Donald Trump Hush money trial

[robertfiduciary]

Wow! Hey, IMJ. Thanks for the response. It sure was... something.

I just want to circle back, though, to my original request. You said that "by every metric" Trump was "killing it" as President.

"Metric," according to Google, means (among other things), "a system or standard of measurement." That means, you know.

Numbers.

So, I asked you to provide some numbers to back up your claim.

You didn't.

You just insulted me. Which, you know. Is fine, I guess.

But it still doesn't answer my question.

What metrics, which is to say, what measurable numbers can you point to, in order to illustrate how much better things were under the previous President?

You said you "certainly could" provide them.

Well, I "certainly would" like to see them. If you can.

The proverbial balls in your court, man.

Looking forward to seeing those numbers.

Thanks again. Really learning a lot here!

[IMJ]

Exactly, I didn't - and I already explained why in my last post. My points here all stand. As written. You are going to have to control your emotions and accept that. You're welcome.

I'm not here to appease what you ask of me. Control your emotions, Robertfiduciary. Control your emotions and dont act like you are in charge, reiterating orders to people whom you've never earned any respect from. All you have is Trump-hate. You've earned no respect through your board psuedonym. Make demands of your kids and that's if even they respect you, but not of me. My point stands as written. I know it's hard for you but you're going to have to control your emotions and accept that.

[robertfiduciary]

Okay, man. Really no idea what you're going on about (although I'm sure it makes sense, in your head). My emotions are cool as a cucumber.

I asked you a question. Formally, politely.

You. Could. Not. Answer. It.

Instead, you try to distract and deflect. Control MY emotions? Friend, every post of your gives big, "I have a girlfriend, but you wouldn't know her. She... um, she lives in Canada!" energy.

Your guy is going to lose in 2024. Just like he lost in 2020.

Just like he lost the popular vote in 2016. What do you call someone who loses all the time? Oh, yeah. And just to be clear. I don't hate Donald Trump. I hate his policies. I hate what he stands for. I hate the damage he's done to the country and it's citizenry (women, minorities, insecure middle-aged men, etc).

And you, IMJ. I certainly don't hate you. But sadly, I do suspect you're going to keep projecting what is obviously your own feelings of inadequecy and "life-hate" on others (i.e. anyone who disagrees with you). When others (like me!) are actually doing quite fine. Psychology 101.

So thanks for the suggestion. But we're good.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I could be wrong, but I feel like Biden has so many blunders under his belt that a Trump victory is all but guaranteed.

In 2020, the environment was much different since many people did not know what a Biden term would look like. That's to say nothing of potential election fraud which I admittedly cannot prove but I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Exactly, I didn't - and I already explained why in my last post. My points here all stand. As written. You are going to have to control your emotions and accept that. You're welcome.

You didn't, and won't, because you can't back it up. Simple as. I at least posted a list earlier about what I saw good and bad that Trump had achieved during his Presidency. A lot more bad things for sure.

Just for clarify, here's what I put in the other thread...

PLUS
Weirdly, he actually ended up increasing funding for Obamacare.
Let many states legalise cannabis for medical use.
Improved health care equipment use.
Aid for farmers.
Operation Warp Speed (albeit see below)
Improving some trade
Some sanctions against Russia

CON
Made the country the most partisan it has ever been on political lines.
Left the position with the second lowest rating ever (behind Dubya).
Manipulating the Supreme Court appointments so Roe vs Wade could be overturned.
Mishandled COVID responses and lockdowns, resultiong in hundred of thousands of unneeded deaths.
The failure of the wall.
Tripled the national debt.
Reduced safety laws and payments for overtime.

And I'm going to put this one outside of the headers, as I'm not sure which it really falls under. Aside from focussing on illegal immigration, Trump also made it harder for legal immigration too.

[Autbot_Benz]

Trump found guilty on all 34 counts

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Breaking News: Donald Trump was found guilty of all 34 counts in his Manhattan trial, making him the first former president to become a felon.

[Mayhem]

He’s obviously going to appeal, but this is a marker statement from the jury in the run up to the election. Cue cries of rigged, libtard judges et al from the rabid MAGA zombies.

[IndigoErth]

Head still cloudy from dental work, but at least the numbing helps make for a good smirk...

[Mayhem]

Todd Blanche, Trump's lead lawyer, tells Justice Merchan there is "no reason that the court should allow the verdict" because of Michael Cohen's testimony.

