Post your TMNT hot takes here.

[Mirror image]

I guess I might as well begin.

1. Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is the second best Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie after the one from 1990.

2. Old Man River and Bloodsucker are the best Mirage TMNT villains after the Shredder.

3. Michealangelo committing Styracodon genocide just because his girlfriend dumped him is the worst momment in all of TMNT and way worse than April O'Neil getting it on with a cockroach

4. TMNT(2007) is a worse Ninja Turtles film than Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III and may I add that the Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie did both a better interdimensional invasion and Leonardo learning how to become a leader story than the TMNT film from 2007.

5. The Fred Wolf cartoon Casey Jones is honestly a better representation of the Mirage Casey Jones then the 2003 4kids Casey Jones.

[ToTheNines]

We do have an “unpopular opinion” thread, which is basically the same thing: https://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sh...ad.php?t=61448

Originally Posted by Mirror image

I guess I might as well begin.

1. Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is the second best Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie after the one from 1990.

I agree, except I’d rank Turtles Forever second best and put Rise third. Not that there’s stiff competition lol.

2. Old Man River and Bloodsucker are the best Mirage TMNT villains after the Shredder.

This is a unique one, kinda hard to argue with though. That is a great story.

4. TMNT(2007) is a worse Ninja Turtles film than Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III and may I add that the Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie did both a better interdimensional invasion and Leonardo learning how to become a leader story than the TMNT film from 2007.

Yeah 2007 is worse than all the 90’s movies, but better than everything that came after it (not counting Forever or vs. Batman).

5. The Fred Wolf cartoon Casey Jones is honestly a better representation of the Mirage Casey Jones then the 2003 4kids Casey Jones.

Big picture, not really. But considering his first two episodes were written and recorded in 1988, yeah that’s an interesting way to look at it.

[neatoman]

Well, I might as well start with the opinion I shared in that other thread and work my way down:

1. I like the Mark Martin issues, I think they're "basically purely comedic TMNT" done right.
2. The FW show was already bad in season one, less bad is not the same as good.
3. When you don't just look at individual episodes and try to examine the thing as a whole, you'll find that the 2012 show tells a pretty sloppy story that relies on largely unearned heart string tugs to keep you invested.
4. The Reporter April thing was a dumb change and I hate that PD, Rise and Mutant Mayhem writers won't let it go, even Human-Utrom Hybrid Ninja April was a better idea than that.
5. Having Splinter be the mutant form of Hamato Yoshi is not better than having him start out as a rat, since it just opens up a bigger can of worms than a rat knowing martial arts, which he doesn't need to have full mastery of right at the start of a fifteen year gap by the way.
6. Bebop and Rocksteady are just annoying and should be phased out instead of treated like an integral part of TMNT, which they weren't outside of the FW cartoon before the mid-2010's by the way.
7. The Technodrome is lame and you know it, such a thing can only be used once before it becomes a joke.
8. Having superhero characters in TMNT like the Justice Force and Nobody is actually fine and it's the the countless other ooze mutants that you should think diminish the Turtles' special place in their world, because giving countless characters the same exact freak accident origin as the Turtles actually does do that, not characters with unrelated origins.
9. I understand why the Utrom Shredder thing was implemented, you can't exactly make it clear that this world is one full of evil alien empires and time travelling wizards just to go back to the primary antagonist just being some guy with knives on his shoulder pads without it looking kinda strange.
10. The Archie TMNT series is a bad comic, it showed some promise towards the end but for the vast majority of its run it was an overly preachy, nonsensical comic with bafflingly bad artwork. I can't just pretend the last 20 or fewer issues of a 70 issue long comic redeemed it.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by neatoman

[*]Having superhero characters in TMNT like the Justice Force and Nobody is actually fine and it's the the countless other ooze mutants that you should think diminish the Turtles' special place in their world, because giving countless characters the same exact freak accident origin as the Turtles actually does do that, not characters with unrelated origins.[/LIST]

Nobody has no superpowers, so I don't think many TMNT fans question him.

[Mirror image]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

We do have an “unpopular opinion” thread, which is basically the same thing: [url]https://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=61448[/url

Sadly the broken search engine of this forum made me discover that way to late .

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mirror image

2. Old Man River and Bloodsucker are the best Mirage TMNT villains after the Shredder.

No they're not, there's other way better villains like... like... oh.

I'd put Baxter way up there, though.

3. Michealangelo committing Styracodon genocide just because his girlfriend dumped him is the worst momment in all of TMNT and way worse than April O'Neil getting it on with a cockroach

If he wasn't doing that it still would have happened.

4. TMNT(2007) is a worse Ninja Turtles film than Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III

Nah, I don't even like it but TMNT (2007) is way better than TMNT II or III. If you scrape out all the bullsh** in the movie, there's still a genuine beating heart there with all the brotherhood stuff and especially the Leo/Raph stuff coming to a head. TMNT II and III doesn't have any of that, just goofiness and camp.

