most of us, anyway. "I wish gravity would make up its stupid mind!" - Rocksteady, from "Sky Turtles"

12-03-2003, 01:02 PM	#33
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	Yeah, imagine a place where Pwedesai and TheShredder weren't banned

12-03-2003, 01:18 PM	#34
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	Heaven?

12-03-2003, 01:19 PM	#35
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	Come again?

12-04-2003, 07:31 PM	#40
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	Apparently topics are locked now when one person decides to explicitly state the true way he feels (which goes against the way a mod thinks) whilst still minimally following the forum guidelines...COUGH!