When did Star Wars become a bad franchise?

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

More like world deconstructing. Literally, everything Luke, Leia and Han fought for was all for nothing. The OT trilogy no longer matters. The Empire just came back and within thirty minutes the New Republic was suddenly "the Rebels" again and they didn't even bother to have it make sense. Han is a smuggler again, there's a new Death Star, nobody even had any kids in the 30 years between trilogies except Han and Leia had 1 kid (and we know what happens to him), etc., etc.. It's all pretty terrible.

Han and Leia had a kid? Sorry just so out of it. For me Star Wars ended with Revenge of the Sith going into the OG Trilogy.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Han and Leia had a kid?

Ben Solo, aka Kylo Ren, the Vader stand-in of the sequel trilogy.

Leia and Han had several kids in the post-ROTJ universe of the novels and comics, with one of them also turning to the dark side, but Disney declared them all non-canon when they made the movies.

[CyberCubed]

To be honest the damage was already done waiting too long to do the sequel trilogy. Obviously they couldn't adapt the Thrawn novels with Luke/Han/Leia already being too old and they couldn't work around them having kids already grown up. I suppose they could of, but most would have to be changed.

But it was expected, at the time Lucas was just planning the prequel trilogy in the mid/late 90's so obviously there was no expectation for a sequel trilogy back then.

[Coola Yagami]

I mean, there kinda shouldn't have been a sequel trilogy..... but eyyyy money over quality.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

More like world deconstructing. Literally, everything Luke, Leia and Han fought for was all for nothing. The OT trilogy no longer matters. The Empire just came back and within thirty minutes the New Republic was suddenly "the Rebels" again and they didn't even bother to have it make sense. Han is a smuggler again, there's a new Death Star, nobody even had any kids in the 30 years between trilogies except Han and Leia had 1 kid (and we know what happens to him), etc., etc.. It's all pretty terrible.

Yeah it wasn’t great. You had to do a lot of reading between the lines, but even then it still sucked. The new Republic is just so cucked and pacifist that they can’t officially engage the First Order? I guess lol.

I would have enjoyed it more if the First Order was like a punk rock version of the Empire. Instead they were somehow incredibly well funded and EXTREMELY powerful. Like they never missed a beat. They should have been in shambles, which would have explained why the Republic didn’t take them seriously.

I guess what I liked was the concept of stealing children to groom them into storm troopers, Finn was an interesting character for that.


Was there was ever any follow up on Finn’s parents connection to Luke and the rebellion? Snoke got jobbed and I hear they **** the bed with the Knights of Ten

[sdp]

I don't know why people back then praised Episode VII, it's not woke or Last Jedi that ruined star wars, everything VII did f-cked the previous movies up. I remember all the heat I took for being a "contrarian" and disliking episode VII. There's nothing they could've done to save the trilog after force awakens. I still want the star wars star wars Episode VII the trailers promised us

https://miscrave.com/articles/promised-sequel-trilogy/

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

More like world deconstructing. Literally, everything Luke, Leia and Han fought for was all for nothing. The OT trilogy no longer matters. The Empire just came back and within thirty minutes the New Republic was suddenly "the Rebels" again and they didn't even bother to have it make sense. Han is a smuggler again, there's a new Death Star, nobody even had any kids in the 30 years between trilogies except Han and Leia had 1 kid (and we know what happens to him), etc., etc.. It's all pretty terrible.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Was there was ever any follow up on Finn’s parents connection to Luke and the rebellion?

There wasn't any follow-up on anything. And by the time we got to "Rise of Skywalker" there wasn't any time for anything except everybody zipping around on JJ's stupid fetch quest that didn't even make any sense (Kylo travels straight to Palpatine at the beginning... but then suddenly needs the codex to get there? huh?).

[oldmanwinters]

In response to the O.P.

Inarguably: 2019
Definitely: 2017
Probably: 2002
Possibly: 1999
Arguably: 1983

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

In response to the O.P.

Inarguably: 2019
Definitely: 2017
Probably: 2002
Possibly: 1999
Arguably: 1983

What's wrong with RotJ?

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by neatoman

What's wrong with RotJ?

Not much, mostly for being somewhat less than its predecessor.
I love it, especially the Tatooine opening, but it is bit of a hodgepodge all-over-the-place plot with a partially recycled climax from New Hope that started that trend of redoing the Death Star trench run just… do it bigger and flashier.

That’s why I qualified it as “Arguably” from the point of view of the franchise being just past its peak.

I also LOVED Phantom Menace as a high schooler, but I can respect the more seasoned fans who sensed darker (and lamer) times ahead.

