The 1987 continuity concluded their Mutagen Man plot before 2012 did

[ToTheNines]

Spoilers from Saturday Morning Adventures #31:

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How does it feel?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Spoilers from Saturday Morning Adventures #31:

Spoiler:

https://i.imgur.com/OXgIOTz.jpeg

How does it feel?

Didn't they conclude his story in the debut episode? Him not only becoming human again but taking on a more handsome form was a perfectly fine ending, all this does is revert him back to his original form.

But uh... Yeah, not sure how many times I need to say this but the overarching plot of the 2012 was not a good one. It's a better show than the FW cartoon and generally has better ideas but that doesn't mean it doesn't have major problems.

Timothy never returning to human form despite Don promising to help is really just one of several disappointing/unresolved plotlines in that show. Remember how nearly every villain of the week was teased to come back but few ever did (at least not in serious ways)? Or how Dregg turned out be a robot with no explanation for how or why? Or how Shredder somehow needed to mutated to fix nerve pinches? Or how they ended up Karai turning good too quickly so they needed to literally give her a brain parasite to stall for time?

The 2012 show has good individual episodes, that does not mean the larger narrative they're a part of is good. The show's overall plot can kind of be thought as a candy cane and coffee bean hamburger, things I like individually but won't work mashed together.

[Heyowakka]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Didn't they conclude his story in the debut episode? Him not only becoming human again but taking on a more handsome form was a perfectly fine ending, all this does is revert him back to his original form.

Technically he didn’t revert back to a human at the end of the episode, he was still technically a mutant abomination, Donatello was just able to stabilize him so that he could remain in any form he chose.

And he chose a beautiful, rich man-form.
And then he went on a date with April O’Neil.
Oh, how I hate Seymour.

Now he’s completely human again, is immune to further mutations and apparently has been hired by Professor McGuffin for a position at TCRI, as Donatello mentions, probably for further study.

[sdp]

Yeah I don't think he needed a conclussion, in fact I sort of like the original ending of him being able to transform at will better. I'd rather see the comic do a Fugitoid issue or have that robot from the show that also had an inconclusive story.

As far as 2012, every time it did something right it did some retarded ass thing, this is why I can't think of 2012 fondly. They had plenty of episodes too but the writer had too much of a hard on for horror parodies. I wish I had been posting around here during that time so i could've driven Ciro out of this forum faster than he did.

[ToTheNines]

Lmao, you’ve been on fire lately

[IMJ]

The specific moments of comedy of the 2012 show absolutely blows the '87 shows general atmosphere of humor out of the water.

But 2012 turned most of the cast into "monsters" rather than "mutants" and that was a big turnoff. And although the show looked pretty good in terms of animation and so on, I wasn't a real fan of many of the art designs. A lot of "Chibi" and schizophrenic-perception going on in proportions and so on....

To this day the best art direction has to be the early 2000's show, which to this day I haven't sat through the entirety of.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by IMJ

The specific moments of comedy of the 2012 show absolutely blows the '87 shows general atmosphere of humor out of the water.

But 2012 turned most of the cast into "monsters" rather than "mutants" and that was a big turnoff. And although the show looked pretty good in terms of animation and so on, I wasn't a real fan of many of the art designs. A lot of "Chibi" and schizophrenic-perception going on in proportions and so on....

To this day the best art direction has to be the early 2000's show, which to this day I haven't sat through the entirety of.

Uh, yeah. Remember how this show barely got to the explore the high tech cat burglar and Russian arms dealer before just... Turning them into Bebop and Rocksteady? There you had two characters who worked perfectly fine as is and... They just had to be turned into Bebop and Rocksteady...

To be fair, Zeck might have been intended to be Bebop from the start but I'm not so sure he was conceptualised as such, they could have easily given him the Mohawk during production. Convincing me that the arms dealer with with the diamond eye was always meant to be turned into a rhinoman on the other hand, not as easy.

[ToTheNines]

Yeah, Steranko was so interesting in season 1. I never would have guessed they would turn him into Rocksteady in a million years.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Heyowakka

Technically he didn’t revert back to a human at the end of the episode, he was still technically a mutant abomination, Donatello was just able to stabilize him so that he could remain in any form he chose.

And he chose a beautiful, rich man-form.
And then he went on a date with April O’Neil.
Oh, how I hate Seymour.

Now he’s completely human again, is immune to further mutations and apparently has been hired by Professor McGuffin for a position at TCRI, as Donatello mentions, probably for further study.

He couldn't transform at will. He was given the chance to do one last transformation that would be his 'final form' going forward. That's why Donatello said 'make it a good one' and Seymour opted to look like a handsome guy rather than his regular self.

I wonder if that explains why in the comic follow-up he eventually reverted back since the handsome man form technically wasn't him. Maybe the change would have been permanent had he just chosen his real self instead.

[Heyowakka]

Oh hey, that would definitely explain why he eventually went haywire, I like that a lot and consider it canon in my heart.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Uh, yeah. Remember how this show barely got to the explore the high tech cat burglar and Russian arms dealer before just... Turning them into Bebop and Rocksteady? There you had two characters who worked perfectly fine as is and... They just had to be turned into Bebop and Rocksteady...

you're making me remember even more bad decisions mutating dogpound to Rahzar, bruce lee hun oh god and i can keep naming them. What social media does Ciro use? So me and my bots can spam his posts and he stops using that as well.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by sdp

you're making me remember even more bad decisions mutating dogpound to Rahzar, bruce lee hun oh god and i can keep naming them. What social media does Ciro use? So me and my bots can spam his posts and he stops using that as well.

He’s on insta. Hit up Brandon Auman while you’re there lol

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by sdp

you're making me remember even more bad decisions mutating dogpound to Rahzar, bruce lee hun oh god and i can keep naming them. What social media does Ciro use? So me and my bots can spam his posts and he stops using that as well.

Dogpound to Rahzar was ok, design-wise, he just shouldn't have been called Rahzar. Just like the robo-Bradford shouldn't have been called Chrome Dome and the Bruce Lee guy shouldn't have been called Hun.

[Heyowakka]

Don’t forget about kaiju space Tokka.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Heyowakka

Don’t forget about kaiju space Tokka.

I recently learned that 2012 Tokka and Chompy Picasso were based on Terrorpin and Snappy Warhol:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I recently learned that 2012 Tokka and Chompy Picasso were based on Terrorpin and Snappy Warhol:

You mean Kevin Eastman didn't name Tokka after Tribal Jungle Ritual sounds? Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[ToTheNines]

Bro don’t get me banned again lol

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I recently learned that 2012 Tokka and Chompy Picasso were based on Terrorpin and Snappy Warhol:

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...etteMurphy.jpg

So why not just call them "Terrorpin and Snappy Warhol"?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So why not just call them "Terrorpin and Snappy Warhol"?

Well the original Tokka was based on Terrorpin anyway. So nostalgia points vs. esoteric reference. Although I’m surprised they didn’t have Mikey dub her “The Terrorpin” as a throwaway line.

With Chompy vs. Snappy… the last name never came into play after the debut episode, but I imagine they wanted him to have an Italian name ending in “o” in case they ever decided to mutate him into their fifth turtle. But maybe I’m crazy.