Marvel Studios Daredevil Born Again

[MikeandRaph87]

Vanessa Fisk takes over Kingpin's empire while he runs for mayor. It seems she actually is evil instead of a bystander or victim of her love for Wilson. A gray area as depicted in the comics, but no more.
https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel...6069#gs.k9f6rx

[Andrew NDB]

If I were to speculate... Fisk really is good at the beginning. Then the wife makes him bad again.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.darkhorizons.com/daredev...egins-filming/

"Season 2" has begun filming. But I think this is just the second half of the original 18 episode order.

And also... proper skull on Punisher's chest... a big YES! And it looks better than ever.

[Andrew NDB]

Daredevil vs. Bullseye.

Spoiler:

Eh... I'm really hoping Bullseye isn't just relegated to the first episode, "killing" Foggy and then that's it for him. I'm kind of starting to think that might be it. Worse, if Bullseye is the one that Daredevil KILLS. Ugh. How horrible would that be? Episode 1 and Daredevil's arch nemesis is DEAD.

[MikeandRaph87]

It does look like the showrunner was forced to kill someone to add weight to the story and drive the whole plot. So instead of fridging Karen it will be Foggy alone. I am not familiar with Daredevil's enemies sans Bullseye aside form Stilt Man, Mr. Fear, and The Owl (due to encounters with Spider-Man). Its a shame the plot could not be driven without the death of a regular.

[Andrew NDB]

Sounds like my "leak" from last June has turned out to be true:

https://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sh...&postcount=106

But apparently

Spoiler:

Foggy has died and come back in the comics, or faked his death or something for his own protection... so there is some possibility there?

Honestly if either Foggy or Karen had to go, I'd rather it be Karen. With Foggy you have all the history of them going back to college and all. Karen's been kind of a mess, and this WOULD be about "the time" she was killed off in the comics.

So it's out right now. Anybody seen it?

[Drose18]

You're a bit early, its only gonna be out in 5-6 hours

[Autbot_Benz]

those episodes were great. More Marvel stuff like DD less like the sugary crap they usually give us.


Also love Fisk's nod to 3 certain vigilantes

Spoiler:

“We don’t need a gun-toting vigilante with a skull on his chest (Punisher) or, or a man who dresses in a spider outfit,(Spider-Man) or a guy who wears devil horns to save us (Daredevil).

[Andrew NDB]

So... Henson (Foggy) and Woll (Karen) are both coming back for Season 2 of Born Again that's filming now.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/henson-...-daredevil-s2/

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Also love Fisk's nod to 3 certain vigilantes

It'd have been nice if 2 of the 3 weren't ones that have already been seen on the show. Like a Captain America or GotG reference out of D'onofrio's mouth might have been something.

That reminds me in a roundabout way. Are we ever going to see the "finished" Statue of Liberty in the MCU? It was nearly done in Spider-Man: No Way Home until the Spider-Men started dicking with it.

[Andrew NDB]

Well this is a little upsetting if true... Agatha All Along averaged 2 more million views than Born Again in week 1?

https://www.darkhorizons.com/daredev...ws-7-5m-views/

[Drose18]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Well this is a little upsetting if true... Agatha All Along averaged 2 more million views than Born Again in week 1?

https://www.darkhorizons.com/daredev...ws-7-5m-views/

mind-boggling.

Agatha was pretty good and a fun watch but its a shame the general public would prefer that over Daredevil

[Mayhem]

Agatha was a 14, Daredevil is 18 here in the UK so… demographics?

[ZariusTwo]

Spoiler:

Miles Morales' dad got a shout out in today's episode

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Does Matt Murdock popping up in a She-Hulk or Kingpin popping up in somethimg called Echo matter to the season 4_Born Again series?

Spoiler:

So far his She-Hulk appearances don't make any difference to Born Again. Echo is -- unfortunately -- another story. The ending of Echo is the whole reason Fisk is the way he is at the start of Born Again, and D'onofrio has reiterated that in interviews. So if you don't see Echo it won't make any sense why Kingpin is suddenly so legit chill and good.