5. The Fred Wolf cartoon Casey Jones is honestly a better representation of the Mirage Casey Jones then the 2003 4kids Casey Jones.

Maybe. I don't think much of anything in 2003 is a good representation of Mirage.

[Mr. Entertainment]

1. I don't think Casey and April should've got married in the Mirage continuity.

2. There's never been a TRULY great action scene in any of the live-action films.

3. I don't like the whole Tang Amaya is actually Lady Shredder -> Mistress -> Headhunter. And honestly, I wish Carlson just had Karai as Lady Shredder in the Urban Legends conclusion, but maybe Andrew can fill the gap on why he didn't do that.

[jignat]

TMNT 2007 is the second best theatrical film after 1990.

The Last Ronin is overrated.

April should be a 20 something woman without supernatural powers and should not be lusted after by the tmnt.

[Daytona]

My take is that we are just now entering a “golden age” of TMNT.
Nothing is going to replicate “turtle mania” and nothing can replace nostalgia, but we are in the early stage of some of the best TMNT stories and entertainment since the early years.

The take is that we are essentially at the TMNT’s “Dark Knight Returns” moment in terms of overall franchise direction and yes this is mostly due to the success of The Last Ronin.

[ticktack]

"Tmnt 2007 is way better..."
"Best theatrical film..."

Meanwhile:

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by ticktack

"Tmnt 2007 is way better..."
"Best theatrical film..."

Meanwhile:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GyPV3dmX...jpg&name=large

I wonder how your social issues are outside the internet.

[ticktack]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

I wonder how your social issues are outside the internet.

Mind your own business. Pardon.

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by ticktack

Mind your our business. Pardon.

You don't get to say "Mind your own business" when you constantly make every thread you show up in about your myriad of personal problems and try to make it everyone else's problem. If you want people to "mind their own business," stop bringing your business into threads where we just wanna talk about comics and cartoons.

[Andrew NDB]

Seems like a pretty sick individual.

[ticktack]

When did I ever brought my business.
Just sharing opinions, just like you all are.

[ticktack]

Oh, sorry if sickness is confused with a critique.

Also, "sickness" can depend on tastes. But was never gonna say it out loud.

[Mirror image]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If he wasn't doing that it still would have happened.

The thing that makes it so bad tho is that it is Michelangelo. You know the turlte who risked his life to save the Christmas toys that were being taken from orphan children. The turtle who even wanted Leonardo to spare the Rat King after said villain had both knocked out poor Michelangelo and made no secret of the fact that he was going to punish Michelangelo for walking into ''the Rat King's territory''.

Then said Turtle wants to and succeds in commiting genocide because self-entitled incel rage.

Please, note that this would have been bad enough if the most aggresive turtle Rapheal had done this as let's not forget that even he scolded Casey Jones for dishing out a capital punishment for every crime he came across. But Leonardo, Donnatelo and especially Michealangelo??! No way!

I get that the turtles are ninjas but that does not mean that they are meant to performe character assasination against themselves and honestly even Casey Jones doing something so pathetically petty and violent would make me rise and eyebrow. Yes, even the guy who steals a lobster and goes out of his way to risk his life to keep it should be above commiting genocide over a pretty face.

Originally Posted by jignat

April should be a 20 something woman without supernatural powers and should not be lusted after by the tmnt.

Now that is a based take!

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by Mirror image

The thing that makes it so bad tho is that it is Michelangelo. You know the turlte who risked his life to save the Christmas toys that were being taken from orphan children. The turtle who even wanted Leonardo to spare the Rat King after said villain had both knocked out poor Michelangelo and made no secret of the fact that he was going to punish Michelangelo for walking into ''the Rat King's territory''.

Then said Turtle wants to and succeds in commiting genocide because self-entitled incel rage.

Please, note that this would have been bad enough if the most aggresive turtle Rapheal had done this as let's not forget that even he scolded Casey Jones for dishing out a capital punishment for every crime he came across. But Leonardo, Donnatelo and especially Michealangelo??! No way!

I get that the turtles are ninjas but that does not mean that they are meant to performe character assasination against themselves and honestly even Casey Jones doing something so pathetically petty and violent would make me rise and eyebrow. Yes, even the guy who steals a lobster and goes out of his way to risk his life to keep it should be above commiting genocide over a pretty face.

I always got the feeling that perhaps there it was going to be a "Deathstroke's drugs" situation to explain it had the series been finished. Otherwise, it just ended up being completely out of character. But it was never finished, so for the time being that's where we're stuck.

[ToTheNines]

My TMNT hot take: I think ticktack rules.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Nobody has no superpowers, so I don't think many TMNT fans question him.

And why would superpowers be a problem if the series has sorcerers, psychics and time travellers that nobody bats an eye at?