Where did the Langenstein as Irma's surname come from?

[ticktack]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Hm... Normally, I avoid replying to you because I'm pretty sure you're a troll, but this is something I wanted to talk about.

*cries in troll*

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by sdp

I find it endearing how Prowler will just remake his own threads after a couple of years.

Even his replies are remakes of his replies, he also mentions Misty Waterflower example in that thread.

That thread oldmanwinters linked is not mine, though? It's Original TMNT Fan's.

And yes, I know I tend to repeat myself. Often I have conversations that I don't remember that I already had a a couple of years ago. A few people in other places before have even joked I must have Alzheimers.

[Coola Yagami]

A funny thing is when I run into an old thread and was about to respond with something... and then I saw that I had already said the same thing on another post a few years earlier.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by ticktack

You mean this Irma?

https://64.media.tumblr.com/3d977ed2...dabc8f689a.pnj

Why does she look like 4Kids April?

[ticktack]

Originally Posted by Xav

Why does she look like 4Kids April?

Before this, I created an original character for a TOTTMNT version that essentially brought back the 4Kids-style April, but under the name Anna. I also talked about Shinigami and how shipping in the 2012 TMNT series is basically impossible. Looking back, those ideas may have been taken into consideration, because now we have Irma, who reflects a lot of those same elements.

I also asked ChatGPT your question: "Why does Tottmnt Irma look like 4Kids April?"

"Short answer: it’s intentional.
Irma in Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (TOTMNT) is designed as a clear visual homage to the 4Kids/2003 version of April O’Neil.

A soft reboot tradition in TMNT:
TMNT loves remixing past elements:
• names get reused
• personalities shift
• designs get reassigned

In short:
Irma looks like 4Kids April because she is meant to feel like her.
It’s a respectful throwback wrapped into a new character so the franchise can evolve without forgetting its roots."

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Xav

Why does she look like 4Kids April?

In what sense?

[Heyowakka]

In the sense that she’s not an affront to the eyes, I suppose.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by neatoman

In what sense?

They are both skinny, white, red-headed women in purple shirts.

[ticktack]

Originally Posted by Xav

They are both skinny, white, red-headed women in purple shirts.

From a commenter’s perspective, I’m not sure what kind of answer you’re expecting here—maybe you’re looking for confirmation.


I do have a few working theories, though:

1. The 2003 TMNT series treated its female characters with more respect and consistency, and it wasn’t afraid to show them as genuinely capable and impressive in their own right.

2. TOTMNT already leaned into the “reporter April” angle, so introducing another female character could have added a fresh dynamic rather than retreading familiar ground.

3. There’s a lot of unpleasant baggage around how female characters have been handled in other TMNT iterations—especially the sketchy, exploitative emphasis on shipping and appeal. This is very much in line with the habits of the Teen Titans creative lineage, where questionable choices in clothing, framing, movement, and romance often reduced female characters to props for bizarre male-centered antics rather than treating them as full characters.

[ToTheNines]

[CyberCubed]

Someone summarize, I don't have time to watch an 18 minute youtube video.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Someone summarize, I don't have time to watch an 18 minute youtube video.

Mostly padding for time for ten minutes by talking about what she was like in the show to eventually get to the point that there appears to be no real production for the surname, concluding that at best it was some obscure detail in production but is most likely just a fan fiction detail that wormed its way into official material. It's mostly just stuff you can find in this thread, including using this forum as a source.

... Kinda weird to see my own joke about Magrat Garlick and the question I asked to Bobby Curnow in that video...