Marvel Studios Daredevil Born Again

[Andrew NDB]

So it IS clear that Punisher will be in season 2. I went to WA Summercon this weekend and they announced he had an unexpected hard out on Sunday for Daredevil season 2 filming, and Deborah Anne Woll even earlier (missing the whole con) for the same reason. So odds are good that there will be some Punisher and Karen stuff, solo, since everyone else was at the con.

Also, the Foggy actor was in attendance looking a little haggard and hiding his hair. We know he's in season 2 and they're freshly filming it so maybe Foggy is hiding out somewhere letting himself get disheveled.

[MikeandRaph87]

Having seen it all now and seen certain elements more than once, its clear that Cherry, McDuffie, and Glenn are placeholders for other characters. Its surprising to learn they are actual comic characters because they seem so forced and analog of other better characters. Once the new showrunner is able to do his thing its solid. Hopefully Karen will continue to have good writing now the showrunner can return us to the 2015 show. Also that Foggy can come back as a trump card the newly ambitious Vanessa has to play. It was odd having Marci erased, but then again Karen was originally. It seems that even the random corrupt cop who killed White Tiger is a comic character, Cole North. However, he is mostly in name only. I would not want to irritatd tje comic faithful and slap existing names on different characters. Its likd the new Sjperman film should havd Bizarro, bit instead calls him Ultraman, another character who is in name only.

Slow start, dont care for the placeholder characters, but Dario Scardapane does not either. Great character work with the returning actors. I give it a 7/10 overall.

The only thing is this wont feel complete if Spider-Man is barred from participating. If behind-the-scenes negotations can get The Punisher in Spider-Man 4 than it can let him have minimal participation with his fellow street level heroes removing Kingpin from power. Moon Knight, White Tiger II, and Spider-Man joining the other 4 and bystanders should be a solid finish. Its just it was only getting good towards the end. At least now the intended stkry can be told in the promised 18 installments that were planned.

[Andrew NDB]

Mike Colter is going to be part of a Daredevil panel. So basically... Luke Cage is back.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/luke-ca...redevil-panel/

[ToTheNines]

Woohoo! Heroes for Hire please!

[Andrew NDB]

I'm only worried about Iron Fist. I do hope they give that guy a chance.

[ToTheNines]

I know. I enjoyed season 1. Can’t believe they didn’t give him the suit at the end of Defenders.

Hopefully he does come back though. I’m sure you remember the… spirited discourse around Finn Jones’ casting. A lot of people who likely have never read a Marvel comic demanding that Iron Fist be an Asian actor. Which not only went against the point of the character, but seemed incredibly racist to me haha.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I know. I enjoyed season 1. Can’t believe they didn’t give him the suit at the end of Defenders.

It's really unfathomable. As much as I liked the Netflix guys you could tell they REALLY hate superhero costumes. Hell, as soon as even Daredevil got a proper one they reverted him back to the black cloth cowl for the last season.

Hopefully he does come back though. I’m sure you remember the… spirited discourse around Finn Jones’ casting. A lot of people who likely have never read a Marvel comic demanding that Iron Fist be an Asian actor.

Yeah, very stupid. And if they do bring him back, I worry if it'll be a repeat of last time. As in, "Hey Finn, you're IN! You've got 2 weeks to train before we film!"

Certainly they have to do SOMETHING with Iron Fist. I doubt they'd recast Danny but... maybe they'd just bring in Jessica Henwick's character as the resident Iron Fist.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's really unfathomable. As much as I liked the Netflix guys you could tell they REALLY hate superhero costumes. Hell, as soon as even Daredevil got a proper one they reverted him back to the black cloth cowl for the last season.

They set it up thematically in Defenders for him to wear a costume, then just didn’t do it.

And they even showed a past Iron Fist in that found footage scene wearing the cowl. Why wouldn’t he?

Yeah, very stupid. And if they do bring him back, I worry if it'll be a repeat of last time. As in, "Hey Finn, you're IN! You've got 2 weeks to train before we film!"

Certainly they have to do SOMETHING with Iron Fist. I doubt they'd recast Danny but... maybe they'd just bring in Jessica Henwick's character as the resident Iron Fist.

I’d rather see them both back, but that wouldn’t be the worst thing. Colleen was a cool character too.

[Andrew NDB]

And Henwick REALLY liked that part. She turned down the Awkafina role in Shang Chi just in case that would be an obstacle to her reprising Colleen.

[ToTheNines]

Finally starting Born Again, pretty good so far. I’m so grateful they’re keeping all of the Netflix stuff canon (even if only about half of it was any good). Haters dismissed the Netflix stuff and Agents of SHIELD for years, but now they can suck it lol.

I’m on episode 4. More like Cuckpin, am I right folks?

[Andrew NDB]

Suffice to say he un-cuckpins.

I like Born Again but I don't like how so much time was wasted with all the stuff from the original shoots before Feige woke up. The doctor lady who is the love interest is decent but everybody else new sucks... except Kingpin's aide, the son of Michael Gandolfini. I thought for sure it was going to be revealed he's Kingpin's son but maybe next season. The serial killer spray painting in blood had potential but it was basically a macguffin.

I also liked how they are constantly juxtaposing Kingpin's return to form with Daredevil's return to form at the same time. What I do worry about in the future is... we might get TOO much Kingpin. We need to miss him from time to time. If we get Born Again season 5 and it's just more and more Kingpin, I don't think that's serving either Kingpin or Daredevil. But the last thing I want them to do is send him back to prison a third time.

[ToTheNines]

Finished episode 5. Pretty boring. A bunch of Irish mobsters robbing a bank on St. Patrick’s Day? Kinda… corny.