He says "perjury was committed" - claiming Cohen lied on the stand.

Justice Merchan then denies their motion to move for an acquittal of charges.

You mean for the same reason Cohen went to prison on Trump’s behalf previously?

[ResidentEvil7]

I ****ing hate Democrats because of what they've done to America, Trump and his supporters for years! They have never accepted America as a great nation and they NEVER accepted Trump as an elected president; in fact they stole 2020 from him, using COVID and mail-in ballots to rig it!

First it was Hilary who wouldn't accept her loss, then Biden stole 2020, and now he's rigging 2024, to which he knows he's losing!

And just now as I write, my IL governor JB Pritzker said "Donald Trump is a racist, a homophobe and a grifter, and stupid and ignorant." I say to JB to shut his fat head mouth up! I never take you and your lying hate filled Democrat party seriously!

[Mayhem]

Well the grift part is right, literally minutes after the verdict, there’s pleads on Truth Social for people to donate to “fight the system”. Where’s all your money now Sleepy Don?

Interesting there’s been absolutely no mention of an appeal yet, in fact the defence asked for the sentencing date to be delayed due to the action in Florida, to which the prosecution agreed (so set for July 11th).

[RaphaelinSTL]

Lock him up.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I feel like him being found guilty was inevitable.

Now whether this will harm him or benefit him is what interests me. My prediction is that many far-right voters will only support him even more, because "the system is against our guy".

Myself personally, I still believe that Trump is the lesser of two evils.

[CyberCubed]

Trump is 77, he'll probably die soon. He's in poor health and all this stress has to be taking a toll on him. Not to mention he's never had a healthy diet his whole life. It's time some of you let him go.

[Iroh]

I guess I'm one of the few that through everything. All of this is just an act for the gullible. It's the same with the Johnny Depp/Heard trial. America is in the most gullible and vulnerable state where most of the people will fall for everything. In reality, we're about to enter into a new world war. Businesses are closing down and the cost of living is becoming unbearable. This trial was nothing but another form of entertainment for those who believe Trump will be locked up for his crimes. He's not. The presidency has always been a joke since Washington because it's the British and the satanic organizations in hidden places that are pulling the strings. I'm so tired of seeing Trump and Biden for as long as I live. We need a competent leader who is younger and more alert. Not geezers that look like they just want to go home and sleep.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Iroh

I guess I'm one of the few that through everything. All of this is just an act for the gullible. It's the same with the Johnny Depp/Heard trial. America is in the most gullible and vulnerable state where most of the people will fall for everything. In reality, we're about to enter into a new world war. Businesses are closing down and the cost of living is becoming unbearable. This trial was nothing but another form of entertainment for those who believe Trump will be locked up for his crimes. He's not. The presidency has always been a joke since Washington because it's the British and the satanic organizations in hidden places that are pulling the strings. I'm so tired of seeing Trump and Biden for as long as I live. We need a competent leader who is younger and more alert. Not geezers that look like they just want to go home and sleep.

You are smart. If only more people wake up and realise who is really pulling the strings of the United States, then real action can be taken.

Trump is controlled opposition. He says things that irritates the establishment, like a burglar who ruins the heist for the rest.

That does not change that he is one of them.

Trump expected to lose in 2016, but went white as a ghost and was horrified when he didn't.That should tell you what Trump's role is.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

You are smart. If only more people wake up and realise who is really pulling the strings of the United States, then real action can be taken.

Well it's certainly not us far more likely to be Russia and/or China...

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Iroh

it's the British and the satanic organizations in hidden places that are pulling the strings.

...Count Binface is running America? I can believe it.

[Iroh]

The future of America will be discussed after the wild sex orgies and the molech rituals at Bohemian Grove this year on July 4th. After all, this is the place where the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima was discussed at before it happened. It wasn't at an office, the white house, or the Pentagon. It was conducted at the place of sin. If Count Binface is at Bohemian Grove this year, I guess you were right, ZariusTwo! ROFLMAO!

[Coola Yagami]

So I guess ol' Don is finally cooked. Even with appeals, there's no way he can get all 34 counts appealed.

I don't know about actual prison time, but it's time for Trump to pull out that pocketbook. Assuming his followers don't pay on his behalf with all these sneakers, NFTs, gold bars, bibles, and whatever else he's peddling. Maybe Trump steaks will make a comeback?