I really want to see Nightmares Recycled.

[ZixxOfTheBlackBlade]

It's been 20 years, I'm really curious just HOW screwed up this episode was and the concept sounded awesome.

We know that the first pass was done on the episode, is there any chance of it EVER seeing the light of day now that so much time has passed?

[neatoman]

That's the one where Hun and the Garbage Man were supposed to be revealed as twins, right?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by ZixxOfTheBlackBlade

It's been 20 years, I'm really curious just HOW screwed up this episode was and the concept sounded awesome.

We know that the first pass was done on the episode, is there any chance of it EVER seeing the light of day now that so much time has passed?

Maybe, since the work with animation had begun before 4 Kids pulled the plug.

https://mutantooze.org/ninjaturtles/...opses/110.html

An interested fact is that Hun had another brother (not conjoined twin), named Ahnold, in the storybook Lean, Green Smackdown Machine, published late in August 2004.

[sdp]

Well what do you mean exactly by "see the light of day". I doubt much animation was ever done for any of that to be released. I think we did see some storyboards, depending on how far they were they might have storyboards for most of the episode and the script could come out. IIRC I think Peter laird commented that it was good it was cancelled since they didn't have the budget for it regardless or something along those lines, correct me if i'm wrong.

Now as far as the episode, I don't know I think I've mentioned this before in other Nightmare Recycle threads but the two gargbage man episodes are easily the worst in the series so I would not have wanted another episode with him, especially since it could taint the legacy of Hun who was good in his own right. But I guess if the episode was good I guess it coudl've also helped The Garbageman become a decent villain in the end?

[ZixxOfTheBlackBlade]

The fully animated rough cut of the episode that was produced, it's been confirmed to exist by a few people on this site and Emilio Lopez as well.

[Braeden99]

They should revive it into a one off comic with Khary Randolph as the artist. It'd be a cool way for fans to get some closure.

[ZixxOfTheBlackBlade]

I think it could've been a really good episode and regardless of how you feel about it it still is an episode of the show that was never released for censorship reasons. I think for that reason alone it should be released in some form. I myself personally really enjoy the Garbageman episodes and I think this one could've been another Insane in the Membrane, being a good horror and character piece.

Most of if not the entire episode was already animated by the time the plug was pulled.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by ZixxOfTheBlackBlade

Most of if not the entire episode was already animated by the time the plug was pulled.

Originally Posted by ZixxOfTheBlackBlade

The fully animated rough cut of the episode that was produced, it's been confirmed to exist by a few people on this site and Emilio Lopez as well.

I mean that's just speculation, I really doubt the episode was anywhere near finished to the state that you think it is. I mean what exactly is a rough cut to you? To me that only means some state of the storyboards being either animated or put togther to what they want the animation to be, that's basically just a glorified stop motion comi made of the storyboards at best. There are no lines recorded, there's no episode that was done or sent to be animated.

I thinkt he script is the most you could expect to get an actual idea of what was going to happen.

[ZixxOfTheBlackBlade]

It isn't speculation, it was blatantly confirmed by three different people that worked on the show. The first pass of animation was completed on the episode, voice lines were also recorded for it. The episode was animated and a rough cut was made for it. But a fully finished cut was not.

A rough cut can be any cut of something made for internal view lacking the polish of a finished version.

[ZixxOfTheBlackBlade]

Originally Posted by TMNT4kids

1st pass animation was finished on the episode but retakes were never done. This means that there is a watchable copy floating around but there are errors throughout and there is no music or additional line recorded (anything unscripted such as fighting grunts and other rections to better match the animation were never done).

There were a number of questionable things in the episode and I'm not sure exactly how it got as far as it did all things considered, but here we are.

This episode is not considered cannon, as Casey and April get engaged at the end and obviously that doesn't "really" happen until the current season.

I wouldn't rule out the episode becoming available somehow in the future however so stay tuned.

QUOTE=tortugapower;513244]Yes. They are dead in the water.



They were not that far along. Lost Season is complete (except for "Nightmare's Recycled" which is only in work print form, meaning it's watchable but has no music/foley/dialogue or animation retakes.)

From all I hear the retooling will probably make the show more along the lines of the movie.



Thanks![/QUOTE]

[sdp]

Looks like I was wrong. If it really got that far I'd love to see it released or leaked one day.
Hell someone like ZariusTwo would likely finish it up adding the missing grunts and whatnot.

[ZixxOfTheBlackBlade]

I'm actually planning to if it's ever found, I'm very good at sound design and I already have a friend recreating the tracks from the show

[Antoniocafe]

I've always considered the story to be canon. Even though we never saw it, as far as I'm concerned it happened.

[CyberCubed]

The episode being finished doesn't make sense, they seemed to cut it while working on it. They wouldn't spend money to produce the animation to axe it. This is like "Master Fighter 105" from Fast Forward Season 2, the animation wasn't done but you can hear the voice work.

[ZixxOfTheBlackBlade]

The episode wasn't finished, they stopped it after it came back from the animation studio but before it could be sent back for corrections. It was finished to the point where it could be edited into a final cut but it would've needed work that the team didn't feel like putting into an episode that wouldn't make it to air.

The rough animation is what I'm talking about, not a fully finished episode.

As for the animation you're right that it doesn't really make sense to cut something that made it that far, but even the lead art director confirmed that a rough edit with the first pass animation was put together.

[Roseangelo]

I swear I downloaded the animatic from some website back in the day.

[ZixxOfTheBlackBlade]

You're probably thinking of Master Fighter 2105, the first episode to the canned FF Season 2. That was released on the 4Kids website back in the day.

This was an episode from Season 5, as far as I know nothing from it outside of some concept art and some storyboards have surfaced.

[Coola Yagami]

I do wonder why they even tried to push the envelope so much knowing the episode can be canceled or banned and they risk doing all that work for nothing.

[clockstomper]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

I swear I downloaded the animatic from some website back in the day.

Maybe somebody from 4Kids still has all this stuff. If PAramount was inclined they could request 4Kids material and throw it up on youtube with ads for a bit of free money.

[ZixxOfTheBlackBlade]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I do wonder why they even tried to push the envelope so much knowing the episode can be canceled or banned and they risk doing all that work for nothing.

Everything's done years in advance, it most likely started production before the network started getting cold feet about the darker content. By the time Insane in the Membrane was banned a lot of work on Season 5 was done so they probably didn't know until late in production that the episode wouldn't make it to air.

Originally Posted by clockstomper

Maybe somebody from 4Kids still has all this stuff. If PAramount was inclined they could request 4Kids material and throw it up on youtube with ads for a bit of free money.

It's possible but they'd definitely not be allowed to release anything, Emilio did confirm that if the rough cut still exists it would be at Paramount as all their production materials for TMNT were transferred to them when the rights shifted.