Minnesota shooting

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like another deranged trans shooter?

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/sh...oter-contained

[ToTheNines]

Kinda petty to immediately jump on the culture war politics of something like this. But yeah… check out what he/she wrote on their magazines. Clearly not a stable person.

[Coola Yagami]

Already the usual suspects care more about how this makes trans people look bad over this being a tragedy.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

But yeah… check out what he/she wrote on their magazines. Clearly not a stable person.

Do we get to read the manifesto this time? Or is that going to be hidden again?

[ToTheNines]

I didn’t go looking for it, but apparently the manifesto was a YouTube video that hadn’t been 100 percent verified at the time of reporting.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I don't live in the USA but for anyone living there, do you fear that everyday outside could see you caught up in a Mass shooting or does the media amplify the risk?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

do you fear that everyday outside could see you caught up in a Mass shooting or does the media amplify the risk?

Ridiculous. Of course the latter. But it's not your fault if you think the former as a result of the media.

Maybe in Chicago. But then it'd probably be in some kind of a gang shootout, which they don't count as "mass shootings" because it doesn't fit the narrative.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Do we get to read the manifesto this time? Or is that going to be hidden again?

Yes, basically blaming society for bullying him and being prejudiced for him not being staight or cis. Which is par for the course, because so many on the right like to hate on anyone not like them. And we all know America's record on helping people with any kind of mental health issue...

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ridiculous. Of course the latter. But it's not your fault if you think the former as a result of the media.

Maybe in Chicago. But then it'd probably be in some kind of a gang shootout, which they don't count as "mass shootings" because it doesn't fit the narrative.

There's no comparable risk of getting gunned down in any other civilized country. It's no "narrative", your system is comepletely broken.

[KaraiLover09]

It's more of a mental health issue. Other countries have guns and they don't have school shootings be as common place as they seem to be in the US. It's almost every other month. The media might be 'exaggerating' but they bring it up a lot because it keeps happening.

It doesn't help that this country glorifies mental issues instead of trying to fix them. You have people on social media proudly displaying their 5-6 mental disorders as if they were a badge of honor and nobody sees anything wrong with it. Until the next shooting.

[ToTheNines]

At this point it’s just a series of copycat crimes committed by losers who want their face on the news after they die. Guns don’t really make a difference one way or another. The deadliest “terror attack” in modern history was committed with an armored truck. Not a single round was fired.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

At this point it’s just a series of copycat crimes committed by losers who want their face on the news after they die. Guns don’t really make a difference one way or another. The deadliest “terror attack” in modern history was committed with an armored truck. Not a single round was fired.

Don’t you mean an airplane or two? Or you only referring to ground based assaults (presume you’re referring to Timothy McVey here)?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

There's no comparable risk of getting gunned down in any other civilized country.

Here's where the disparity comes in. "Civilized country" metrics. Apparently countries like Mexico and Venezuela and Ecuador are "uncivilized" (but they don't like to say that) and are excluded from the metrics as there's about a 3000% higher chance you'll get blown away on vacation and/or kidnapped and beheaded or ransomed or hacked to little bits and dissolved in barrels of acid there than in the U.S..

Everyone I know in Germany has like the worst blinders on about these things, I swear.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Here's where the disparity comes in. "Civilized country" metrics. Apparently countries like Mexico and Venezuela and Ecuador are "uncivilized" (but they don't like to say that) and are excluded from the metrics as there's about a 3000% higher chance you'll get blown away on vacation and/or kidnapped and beheaded or ransomed or hacked to little bits and dissolved in barrels of acid there than in the U.S..

Main reason I don't even want to go there not even to visit friends and family anymore.

Either you get targeted because they think you have money (as all gringos apparently do, never mind the fact a vacation to Mexico costs less than Disneyland/world), or you get caught in the the crossfire since these guys have zero qualms about trying to take each other out in broad daylight without caring if regular people are just going about their business.

I'm not saying that doesn't happen in the US at times but 95% of the time the warring gangs and stuff at least wait until night time before they start shooting each other.

[Daytona]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ridiculous. Of course the latter. But it's not your fault if you think the former as a result of the media.

Maybe in Chicago. But then it'd probably be in some kind of a gang shootout, which they don't count as "mass shootings" because it doesn't fit the narrative.

This exactly.

I mean there are more shootings than you hear about - bc there are many people here. The ones you do hear about however are chosen and highlighted to form specific narratives and covered only when useful.

This is because, by whatever means, our mainstream forms of media and entertainment have essentially been commandeered by the Democratic Party.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I'm not saying that doesn't happen in the US at times but 95% of the time the warring gangs and stuff at least wait until night time before they start shooting each other.