I do not watch everything only what appeals to me. One thing though, after the three way fight after Wilson and Vanessa's wedding, Wilson agrees to Daredevil's demand to go to prison and not have Vanessa implicated in the hit on Agent Nadeem. How does he get out the second time and able to run for the mayorship?

You don't quite have it right. The deal was, Wilson will keep Daredevil's secret safe ("You WILL keep my secret!") and leave his loved ones alone OR Daredevil will get Vanessa locked up for the Nadeem thing and presumably other things as well. That's it, that was the deal, nothing about a guarantee of him staying in prison. And unless it turns out Fisk had something to do with Bullseye and Foggy, Fisk kept up his end of the deal so there really isn't any reason for Daredevil to go after Vanessa. Yet. She'll probably do something bad and he'll have to, is where that's going.

Also, Kingpin getting out of prison brings up a question. I mean, I'm sure there's a story to how he was able to that we just haven't heard yet, but let's say you're serving a 10 year sentence... and suddenly the Blip happens and you vanish for 5 years and come back? Does that 5 years count as time served?

[XERO]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Also, Kingpin getting out of prison brings up a question. I mean, I'm sure there's a story to how he was able to that we just haven't heard yet, but let's say you're serving a 10 year sentence... and suddenly the Blip happens and you vanish for 5 years and come back? Does that 5 years count as time served?

That is a very legit question to ask. I forget if Fisk was snapped or not, though. Either way, it would effect his prison time.

[IMJ]

Apparently this show's viewership is pretty awful? It wouldn't surprise me - Daredevil is solid, but it's on Disney Plus and that's been hemorrhaging subscribers. Combine that with all goodwill towards Marvel is depleted and maybe that's that?

Also - question for people who still have Disney+. Can you power watch this show or is it a weekly episodic release? If you can't power watch it that might have something to do with the ratings. Power Watching full seasons is the new way.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Also - question for people who still have Disney+. Can you power watch this show or is it a weekly episodic release?

The Netflix shows were all full dumps, every season. This one is weekly on Tuesdays.

Also, for all the talk about Feige scrapping so much of the original version of this show... the showrunner has recently admitted they basically didn't scrap ANYTHING. They kept the 6 episodes that were originally shot, they just added and shot 2 new episodes (episodes 1 and 2 that are out now) and a final one after the original 6 shot. And then added some new scenes into those original 6. Most notably, though they don't talk about it (but this HAD to have happened), reshooting everything they shot with D'onofrio and the chick they recast his wife with then with the original Netflix actress.

https://collider.com/daredevil-born-...ries-reshoots/

Which is interesting, because there was so much talk about "everything they shot originally" was just a boring courtroom drama where Daredevil didn't suit up at all. And we're seeing that now in episode 3, which was the first episode originally shot before the overhaul and new shooting. But I think things will pick up when Punisher shows up and he gets skeeved about the crooked cops with the Punisher symbol.

[Andrew NDB]

Interesting... so Jon Bernthal really did walk away from the original version of this. So all of his involvement in this (and he just showed up in episode 4) must strictly be the reshoots/added material.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/jon-ber...n-new-special/

[Drose18]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Interesting... so Jon Bernthal really did walk away from the original version of this. So all of his involvement in this (and he just showed up in episode 4) must strictly be the reshoots/added material.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/jon-ber...n-new-special/

Surprised they even wanted Punisher at all in that original version based on all the rumors about it being way toned down

Spoiler:

The Frank scene from last nights episode was phenomenal

[Andrew NDB]

Probably they wanted to trot Jon Bernthal out there as a version of what the comics tried to do to him a while back, and probably has a lot to do with the crooked cops taking up the skull stuff. Which is still there, but probably beforehand there was a heavy political or anti-police slant that he didn't like.

Also... she may pretend not to, but we KNOW why:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...xzJDb6kGHCdZqa