Avengers 5: Doomsday

[Andrew NDB]

With... Robert Downey Jr. as Victor Von Doom?

https://deadline.com/2024/07/robert-...YunR2_I-0OBqpw

Hm. This lends credence to the rumors that the Fantastic Four in the new Fantastic Four movie don't JUST come to the present from the 1960s... but also another universe. A universe now, apparently, where Victor Von Doom looks like Tony Stark.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

With... Robert Downey Jr. as Victor Von Doom?

https://deadline.com/2024/07/robert-...YunR2_I-0OBqpw

Hm. This lends credence to the rumors that the Fantastic Four in the new Fantastic Four movie don't JUST come to the present from the 1960s... but also another universe. A universe now, apparently, where Victor Von Doom looks like Tony Stark.

They describe it as a retro futuristic version of the 60s.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

With... Robert Downey Jr. as Victor Von Doom?

https://deadline.com/2024/07/robert-...YunR2_I-0OBqpw

Hm. This lends credence to the rumors that the Fantastic Four in the new Fantastic Four movie don't JUST come to the present from the 1960s... but also another universe. A universe now, apparently, where Victor Von Doom looks like Tony Stark.

... So is it like how Quicksilver and Thanos look like Kraven and Cable?

[Coola Yagami]

I heard Doom might keep his helmet on all the time, as in, Robert Downy Jr doesn't want to distract the audience with his appearance and he might even go for a non-Tony voice.

My only problem with woke Disney being behind this, is that if they're going for a 'they came from the 60's to modern day' theme, they just won't help but have women put that gosh darned misogynistic Reed Richards in his place.

[Barkworm]

This is immediately so much more interesting to me than whatever the Kang film could have been. What a cool idea.

[RaphaelinSTL]

I haven't cared about Marvel movies in years, but getting the right Dr. Doom could've been enough to pull me. Nope. I'm still out, lol.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

This is immediately so much more interesting to me than whatever the Kang film could have been. What a cool idea.

Well, that's not untrue. Though I hope there is still SOME manner of a payoff of the Kang stuff.

[XERO]

I was enjoying the Kang stuff, too, so I hope there's some kind of payoff, as well.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by XERO

I was enjoying the Kang stuff, too, so I hope there's some kind of payoff, as well.

It doesn't need to be much, but it needs to be something.

[Barkworm]

Make Deadpool cameo and say something like "I thought Kang was supposed to appear but I guess he beat up his girlfriend".

Just kidding.

[XERO]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Make Deadpool cameo and say something like "I thought Kang was supposed to appear but I guess he beat up his girlfriend".

Just kidding.

Low key, that'd be funny as f*ck and such a Deadpool thing to say.

[Andrew NDB]

It'd probably be a dance in saying that... without actually saying that. But everyone knowing exactly what he means.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Yup, it's true. RDJ will be Doom. Watched a bit the panel online.

[ZariusTwo]

Kang was such a pushover in the MCU. I'd have dropped the guy and relegated him to a Deadpool flick even IF Majors had been rehired

Doom's been an Iron Man in the past, notably in Bendis' 'Infamous Iron Man' back in 2015

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

I haven't cared about Marvel movies in years, but getting the right Dr. Doom could've been enough to pull me. Nope. I'm still out, lol.

Yeah this sounds like it sucks. Guess we’ll never get a quintessential FF movie. Oh well.

[sdp]

Knee jerk course correction and their pulling big moves here, new idea for Avengers 5, ignoring the 5 year build up. Bringing in RDJ (Called it), probably couldn't get him as Iron Man so they convinced him with the is new role. But he'll still be paid as much as if he were iron man inflating the budget. And by having Dr. Doom in fantastic four you get people to watch that movie since it'll set up the next avengers movie. bold moves but I don't think it'll change much, the MCU is still not going to make a recovery, the peak in Infinity War/End Game will never be replicated again even if everyone was brought back, the mainstream moved on.
Thunderbolts and nu Captain America will still bomb, F4 will likely do better now that RDJ is Dr. Doom but won't be breaking records, it'll do more than fine though. Avengers 5 will be a disappointment in terms of an Avengers movie even if it'll still do a billion.

What a terrible cashgrab decision was to cast RDJ as Dr. Doom. A shame I would've wanted a good Dr. Doom and we'll likely just get Evil Tony Stark now. I mean it'll be amusing to see a know it all be an ass and be correct and be the bad guy but Dr. Doom is not comedic. I'm guessing Secret War will basically be an End Game reunion. "Remember all the characters you loved, here they are again, love us again"

[IMJ]

There is literally NO compelling "Stark as Doom" story that has ever been told nor one that almost any of the hardcore Iron Man fans are excited about seeing. My best and most honest hope for this is that in some montage of Universes we see a short snippet of Stark as Doom somewhat akin to seeing Henry Cavil as Wolverine in the new Deadpool movie.

There is literally no story that carries this narrative that I could give a $#!( about, although I'd be fine with being pleasantly surprised. But that's unlikely given how well I know the source material and how poorly Hollywood tends to chew it up and spit it out anyway.

I dunno. We will see.

Again, I hope this is just a mild misdirection on part of the Russo Brothers and that Stark as Doom is just a cameo.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by IMJ

There is literally NO compelling "Stark as Doom" story that has ever been told nor one that almost any of the hardcore Iron Man fans are excited about seeing. My best and most honest hope for this is that in some montage of Universes we see a short snippet of Stark as Doom somewhat akin to seeing Henry Cavil as Wolverine in the new Deadpool movie.

There is literally no story that carries this narrative that I could give a $#!( about, although I'd be fine with being pleasantly surprised. But that's unlikely given how well I know the source material and how poorly Hollywood tends to chew it up and spit it out anyway.

I dunno. We will see.

Again, I hope this is just a mild misdirection on part of the Russo Brothers and that Stark as Doom is just a cameo.

Did they confirm that this character is Tony Stark? I know it might sound insane but we don't have an actual reason to think this Tony Stark as Doctor Doom, rather than a Victor Von Doom that just happens to be played by RDJ. If we're going to take the multiverse seriously, then we'll also have to accept things like that there are two versions of the Human Torch look just like Captain America and Killmonger.

[Andrew NDB]

Clearly the Victor Von Doom from the Fantastic Four universe just happens to look like Tony Stark. Now, #1 the fans get RDJ back so the hope is that'll mend bridges with a lot, #2 we'll get a whole lot of the MCU characters seeing Tony Stark's face and getting confused/sympathetic to him ("Tony Stark was a great man, and you've got his face!" and so on). It's still pretty stupid and cowardly.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Did they confirm that this character is Tony Stark? I know it might sound insane but we don't have an actual reason to think this Tony Stark as Doctor rather than Victor Von Doom that just happens to be played by RDJ. If we're going to take the multiverse seriously, then we'll also have to accept things like that there are two versions of the Human Torch look just like Captain America and Killmonger.

I think it's pretty clear what they are going to do and my best guess is going to be the subject of a short article on my site soon.

But my best guess isn't anything I've seen anyone say online yet and all I'll say here is that it involves a repurposing of the original Avengers: Kang Dynasty script, which makes perfect sense because they had already put resources into getting that story developed. I will explain more later, but I don't see anyone discussing the angle I'm driving at anywhere.