Avengers 5: Doomsday

[ToTheNines]

Wait, are we mercifully being spared any Captain Marvel nonsense?

[Coola Yagami]

Hmmm good point. I didn't see Brie Larson's name anywhere.

[Autbot_Benz]

I’m just excited for Alan Cumming’s Nightcrawler to be back after all these years

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Hmmm good point. I didn't see Brie Larson's name anywhere.

There's a lot of people's names that aren't there but obviously will be in the movie.

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

I’m just excited for Alan Cumming’s Nightcrawler to be back after all these years

It was fairly criminal he wasn't in X3 after all that big intro in X2. Or even Days of Future Past. But you know what is just plain days past? The Fox-Men. This is 20 years too late and who cares now, and where's the real MCU X-Men?

[Stu_Padasso]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

What a shi-t show. This is going to be an enormous convoluted mess. Not every brand or IP has to be interconnected to each other. What’s next? Is Elsa from Frozen going to be a mutant with ice powers?

And people wonder why these movies and comics don’t sell anymore.

At this point, both Marvel Comics and Marvel Studios have become like an old building that needs to be condemned. You can put in a fancy chandelier like Deadpool and Wolverine but that doesn’t change the fact that it needs to be torn down.

You’re seeing the sunken cost fallacy in action.

[Andrew NDB]

I admit, combining some of the least liked IPs in the MCU from Disney+ with the f***ing Fox-Men... talk about something that's difficult to get excited about.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

So, the film is full of Fox-Men characters? Why? Who asked for them?

Bryan Singer’s young boyfriends.

[Andrew NDB]

This brings up a good question. What IS there to get excited about in this movie? Beyond a general sort of sense that the Russos will make lemonade from Phase 4's lemons -- SOMEHOW.

Like, what is there? Seeing Robert Downey Jr. as Victor Von Doom? I still HATE that idea.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

This brings up a good question. What IS there to get excited about in this movie? Beyond a general sort of sense that the Russos will make lemonade from Phase 4's lemons -- SOMEHOW.

Like, what is there? Seeing Robert Downey Jr. as Victor Von Doom? I still HATE that idea.

Good point. Seeing Sam form and lead his own Avengers team? Which is fine, but seems like he’ll never escape living in Steve’s shadow if that’s all he’s gonna do.

There’s been no build up to anything. We’ll meet Doom later this year, then he’s the big bad of an Avengers flick 1 year later? Yikes. We had 6 years between meeting Thanos and him stepping into the limelight.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

This brings up a good question. What IS there to get excited about in this movie? Beyond a general sort of sense that the Russos will make lemonade from Phase 4's lemons -- SOMEHOW.

Like, what is there? Seeing Robert Downey Jr. as Victor Von Doom? I still HATE that idea.

Dude, you know. RdJ as Doom and now the return of the the Fox-Men. Plus with all these characters it makes the movie feel 'bigger' and more 'important'. I mean it is am Avengers movie after all, and do many characters make this feel like an all hands on deck Avengers level threat.

[Andrew NDB]

I really hope I'm wrong, but I'm still feeling like all of this sudden "love" for the Fox-Men is just to give audiences and X-Men fans something resembling the real X-Men before we get the actual super-DEIed/LGBBQed MCU version that is sure to piss off large swaths of the fandom. And also so that Marvel and Feige can still say, "You don't like the MCU X-Men? Don't worry! The Fox-Men are still out there, too, in the multiverse!"

[Coola Yagami]

It's kind of odd. Stuff like this really does retroactively turn the Fox movies unti part of the MCU.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It's kind of odd. Stuff like this really does retroactively turn the Fox movies unti part of the MCU.

Not really. Not any more than the Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield movies are suddenly MCU films because of No Way Home.

As far as I'm concerned, the only pre-MCU Marvel movie that SHOULD be a part of the MCU is the original Ang Lee "Hulk." You can tell it was even supposed to be, what with it ending right where "Incredible Hulk" picked up in South America.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Not really. Not any more than the Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield movies are suddenly MCU films because of No Way Home.

As far as I'm concerned, the only pre-MCU Marvel movie that SHOULD be a part of the MCU is the original Ang Lee "Hulk." You can tell it was even supposed to be, what with it ending right where "Incredible Hulk" picked up in South America.

I mean they kinda are. If it was a story cameo maybe, but all the villains stories continued in that one.

[Stu_Padasso]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I really hope I'm wrong, but I'm still feeling like all of this sudden "love" for the Fox-Men is just to give audiences and X-Men fans something resembling the real X-Men before we get the actual super-DEIed/LGBBQed MCU version that is sure to piss off large swaths of the fandom. And also so that Marvel and Feige can still say, "You don't like the MCU X-Men? Don't worry! The Fox-Men are still out there, too, in the multiverse!"

I was listening to the WDW Pro channel on YouTube earlier today and one of the panelists theorized that because so many of the Fox characters were white and male they decided to add a bunch of D-list characters to fill out the checkmarks.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Stu_Padasso

I was listening to the WDW Pro channel on YouTube earlier today and one of the panelists theorized that because so many of the Fox characters were white and male they decided to add a bunch of D-list characters to fill out the checkmarks.

At least in terms of this initial "announcement trailer." Obviously at the VERY least Spider-Man is in it, and so is Peter Quill. MINIMUM.

[sdp]

This movie will hit a billion right? But it'll barely reach it and will be the worst performing Avengers movie. People will point out that the MCU is dead and fans will proclaim "if it's dead why did it do a billion!!11".

But the downward trend is there, obviously Spider-Man, X-Men, Iron Man will bring big numbers but none of the highs they got and they'll continue to do less with each entry. The B/C list heroes will continue to bomb besides an exception or two. You can blame bad writing and planning but even if it had been perfect the mainstream had already moved on, the bad writing and planning is just accelerating the inevitable.

[Coola Yagami]

Apparently the woke crowd is complaining that She Hulk and Cap Marvel aren't in it. Screw em.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Apparently the woke crowd is complaining that She Hulk and Cap Marvel aren't in it. Screw em.

They probably are in it. And the She Hulk actress just cancelled a bunch of convention appearances due to "film commitments" right as they're shooting Doomsday.

[IMJ]

I've seen that She-Hulk's story-role in these is supposed to be as big as The Vision's arc was in the last two Avengers flicks.