comic curious....

U2WaTCHer · 12-07-2003, 10:21 PM

will volume 4 eventually be on the new series if so do u think splinter will die? and is volume 5 coming soon? and how often does it take for a new volume come out? sorry about so many questions just was always curious! lol

*Cascadia* · 12-07-2003, 11:30 PM

I am not sure.....the new series revolves around volume 1

*Roseangelo* · 12-08-2003, 01:05 AM

Volume 4 of the Mirage Series will never ever have anything to do with the new TV show.

The different volumes of the Mirage comic have come because of significant changes in the publishing of the book. Volume 2 began because Mirage decided to start publishing in color. However, that only lasted for 13 issues. Volume 3 started when Image picked up the title (lasting 23 issues). And though it is officially Volume 3, all the events of that volume have been completely ignored in the continuing Mirage universe (a good thing). And Volume 4 started when Peter decided to start publishing the book again through Mirage.

With all that said, you really don't want there to be another volume.

*Bowser_Koopa* · 12-08-2003, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Volume 4 of the Mirage Series will never ever have anything to do with the new TV show.

why :s ? i thought it was Mirage based?

**Karpo_007** · 12-08-2003, 10:40 AM

Yes it is, but as you should know Volume 4 take place around 15 years later.

*Bowser_Koopa* · 12-08-2003, 10:42 AM

ohh yeah, maybe in a special episode with a "future" flash or something they can, nah....

U2WaTCHer · 12-08-2003, 10:43 AM

thanks I never read comics but like to pick some up. Do they sell mirage volume 4s still in comic book store?

impetus · 12-08-2003, 11:39 AM

not sure what you mean...?

Most comic books sell all ranges of comics past and present, depends on the store.

In any case, Volume 4 is the current series so the new issues come out every couple months. The older issues are harder to find (again, every store is different).

Not sure if that answered your question?

Regarding your other questions:

I'd much rather have a long and fruitful Volume 4 (like Volume 1) than a hasty jump to Volume 5... Volume 1 was the best TMNT series, and spanned 63 issues. Contrast that to the shorter and less impressive other volumes and you'll see what I mean.

In comics, there is no rule for how many issues in a volume. Although you'll rarely see issues of a series numbered over the 1000 mark. New volumes also occur when a series takes a new direction (X-Men), returns after a period of absense (Transformers), or tries to reinvent a tired, pooped out character (Aquaman... again).

U2WaTCHer · 12-12-2003, 11:34 AM

ok let me ask this, the new show is bacicly based off the comics. what order to you think they will go in you say volume 2 and 3 are going to be ignored, does that mean the new show will go throu all volume 1 and skip to 4 when ones over. I'm only saying this if the show lasts that long.

impetus · 12-12-2003, 12:01 PM

Volume 3 will be ignored.

I don't think Peter likes it very much.

Volume 2 will hopefully be included, but it is a little more "mature" than the current animated series.

*PizzaPower* · 12-12-2003, 12:11 PM

I hope that one day it becomes volume 4 on the new TMNT. I think it would be cool. Anyway I beleive volume 2 should come to.

U2WaTCHer · 12-12-2003, 02:46 PM

is there much left intill we see mature stuff? or are we still aways off? that be neat!

Straight-Edge · 12-12-2003, 09:23 PM

Its difficult to say exactly what the new show will use. For example, the last thirteen issues of Vol 1 are being condensed into, wat?, three episodes of the show?

Because there are two threads in those 13 issues the show can't touch:
1) Casey fals in love with a woman in another state, and when she dies, he comes back to NEw York with his adopted daughter, Shadow.
2) Splinter is wounded and trapped somehwere, and reverts to cannibalism after repeated mental attakcs by the Ghost of Rat King (a charactr who hasn't even been introduced in the cartoon yet).

Also, remeber most of V1 was done by guest artists, most who strayed far away from the concept and the continuity of the Kevin and Peter issues. Laird pretty much tired to take the strongest stories, and lay them into a fuid composition. That's what we're getting in the show. Baxter's evolution into a cyber-suit wearing psycho comes from Vol 2, which pretty much chews up the first four or five issues. Then Raphael is kidnapped and the Turtles fight their way into a creepy research facility to rescue him, just as the Triceratons start attacking Earth... then it all ends as a dream because a super-human guy thing turns back time to make the whole thing not have happened... HUNH!!!??

So, you see, the first two seasons really incorporate all the really good Mirage stories. Only the totally mature (cannibalism, murder) and completely redundant are left. Most of Vol 3 involves Splinter being mutated into a bat, and the Turtles searchign for him... which is basically being told right now with the last five episodes of Season 1, and the first 8 episodes of season 2. Otherwise, it's got Raph running the Foot Clan (dressed up a Shredder), which would be too much for kids to understand, An S&M hottie called Pimiko, who's Shredder's daughter (assuming Shredder is even human in the show), and another Tricerton attack (same as Vol 2, except it *actually* happens). Plus, allthe turtles get mutilated and deformed one way or another (Mike by becoming a writer is about as drastic as Don ebcoming a cybrog, IMO).

and let's not even *try* to explain things like the MCWeeney issues, or those crazy Car-freaks from Issue 31 or whatever...

impetus · 12-12-2003, 09:33 PM

A couple corrections, if I may.