Also hated the whole Ms. Marvel aspect. I’m normally a sucker for all connections and references, even when they’re forced. But the MCU has reached a point where it’s just too much content for me to keep up with it all even if I wanted to. And then roughly half of it stinks, so I have no problem skipping something if I can tell it’s not for me. Ms. Marvel is definitely one of those shows lol.

It’s also kind of annoying watching Matt bend his own rules and still do vigilante **** even though he’s sworn off being Daredevil. Just seems like he should be doing a better job of protecting his identity. He went all Jackie Chan on those cops (which was self defense), but then he chased down the leader from the bank heist for not much of a good reason. He covered his face, but the guy saw what he was wearing and got his full name and knew he was a lawyer.

Starting ep 6.

[ToTheNines]

Think I’m done for the day.

Episode 6: I enjoyed the writing on this one. Although I don’t understand how Muse got away.

Episode 7: I thought it was dumb that Matt’s shrink girlfriend was also the Fisk’s marriage counselor, but I must have missed that he sought her out to have some leverage on Matt. But I’m also supposed to believe this serial killer is her client too? Also, he’s a graffiti artist who happens to be a master Tae Kwan Do practicioner? lol

Muse in general felt like a distraction, but I guess it gave the Taskforce something to do. Speaking of which, I wonder how this show’s plot affected Spider-Man. Maybe not much since he’s mostly Queens based.

Episode 8: Finally ramping up and getting pretty good. Although I can’t fathom why Matt would EVER take that bullet. Also, why would Dex not go for a headshot? We know Fisk wears armor under his suits.

[Andrew NDB]

People seemed to like it but I thought the bank one was lame, and the Ms. Marvel stuff in it certainly didn't do it any favors. I believe that whole episode was untouched from before the reediting and reshooting happened.

They better have Mayor Fisk play into the new "grounded" Spider-Man movie. It would be a real head-scratcher if nothing comes of it, if it's going to be Spider-Man and Punisher doing vigilante stuff in broad daylight in NYC fighting a rampaging Hulk. Which is what it sounds and looks like we're getting. I'd like to see something more substantial, but even just Fisk on a TV at some point in Spider-Man 4 denouncing all of them.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

People seemed to like it but I thought the bank one was lame, and the Ms. Marvel stuff in it certainly didn't do it any favors. I believe that whole episode was untouched from before the reediting and reshooting happened.

Charlie Cox has said his least fav episode of Born Again was the bank episode

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Finished episode 5. Pretty boring. A bunch of Irish mobsters robbing a bank on St. Patrick’s Day? Kinda… corny.

Also hated the whole Ms. Marvel aspect. I’m normally a sucker for all connections and references, even when they’re forced. But the MCU has reached a point where it’s just too much content for me to keep up with it all even if I wanted to. And then roughly half of it stinks, so I have no problem skipping something if I can tell it’s not for me. Ms. Marvel is definitely one of those shows lol.

It’s also kind of annoying watching Matt bend his own rules and still do vigilante **** even though he’s sworn off being Daredevil. Just seems like he should be doing a better job of protecting his identity. He went all Jackie Chan on those cops (which was self defense), but then he chased down the leader from the bank heist for not much of a good reason. He covered his face, but the guy saw what he was wearing and got his full name and knew he was a lawyer.

Starting ep 6.

Well I think that Ms Marvel crossover episode is good and like Andrew NBD said it was episode that was untouched after reshoots happened but still really good episode it is good to see Matt Murdock teaming up with someone light hearted after in episode 4 he talked and argued with Frank, this is second time he teamed up with someone light hearted after She Hulk but this is first time he teamed up with someone light hearted in his show because She Hulk team ups were in her show, would you like to see Kamala to show up in Daredevil Born Again season 2 as part of his team maybe against Kingpin?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

would you like to see Kamala to show up in Daredevil Born Again season 2 as part of his team maybe against Kingpin?

If Feige wishes for Born Again season 2 to be the final season, sure.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If Feige wishes for Born Again season 2 to be the final season, sure.

Why do you think it like this? Just curious and I respect your opinion but do you think that Ms Marvel characters should not be in this show? If yes than why?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Why do you think it like this? Just curious and I respect your opinion but do you think that Ms Marvel characters should not be in this show? If yes than why?

No disrespect as you clearly would disagree, but Ms. Marvel sucked and was an abject failure. The Marvels also sucked and was an abject failure. Born Again already starting out with rocky ratings, throwing probably the least popular character in the MCU next to maybe Ironheart at season 2 is probably not the best idea on any front.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Why do you think it like this? Just curious and I respect your opinion but do you think that Ms Marvel characters should not be in this show? If yes than why?

Ms. Marvel is a mess of a character. They've tried everything with her including appropriating the "Quantum Bands" and practically ruining the possibility of Wendell Vaughn as Quasar on-screen.

How does that relate? Ms. Marvel has been put in street-level situations, team-level situations and resulted in a "cosmic character" that no one cares about. And all of that wasn't done because she's "so versatile", but rather because they can't make the character work in any paradigm. Next thing up will be trying to shoe-horn her into the "X-Men".

Ms. Marvel in Daredevil is just more of a mess, proving that they can't make that character work even if they keep forcing her into content. As I normally try to say too - nothing against the actress - she's entirely likeable and fun, but that character began as "diversity push", evolved into "disinteresting cliche" and now resides firmly in "insulting replacement character" alongside Phylla-Vell as "Quasar".

And even if someone didn't care about any of that? Putting her with DD is as disappointing as the She-Hulk fiasco where there are a lot of other characters we'd rather see him running around on-screen with.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No disrespect as you clearly would disagree, but Ms. Marvel sucked and was an abject failure. The Marvels also sucked and was an abject failure. Born Again already starting out with rocky ratings, throwing probably the least popular character in the MCU next to maybe Ironheart at season 2 is probably not the best idea on any front.