Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3 May 5, 2023

[Andrew NDB]

Nonsense. Sure there is some genuine fatigue but it's largely due to the movies themselves. The ones that have failed objectively haven't been any good, or did anything new with the characters they're supposed to be about. Like how Ant-Man 3 seemingly only exists to put his daughter in the limelight, and Doctor Strange 2 just to gift us Captain Two Moms and nothing else. Looks like they want to do the same with Blade's daughter in the Blade movie, too.

[Xav]

How exactly was Doctor Strange 2 a failure? The film profited 100s of millions of dollars and got generally favorable reviews.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Xav

How exactly was Doctor Strange 2 a failure? The film profited 100s of millions of dollars and got generally favorable reviews.

Oh, it did fine, if lower-than-anticipated numbers. But nobody came out of that movie singing a lot of praises because there's no meat on the bones. Dr. Strange doesn't even have a character arc in the movie, or anything (at best, he kind of misses his ex-girlfriend and we get no pay off of that whatsoever). The movie solely exists to introduce Captain Two Moms because they have big plans for her and that's it.

[CyberCubed]

Doctor Strange 2 is a worse movie since Wandavision series existed D+. They tried to make her sympathetic in the TV series and then the movie just writes her as a one dimensional supervillain. Had the TV series never existed then maybe Doctor Strange 2 would fare better.

It's also odd because it proves all the TV series Marvel made are essentially filler because you can skip them and not miss anything from the movies. Nothing from the series mattered much with how Scarlet Witch was portrayed in the movie.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Xav

How exactly was Doctor Strange 2 a failure? The film profited 100s of millions of dollars and got generally favorable reviews.

So it either broke even or not even that then? People seem to forget that the more a movie costs to make, the more they need to make to make a profit. At this point, every MCU movie needs to break a billion or it's money tossed out the window.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Just saw it.

Was actually really good. Nebula sure has come a long way, definitely one of my favorite Marvel characters now. Not gonna lie, Rocket’s near-death scene got me emotional. My mom cried at least three times throughout the whole movie.

[Shark_Blade]

Is it wrong that I laughed when Star Lord face bloated, frozen and he supposedly died? I found him obnoxious in the past movies but in this one he’s a bit bearable. I know the guy next to me was shocked when I cheered (like I’m in disbelief, oh we’re really doing this? Ballsy move!) at that scene cause he’s like “oh no!” Lol

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

So it either broke even or not even that then? People seem to forget that the more a movie costs to make, the more they need to make to make a profit. At this point, every MCU movie needs to break a billion or it's money tossed out the window.

It made $955.8 million on an estimated budget of between $172–200 million. Whatever way you slice it that's a significant profit.

[ranger_scout]

HISE:

[ToTheNines]

I saw this in 2023 and finally gave it a rewatch. Great movie and very emotional. Couple nitpicks I wanted to discuss:

- I feel like Quill going back to Earth wasn’t built up to properly. The fact that he visited Earth briefly in Endgame is completely glossed over, then they kinda telegraphed that ending for him throughout the movie. I guess him finally getting over Gamora informed his decision, but I kinda liked the idea of him and Nebula ending up together.

Also thought him almost freezing to death in space to rescue his Zune was too much of a retread of Volume 1.

- Loved Rocket’s arc, but why didn’t he kill the High Evolutionary? They framed it as him being of high morality, but it would have been more humane to just kill him rather than let him suffer until he gets blown up.

Unless they want to bring him back, which is feasible because we didn’t actually see the death. The MCU has the same “problem” as Mirage TMNT in that they often times kill their enemies (which they should), so I see the temptation to keep him around because he was a cool villain. But he absolutely deserved to be killed, both objectively and for Rocket’s vengeance.

- The soundtrack didn’t hit as hard as the first 2. I had hoped there would be a bunch of stuff that Yondu would have liked or evoked his memory somehow. I feel like Yondu’s legacy should have been felt a little more. LOVED his quick cameo during Kraglin’s big moment.

- It will feel weird with these characters having roles in Doomsday and Secret Wars with zero involvement from Gunn. He had a ton of input for Infinity War and Endgame. I also wonder what Groot will look like, kinda strange he was so large in the tag.