Though there was definitely an influence, Volume 1 was not mostly guest issues. there were many in-house artists besides E&L (Farley, Murphy, Lawson, etc).

Mike was not "turned into a writer" in Volume 4. It goes all the way back to Volume 1, in-house ish at that.

Stefano · 12-13-2003, 12:16 AM

as much as i love volume 4 i dont know if it would make a good cartoon

*VaughnMichael* · 12-13-2003, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Straight-Edge

or those crazy Car-freaks from Issue 31 or whatever...

I loved that issue I really want it to be made into an episode...the MUTATOHEADS RULE!
Vaughn Michael

Straight-Edge · 12-13-2003, 07:48 AM

>>Though there was definitely an influence, Volume 1 was not mostly guest issues. there were many in-house artists besides E&L (Farley, Murphy, Lawson, etc).>>

Ok, I screwed up. I meant guest writers! Artists don't matter to me. I'm only talking in terms of story (artists are also moot when talking about adapting the comics to the show, because no matter who did the art in the original book, the show only has the show's style).

So yeah, writers, not artists. And I also meant that most of *what's left* of Volume 1 is the guest writer stuff. Not that most of the series is guest stuff (although it is about fifty-fifty.

*heretic888* · 12-13-2003, 10:24 PM

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Mike by becoming a writer is about as drastic as Don ebcoming a cybrog, IMO

This is inaccurate. Mike becoming a writer is very appropriate to his character. He is seen doing it more than once in Volume 1.

U2WaTCHer · 12-13-2003, 10:47 PM

wow what a story lol

so what really do you guys think will be logical that will appear in the show in the future will we just be taking storys a dif points of the comic and turning it into the toon??

Brinatello · 12-14-2003, 04:09 AM

I think the cartoon will continue to be based on Vol. 1 for quite awhile, or at least it'll go through important issues from that volume. If the story lines of Vol. 2 do appear in the cartoon, we won't see them till about the 4th or 5th season, depending on how long the series lasts. I seriously think at one point there's going to be brand new stories created away from the comics but still supervised by Peter. And Vol. 4 will never be seen in cartoon form unless Peter wants to take his creations in that direction on the small screen. The old toon lasted 10 seasons and we saw many changes in that series. If this new show reaches 10 seasons, we could either be viewing Vol. 4 story lines or something entirely different.

Wow is right!

12-07-2003, 10:21 PM	#1
U2WaTCHer Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 365	comic curious.... will volume 4 eventually be on the new series if so do u think splinter will die? and is volume 5 coming soon? and how often does it take for a new volume come out? sorry about so many questions just was always curious! lol __________________ Krang ------ Long Live The Krang Legions!------

12-07-2003, 11:30 PM	#2
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	I am not sure.....the new series revolves around volume 1 __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

12-08-2003, 01:05 AM	#3
Roseangelo Emperor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 9,117	Volume 4 of the Mirage Series will never ever have anything to do with the new TV show. The different volumes of the Mirage comic have come because of significant changes in the publishing of the book. Volume 2 began because Mirage decided to start publishing in color. However, that only lasted for 13 issues. Volume 3 started when Image picked up the title (lasting 23 issues). And though it is officially Volume 3, all the events of that volume have been completely ignored in the continuing Mirage universe (a good thing). And Volume 4 started when Peter decided to start publishing the book again through Mirage. With all that said, you really don't want there to be another volume. __________________ www.ninjapizza.net www.colorsbyrosemary.com

12-08-2003, 10:43 AM	#7
U2WaTCHer Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 365	thanks I never read comics but like to pick some up. Do they sell mirage volume 4s still in comic book store? __________________ Krang ------ Long Live The Krang Legions!------

12-08-2003, 11:39 AM	#8
impetus Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kansas City Posts: 978	not sure what you mean...? Most comic books sell all ranges of comics past and present, depends on the store. In any case, Volume 4 is the current series so the new issues come out every couple months. The older issues are harder to find (again, every store is different). Not sure if that answered your question? Regarding your other questions: I'd much rather have a long and fruitful Volume 4 (like Volume 1) than a hasty jump to Volume 5... Volume 1 was the best TMNT series, and spanned 63 issues. Contrast that to the shorter and less impressive other volumes and you'll see what I mean. In comics, there is no rule for how many issues in a volume. Although you'll rarely see issues of a series numbered over the 1000 mark. New volumes also occur when a series takes a new direction (X-Men), returns after a period of absense (Transformers), or tries to reinvent a tired, pooped out character (Aquaman... again). __________________

12-08-2003, 10:40 AM	#5
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yes it is, but as you should know Volume 4 take place around 15 years later.

12-08-2003, 10:42 AM	#6
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	ohh yeah, maybe in a special episode with a "future" flash or something they can, nah....

