When did Star Wars become a bad franchise?

[Antoniocafe]

I'm not gonna use the word "bad". But I'm kind of on overload with the franchise. The original trilogy, the prequel trilogy, the first Clone Wars show/movies (ive always watched the two as movies, the second Clone Wars cartoon, and the Rebels cartoon are more than enough to last me for years.

I never even completed the sequel trilogy or the Mandelorian series. I have no interest in checking out the Ahsoka, the Bad Batch, or Acolyte series. I did watch the Tales of the Jedi and the Obi-Wan Kenobi limited series(es). But Like I said, I don't need any more, I've had my fill.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Snowglare

I think the books did a solid job of exploring that question.

They did until they didn't. Somewhere around after the Young Jedi Knights books, everything during the Yuuzhung Vong invasion and them suddenly pumping out prequel books... it quickly became way, way too much. They should have stuck to one book a year, tops.

[Bahamut810]

If you are looking at a specific point?

When Disney announced that the Extended Universe was not canon anymore. Decades of stories, comics and video games roasted that the hardcore fans were invested in.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

When Disney announced that the Extended Universe was not canon anymore. Decades of stories, comics and video games roasted that the hardcore fans were invested in.

Well, they did it to themselves. It was way too much, too convoluted and too ridiculous to even try and keep up with anymore. It had a good 10 year run or so, but that was it.

Now, do I think anything that Disney has done new SINCE then is in any way BETTER than than the EU? Not at all. But the wipe always had to happen.

[CyberCubed]

Literally 90% of people had no idea the EU even existed. How many people can honestly name Han/Leia's children? Or Luke's child or Mara Jade? Most people have no idea who any of these characters are. Outside of very hardcore Star Wars fans or people who followed the franchise heavily in the 90's, most people were not even aware they existed or just vaguely aware.

I knew there were Star Wars comics/novels and played a lot of the videogames at the time but there was no way for me to get into them (I never bought any comics back then), so I didn't really care.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Literally 90% of people had no idea the EU even existed. How many people can honestly name Han/Leia's children? Or Luke's child or Mara Jade? Most people have no idea who any of these characters are. Outside of very hardcore Star Wars fans or people who followed the franchise heavily in the 90's, most people were not even aware they existed or just vaguely aware.

It's just ridiculous. There's Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin II... and by the end of it all, two of them became Sith Lords and had to be killed (and apparently Lucasfilm forced the writers to kill off Anakin II for some stupid reason?), and the Emperor was resurrected twice and defeated both times. It's a mess. And anyone honestly expected an Episode VII taking place in the aftermath of all that stuff? There was never any chance of that.

[CyberCubed]

Honestly a lot of that really does sound like bad fanfiction. I know there are many good stories there, but a lot of it just sounds like....what some teenager would come up with in their fanfics.

As said what we have now "officially" in the sequel trilogy isn't really any better, or even half the spinoff shows they have on Disney+. I guess that Star Wars is really just hard to continue for a long period of time without the core cast or continuing the story. Even the Mandalorian show fell off in the third season.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

First Galactic Republic = Weimar Republic

Galactic Empire = Nazi Germany

Second Galactic Republic = West Germany

That's why I think the 2010's Star Wars sequels should be set in a Cold War-like era in the Star Wars Galaxy (it is actually called the Sky River Galaxy). A Soviet and GDR-like state should be the villains, and control half of that galaxy for a long time.

There should be some fighting and two military alliances, but also some spies, as both sides have developed Death Star-like space battle stations, ready to strike against each other. Massive forcefields, surrounding planets controlled by the bad guys and girls, should play the same role as the Berlin Wall once did on Earth. At the end, the good guys and girls shut down the forcefields and unite the galaxy.

[BornAgain]

It hasn’t been interesting since it was on the cutting edge of technology.

[Bahamut810]

Dont get me wrong, I am in the same boat that I never really got into EU. The way that I remember them doing it, just unceremoniously dumping it and all but telling long time hardcore fans to eff off, just told me how they were going to treat those fans and the property in general.