Also, that’s supposed to be Phyla-Vell?

[KaraiLover09]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I saw this in 2023 and finally gave it a rewatch. Great movie and very emotional. Couple nitpicks I wanted to discuss:

- I feel like Quill going back to Earth wasn’t built up to properly. The fact that he visited Earth briefly in Endgame is completely glossed over, then they kinda telegraphed that ending for him throughout the movie. I guess him finally getting over Gamora informed his decision, but I kinda liked the idea of him and Nebula ending up together.

Also thought him almost freezing to death in space to rescue his Zune was too much of a retread of Volume 1.

- Loved Rocket’s arc, but why didn’t he kill the High Evolutionary? They framed it as him being of high morality, but it would have been more humane to just kill him rather than let him suffer until he gets blown up.

Unless they want to bring him back, which is feasible because we didn’t actually see the death. The MCU has the same “problem” as Mirage TMNT in that they often times kill their enemies (which they should), so I see the temptation to keep him around because he was a cool villain. But he absolutely deserved to be killed, both objectively and for Rocket’s vengeance.

- The soundtrack didn’t hit as hard as the first 2. I had hoped there would be a bunch of stuff that Yondu would have liked or evoked his memory somehow. I feel like Yondu’s legacy should have been felt a little more. LOVED his quick cameo during Kraglin’s big moment.

- It will feel weird with these characters having roles in Doomsday and Secret Wars with zero involvement from Gunn. He had a ton of input for Infinity War and Endgame. I also wonder what Groot will look like, kinda strange he was so large in the tag.

Also, that’s supposed to be Phyla-Vell?

Haven't seen it yet, but I guess eventually will.

I think there was too much real life overlap with people hating Chris Pratt and them not wanting him back with Gamora due to 'toxic masculinity' and blah blah. Like the woke crowd could not put their Chris Pratt hatred aside long enough to see that within the context of the movies, yes it would hurt like a bitch to lose the woman you love and then meet a version of that woman that doesn't love you. It's not as easy as 'oh get over it' just so Chris Pratt's character doesn't 'get a win'.

Also removing Nebula's boobs was just.... weird. Um... take that male gaze I guess? At least for me, I was never really looking at Nebula that way even when she had boobs.

[Andrew NDB]

The Star Lord Gamora stuff is fairly baffling. All that lead up in 1 and 2 and then now here's a version of Gamora that doesn't know him again. I'd love to hear what went on with all of that behind closed doors. Did Feige insist on killing Gamora over Gunn's wishes? And the Gamora plucked from earlier in the timeline sticking around was the compromise? Between the "soul" of original Gamora seen still in that Infinity Gem and all it seemed like there was a plan to reunify her memories but it never happened. I wonder if the controversy at Marvel would be that the "new" Gamora is surely her own person, so filling her head with the old one's memories would be tantamount to some kind of invasion of her autonomy? Probably something stupid like that.

[ToTheNines]

I dunno man. Everyone wanted them to end up together again. I think Gunn just wanted to subvert expectations.

I don’t think her soul is ever coming out of that gem. They made a point to show it was impossible to bring Natasha back, even with the complete gauntlet. I don’t think they want to cheapen Thanos’ or Natasha’s sacrifices.

As for the new Gamora. She never lived through the events of the first two movies and her instinct was to just run away. She made her own way in the world and Quill had to accept that.

But they’re both still alive. Anything could happen.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

They made a point to show it was impossible to bring Natasha back, even with the complete gauntlet.

They told us that but they didn't show us that. What happened when Steve visited that planet to return the stone is still something we have no idea about.

[neatoman]

Oh don't worry about whether or not they will ruin the Natasha thing, they'll probably ruin it by making a clone they'll pretend is the same as the original, they did that in the comics.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

They told us that but they didn't show us that. What happened when Steve visited that planet to return the stone is still something we have no idea about.

Very good point. Fun to think about him putting them all back, especially the Soul Stone.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Very good point. Fun to think about him putting them all back, especially the Soul Stone.

And him -- of course -- running into the Red Skull. Surely we have to get this at some point?