12-12-2003, 11:34 AM	#9
U2WaTCHer Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 365	ok let me ask this, the new show is bacicly based off the comics. what order to you think they will go in you say volume 2 and 3 are going to be ignored, does that mean the new show will go throu all volume 1 and skip to 4 when ones over. I'm only saying this if the show lasts that long. __________________ Krang ------ Long Live The Krang Legions!------

12-12-2003, 12:01 PM	#10
impetus Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kansas City Posts: 978	Volume 3 will be ignored. I don't think Peter likes it very much. Volume 2 will hopefully be included, but it is a little more "mature" than the current animated series. __________________

12-12-2003, 12:11 PM	#11
PizzaPower Foot Elite Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pizza Parlor Posts: 3,200	I hope that one day it becomes volume 4 on the new TMNT. I think it would be cool. Anyway I beleive volume 2 should come to. __________________ https://www.twitch.tv/turtlepizzapower

12-12-2003, 02:46 PM	#12
U2WaTCHer Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 365	is there much left intill we see mature stuff? or are we still aways off? that be neat! __________________ Krang ------ Long Live The Krang Legions!------

12-12-2003, 09:23 PM	#13
Straight-Edge Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 139	Its difficult to say exactly what the new show will use. For example, the last thirteen issues of Vol 1 are being condensed into, wat?, three episodes of the show? Because there are two threads in those 13 issues the show can't touch: 1) Casey fals in love with a woman in another state, and when she dies, he comes back to NEw York with his adopted daughter, Shadow. 2) Splinter is wounded and trapped somehwere, and reverts to cannibalism after repeated mental attakcs by the Ghost of Rat King (a charactr who hasn't even been introduced in the cartoon yet). Also, remeber most of V1 was done by guest artists, most who strayed far away from the concept and the continuity of the Kevin and Peter issues. Laird pretty much tired to take the strongest stories, and lay them into a fuid composition. That's what we're getting in the show. Baxter's evolution into a cyber-suit wearing psycho comes from Vol 2, which pretty much chews up the first four or five issues. Then Raphael is kidnapped and the Turtles fight their way into a creepy research facility to rescue him, just as the Triceratons start attacking Earth... then it all ends as a dream because a super-human guy thing turns back time to make the whole thing not have happened... HUNH!!!?? So, you see, the first two seasons really incorporate all the really good Mirage stories. Only the totally mature (cannibalism, murder) and completely redundant are left. Most of Vol 3 involves Splinter being mutated into a bat, and the Turtles searchign for him... which is basically being told right now with the last five episodes of Season 1, and the first 8 episodes of season 2. Otherwise, it's got Raph running the Foot Clan (dressed up a Shredder), which would be too much for kids to understand, An S&M hottie called Pimiko, who's Shredder's daughter (assuming Shredder is even human in the show), and another Tricerton attack (same as Vol 2, except it actually happens). Plus, allthe turtles get mutilated and deformed one way or another (Mike by becoming a writer is about as drastic as Don ebcoming a cybrog, IMO). and let's not even try to explain things like the MCWeeney issues, or those crazy Car-freaks from Issue 31 or whatever...

12-12-2003, 09:33 PM	#14
impetus Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kansas City Posts: 978	A couple corrections, if I may. Though there was definitely an influence, Volume 1 was not mostly guest issues. there were many in-house artists besides E&L (Farley, Murphy, Lawson, etc). Mike was not "turned into a writer" in Volume 4. It goes all the way back to Volume 1, in-house ish at that. __________________

12-13-2003, 12:16 AM	#15
Stefano Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 762	as much as i love volume 4 i dont know if it would make a good cartoon __________________ Leo: Your reign of terror is over Stockman! Mike: have you been practicing that? Leo: You like it? Utrom: this says ritc sir, and its written in crayon sir! Something wicked this way comes Mr. Show is the best!

12-13-2003, 07:48 AM	#17
Straight-Edge Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 139	>>Though there was definitely an influence, Volume 1 was not mostly guest issues. there were many in-house artists besides E&L (Farley, Murphy, Lawson, etc).>> Ok, I screwed up. I meant guest writers! Artists don't matter to me. I'm only talking in terms of story (artists are also moot when talking about adapting the comics to the show, because no matter who did the art in the original book, the show only has the show's style). So yeah, writers, not artists. And I also meant that most of what's left of Volume 1 is the guest writer stuff. Not that most of the series is guest stuff (although it is about fifty-fifty.

12-13-2003, 10:47 PM	#19
U2WaTCHer Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 365	wow what a story lol so what really do you guys think will be logical that will appear in the show in the future will we just be taking storys a dif points of the comic and turning it into the toon?? __________________ Krang ------ Long Live The Krang Legions!------

12-14-2003, 04:09 AM	#20
Brinatello Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 446	I think the cartoon will continue to be based on Vol. 1 for quite awhile, or at least it'll go through important issues from that volume. If the story lines of Vol. 2 do appear in the cartoon, we won't see them till about the 4th or 5th season, depending on how long the series lasts. I seriously think at one point there's going to be brand new stories created away from the comics but still supervised by Peter. And Vol. 4 will never be seen in cartoon form unless Peter wants to take his creations in that direction on the small screen. The old toon lasted 10 seasons and we saw many changes in that series. If this new show reaches 10 seasons, we could either be viewing Vol. 4 story lines or something entirely different. Wow is right!