[Prowler]

I dunno, but I remember being in 5th grade when Phantom Menace came out and not being a huge fan of it compared to the original trilogy. Attack of the Clones I loathed. I gave up on that movie 45 minutes in when I was a kid. Perhaps I was unfair to it, but I have zero interest in giving it another shot as an adult. My interest in Star Wars died there, and I don't care about the recent movies either.

KOTOR is a good game, though. But that's not canon.

[Andrew NDB]

Going to the theater and seeing Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith... man, I've never heard audiences come alive like that before. Even if months later I'd wonder, "WAS that a good movie?" but there was no denying the experience there. Magical.

[ZariusTwo]

Return of the Jedi was my favourite SW film for a long time because I was a big fan of the Ewoks cartoon, when I got older I started watching a fanedit of the film that totally removed them

I was hyped about Phantom Menace in the summer of '99. I didn't snap it up on VHS or even DVD until decades later though when the then six-episode blu ray collection came out.

[Andrew NDB]

Honestly I enjoy RotJ the most of all. It may not be the "best" film but I find it the most enjoyable. Episode IV is my favorite.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Honestly I enjoy RotJ the most of all. It may not be the "best" film but I find it the most enjoyable.

ROTJ for years was the only one I had on tape in the 90s

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Return of the Jedi was my favourite SW film for a long time because I was a big fan of the Ewoks cartoon, when I got older I started watching a fanedit of the film that totally removed them

I was hyped about Phantom Menace in the summer of '99. I didn't snap it up on VHS or even DVD until decades later though when the then six-episode blu ray collection came out.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Honestly I enjoy RotJ the most of all. It may not be the "best" film but I find it the most enjoyable. Episode IV is my favorite.

For better or worse, RotJ really does a little bit of EVERYTHING that makes Star Wars fun. It's a cafeteria-style movie with the set pieces. You get desert planet, forest planet, rustic palace, Death Star throne room, and outer space battles. If you don't love one part of it, just be patient for the other incoming side items. And it has an over-the-top happy ending, which works well as fan-service given the downer cliff-hanger of Empire's finale.

[Andrew NDB]

What in the holy hooting hell is this?

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sister

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What in the holy hooting hell is this?

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sister

The modern state of the franchise in microcosm?

[member_removed]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Yeah it wasn’t great. You had to do a lot of reading between the lines, but even then it still sucked. The new Republic is just so cucked and pacifist that they can’t officially engage the First Order? I guess lol.

I would have enjoyed it more if the First Order was like a punk rock version of the Empire. Instead they were somehow incredibly well funded and EXTREMELY powerful. Like they never missed a beat. They should have been in shambles, which would have explained why the Republic didn’t take them seriously.

I guess what I liked was the concept of stealing children to groom them into storm troopers, Finn was an interesting character for that.


Was there was ever any follow up on Finn’s parents connection to Luke and the rebellion? Snoke got jobbed and I hear they **** the bed with the Knights of Ten

I whole heartily agree, The First order should've been a shambles. Storm trooper armour made from a combination of clone and storm armour, etc. Inexperienced boy generals (which, we kind of got with Hux). Like skin head neo nazis compared to German war machine! Rowdy hooligans rather than loyal well-trained soldiers.

The Knights of Ren, should've been like ISIS or Hezbollah, Sith fanatics with little to no force training. Which become allied with The Order over they're hate of the new republic.

And the republic should've been seen as a big bloated govt organisation with little to no concept of the actual threat.

I still find it difficult to believe Luke would turn his back on the Republic, the Jedi Order and has family.

Originally Posted by sdp

I don't know why people back then praised Episode VII, it's not woke or Last Jedi that ruined star wars, everything VII did f-cked the previous movies up. I remember all the heat I took for being a "contrarian" and disliking episode VII. There's nothing they could've done to save the trilog after force awakens. I still want the star wars star wars Episode VII the trailers promised us

https://miscrave.com/articles/promised-sequel-trilogy/

You were absolutory right, it's remake of Ep IV with nothing new to offer.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Honestly I enjoy RotJ the most of all. It may not be the "best" film but I find it the most enjoyable. Episode IV is my favorite.

The opening crawl of Phantom, the lightsabre fight with Maul, Yoda pulling out his lightsabre in Clones, the theatres came alive the undeniable energy in the room, there was denying it. (I regret watching Sith in an empty cinema on opening day in a small town now).

Not great movies, but at least it was a consist trilogy.

[Coola Yagami]

I swear, they'll never learn that the 'Force isn't female' so much as most 'females' only go there cause their boyfriends/husbands are dragging them along to the movies.

Like how often do a bunch of women all agree to go to the movies to go watch the latest Star Wars?