And they literally own the police, in most cases. As bad as some liberal cities have gotten here in the U.S., you can't even say that about any of them. It's reasons like these that when people start to talk about "The U.S. is the scariest, most violent sh**hole on the planet, and by far!" this just elicits an immediate eye roll -- these people have no idea what they're talking about or live in a bubble.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

And they literally own the police, in most cases. As bad as some liberal cities have gotten here in the U.S., you can't even say that about any of them. It's reasons like these that when people start to talk about "The U.S. is the scariest, most violent sh**hole on the planet, and by far!" this just elicits an immediate eye roll -- these people have no idea what they're talking about or live in a bubble.

yep, there's no right vs left **** over there, it's more a rich vs poor thing, and the violence there is everybody's problem. If things are covered up in the news it's more to not provoke the ire of the wrong people, and not so much to push a culture war narrative.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Daytona

This exactly.

I mean there are more shootings than you hear about - bc there are many people here. The ones you do hear about however are chosen and highlighted to form specific narratives and covered only when useful.

This is because, by whatever means, our mainstream forms of media and entertainment have essentially been commandeered by the Democratic Party.

Exactly, but we aren't supposed to address that on these forums. Which I often do address and "they" don't like it.

The U.S. criticisms about shootings from people outside the U.S. is the easiest of low-hanging fruit to attack our society with. And in many ways, rightfully so - school shootings and Chicago-culture related to violence are a mess. But there are a variety of reasons that people can gaslight Americans when addressing these issues.

-Ratios involving the size of the U.S. to violence (i.e. Germany is roughly only the size of Montana, so in that example you are talking about a proportion of violence that doesn't even remotely include an equally large "melting pot" of people, let alone the size of the U.S. And any melting pot of culture that is arising in Germany is causing a ton of social-issues from increased immigration)

-Metric reporting (Andrew tackled this one nicely above)

-Or how about prolific news? Other nations file reports about what happens in the U.S. probably 30 to 1 what the U.S. reports about social-news going on around the rest of the world. In many cases 48% of foreigners follow news about the U.S. I guarantee that half of America doesn't follow news about the raging violence and homelessness in France or the fact that 32% of women have experienced physical, sexual, or psychological violence in Germany. 32%. In a country the size of Montana.

And there are several more points I could add to this as well. Basically, this forum sees an amount of U.S. vitriol from members who are counting on "blind arguments" on a regular basis. It's gaslighting at it's finest from people in countries who hide the hell out of their raging problems while pointing fingers at alleged failures of the U.S.

Once again, evidence that they are disingenuous. Don't believe them because the agenda shines through. America is the greatest country on Earth, but our dirty laundry gets aired out in front of a world that counts on Americans not scrutinizing them back. It's the oldest tactic of angry smaller-guys who are "punching upward" in the playbook.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Exactly, but we aren't supposed to address that on these forums. Which I often do address and "they" don't like it.

The U.S. criticisms about shootings from people outside the U.S. is the easiest of low-hanging fruit to attack our society with. And in many ways, rightfully so - school shootings and Chicago-culture related to violence are a mess. But there are a variety of reasons that these kinds of events are apparently more prolific than other countries.

-Ratios involving the size of the U.S. to violence (i.e. Germany is roughly only the size of Montana so the proportion of violence needs to be distilled down a city that isn't even remotely the melting pot of the United States)
-Metric reporting (Andrew tackled this one nicely above)
-Or how about prolific news? Other nations file reports about what happens in the U.S. probably 30 to 1 what the U.S. reports about social-news going on around the rest of the world. In many cases 48% of foreigners follow news about the U.S. I guarantee that half of America doesn't follow news about the raging violence and homelessness in France or the fact that 32% of women have experienced physical, sexual, or psychological violence in Germany

Basically, this forum has a significant amount of U.S. vitriol from members who are counting on "blind arguments" on a regular basis. It's gaslighting at it's finest from people in countries who hide the hell out of their raging problems while pointing fingers at alleged failures of the U.S.

Once again, evidence that they are disingenuous. Don't believe them because the agenda shines through.

I think the main reason other countries are so quick to point out America's problems is due to how overly arrogant we are in telling anyone that would listen how great we are and how our country is the best in the world. People love to see arrogance fall.

I remember back in the day reports showed third world countries literally dancing in the streets after 9/11 as a kind of 'ha-ha, the oh so great America isn't so invincible after all' kind of sentiment.

I mean the argument can be made that the US is the best country in the world but we gain nothing in being arrogant boastful pricks about it.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by sdp

School/mass shootings are literally a US problem. It doesn't happen anywhere else in the world like it does there. It's a culture problem.

People look at me funny when I tell them in the US I had school shooting drills growing up.

Or metal detectors. I was there when it was a new thing, but seeing it brought up in the 2012 TMNT cartoon showed me just how normalized it has become.