[CyberCubed]

At most, I'd love to see the Thrawn trilogy novels adapted into a CG/cartoon similar to the Clone Wars cartoons, as an "elseworlds" tale just to let us see how that would play out in a series of short episodes/specials or however they want to do it. Considering they brought Thrawn back in Rebels and now Ahsoka, they clearly know people like the character.

As of right now there's no new Star Wars cartoon. What ended:

- Star Wars Clone Wars
- Star Wars Rebels
- Star Wars Bad Batch
- Star Wars Tales of the Jedi and Empire (shorts)

There was also Star Wars Visions which were shorts done in anime style from various artists, and the original cartoon version of Star Wars Clone Wars that aired on Cartoon Network.

Strangely enough they haven't announced any new Star Wars cartoon so far. I wonder if they're going to.

[frank_one]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Honestly a lot of that really does sound like bad fanfiction.

The same can be said about the new movies.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's just ridiculous. There's Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin II... and by the end of it all, two of them became Sith Lords and had to be killed (and apparently Lucasfilm forced the writers to kill off Anakin II for some stupid reason?), and the Emperor was resurrected twice and defeated both times. It's a mess. And anyone honestly expected an Episode VII taking place in the aftermath of all that stuff? There was never any chance of that.

Han and Leia's son ended up turning evil and was killed, the Emperor was resurrected and defeated. So what was the point of making it non-canon it they were going to end up copying it anyway?

[CyberCubed]

It's all just published fanfiction.

[Walkabout]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's all just published fanfiction.

This pretty much sums up how I feel.
Nearly all the EU stuff I ever read or heard about just didn't pass the "feels like Star Wars" test.
Yuzhong Vong? Thrown? Xizor?
Han and Leia's kids?


I should point out I'm talking about the setting of the original movies here.

[neatoman]

So does the Acolyte cancellation give us an answer to whether or not Disney themselves think this franchise has rotted beyond repair?

[tmntpower1988]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So does the Acolyte cancellation give us an answer to whether or not Disney themselves think this franchise has rotted beyond repair?

Cancelled already? I was planning on giving it a watch this weekend, see how bad it is

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I'm sure this topic will have a fair consensus and that most people will agree.

December 15, 2017.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Most would say beginning with Last Jedi, but I say it was right out of the gate with Force Awakens. It didn't kill the franchise but it showed us exactly what to expect right out of the gate: a big fat return and recreation of ANH, except shi**y.

I don’t know man. It was definitely objectively a bad script, but it had some interesting concepts and world building (although NOTHING like what I imagine a post-Return galaxy to look like), as well as some emotional beats that hit. Rey, Finn and Poe all had potential and the nostalgia factor worked on some level.

But now it’s unwatchable because Last Jedi just takes a frothing sticky piss all over the emotional cliff hanger. In its first 10 minutes.

I can’t even get into it all again… but I randomly get so pissed when I remember how they had Rose jeopardize the entire Resistance over a PETA public service announcement and then again for her bull **** “We won’t win by killing those we hate!” Yes you will. That’s how wars are won.


God damn.

[Wednesday's Serial]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

The moment George Lucas sold his baby into corporate slavery.

Yup. 100%.

I haven't seen anyone talk about how beyond the screen-based stuff, to me the franchise died when this happened because it somehow kept continuity between books, and comics, and any other media. It was a real achievement.

I still feel bad that Dark Horse got screwed by this since Marvel got the comic rights, and for what?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I don’t know man. It was definitely objectively a bad script, but it had some interesting concepts and world building (although NOTHING like what I imagine a post-Return galaxy to look like), as well as some emotional beats that hit. Rey, Finn and Poe all had potential and the nostalgia factor worked on some level.

More like world deconstructing. Literally, everything Luke, Leia and Han fought for was all for nothing. The OT trilogy no longer matters. The Empire just came back and within thirty minutes the New Republic was suddenly "the Rebels" again and they didn't even bother to have it make sense. Han is a smuggler again, there's a new Death Star, nobody even had any kids in the 30 years between trilogies except Han and Leia had 1 kid (and we know what happens to him), etc., etc.. It's all pretty terrible.