Should all cars have breathalyzers built-in?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by IMJ

If that happened it should be immediate revolution against any locality that enabled it. If it happened on a state level, you leave that state. If it happens nationally bring on the Revolution and the Civil War. I'm in.

There’s literally nothing the federal government can’t do to us, and they know it. Not a single law they ever pass will result in a revolution. We’re that cucked. It’s over.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

There’s literally nothing the federal government can’t do to us, and they know it. Not a single law they ever pass will result in a revolution. We’re that cucked. It’s over.

Truth is that generally speaking, the people should actually be more worried about policy at the state level.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Where I Iive, drunk driving accidents are very common so I'd support this.

Originally Posted by IMJ

If that happened it should be immediate revolution against any locality that enabled it. If it happened on a state level, you leave that state. If it happens nationally bring on the Revolution and the Civil War. I'm in.

A revolution and civil war over breathalyzers? Seems a bit too over the top to me, and I'm generally the anti-government guy around here.

Then again some people were threatening revolutions over mask mandates and covid vaccines, and I don't think it really went anywhere.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

A revolution and civil war over breathalyzers? Seems a bit too over the top to me

I agree with IMJ that it is worth having a revolution over because we've seen how something like that can historically be the first step in insanity all in the name of "safety," but I also agree that we'd be too chickensh** to do anything about it beyond maybe making some angry Youtube videos.

Though I don't know. Let's say it's 2028 and a democrat takes the presidency and the republicans lose the house and the senate and there is a whiplash of EVERYTHING Trump did getting undone almost overnight (of course, except everything the democrats quietly like as in tariff money and oil) and a suddenly doubling down on everything going on before Trump re-took office. I think that sort of whiplash back into evil might just be what it takes for... something. Maybe not enough, but something.

[Mayhem]

It's 17 here in the UK, unless you have exceptional circumstances requiring mobility provision, then you can get a provisional (learner) licence at 16. I passed at 18 in the year between finishing school and going to university.

[Barkworm]

Oh, it‘s all about FREEDOM again. Boring.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Oh, it‘s all about FREEDOM again. Boring.

I mean, it’s the punishment coming before the crime. “Innocent until proven guilty” and all that.

It’s also insane because how ****ed up would it be if your stupid device started malfunctioning? You’re stone sober and end up late for work because it’s glitching out? What if you’re a woman at a party and need to get away from a dangerous situation?

[Barkworm]

The possibility of malfunction is the only downside I can see in this. Everything else is just people's sensitivities. Cars have various devices built in to check whether everything's safe to go, a breathalyser is just one more.

Let's have them worldwide! I'd have to get out thirty seconds earlier in the morning while the Technodrome right wingers are starting a civil war in the US.

[ToTheNines]

It’s interesting to me that you know how bad Palantir is, but you think a worldwide mandate of a punishment typically reserved for felons is a good thing.

More reasons this is stupid:

- You could be high as **** off of pills or smack or whatever, and this won’t matter.

- I’ve worked with many, many alcoholics. These things can be cheated in more ways than one.

- I recently rented a brand new car and it had all kinds of high tech anti-collision and lane maintaining features. Drunk driving will be on easy mode anyway in a couple years!

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I'd have to get out thirty seconds earlier in the morning while the Technodrome right wingers are starting a civil war in the US.

lol, the government is no match for my nunchaku skills!

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

It’s interesting to me that you know how bad Palantir is, but you think a worldwide mandate of a punishment typically reserved for felons is a good thing.

These things would only be related if breathalysers were always online and connected to some database. In that case, I‘d be completely against them! But that‘s not what we‘re talking about here, is it? I don‘t comprehend how it could be seen as ‚punishment‘ apart from stereotypically liberartarian conceptions of ‚freedom‘.

Of course, all of this discussion will be irrelevant in about 15 years when most Americans will just be driven around by robo-cars.

[ToTheNines]

If it’s not a punishment, then why is it only forced upon you after you are convicted of DUI?

Community service isn’t a “punishment” and everyone should be doing it anyway, but if a man with a gun shows up to take you to jail if you refuse to participate… that’s a punishment.

Maybe we can all just start checking in with a probation officer once week, too? There’s no harm in that. It might even prevent a few crimes!

[Barkworm]

You‘re being slightly hysterical, bro. Blowing into a device with no one except you knowing about the result is very different from being forced to go to a probation officer.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

What if you’re a woman at a party and need to get away from a dangerous situation?

Or there's a tsunami alert in your area and you've got 30 minutes to get out but you just had a drink. Or anything.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

The possibility of malfunction is the only downside I can see in this. Everything else is just people's sensitivities. Cars have various devices built in to check whether everything's safe to go, a breathalyser is just one more.

Let's have them worldwide! I'd have to get out thirty seconds earlier in the morning while the Technodrome right wingers are starting a civil war in the US.

I just bought a new car about two months ago and it's littered with safety features to the point of exaggeration. I'm sure the peasant-thinkers love it because the ease of thought for 'safety' but I can't even back my car up and move it in the driveway because it won't shift into gear unless I have my seatbelt on.

Advocating for a breathalyser everytime someone drives is exactly what the base-minded Technodrome savant would think makes perfect sense. Just like modern leftism, I see a pattern of "I am scared of life in every dimension and anything that imposes control for 'virtue constructs' makes perfect sense".

And once again the evidence is that these ridiculous things don't happen even though you and others here think they are good ideas. That should tell you something on it's own merits. That you guys are always fighting for outcomes that will borderline never be deployed in a normal society. That's not "a shame", that's "evidence of where you and others here stand against reality and clear thinking".

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

You‘re being slightly hysterical, bro. Blowing into a device with no one except you knowing about the result is very different from being forced to go to a probation officer.

I’m straight as hell. You’ll never catch me “blowing” anything.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by IMJ

I just bought a new car about two months ago and it's littered with safety features to the point of exaggeration. I'm sure the peasant-thinkers love it because the ease of thought for 'safety' but I can't even back my car up and move it in the driveway because it won't shift into gear unless I have my seatbelt on.

Advocating for a breathalyser everytime someone drives is exactly what the base-minded Technodrome savant would think makes perfect sense. Just like modern leftism, I see a pattern of "I am scared of life in every dimension and anything that imposes control for 'virtue constructs' makes perfect sense".

And once again the evidence is that these ridiculous things don't happen even though you and others here think they are good ideas. That should tell you something on it's own merits. That you guys are always fighting for outcomes that will borderline never be deployed in a normal society. That's not "a shame", that's "evidence of where you and others here stand against reality and clear thinking".

Yeeeeeah, we have different conceptions on what ‚normal‘ means, freedom ends where it could harm others, yadda yadda.

But it‘s good to see how incredibly predictable you are, in how many of your posts have you called someone a ‚peasant-thinker‘, 70 per cent? Seems like a pretty… peasant-like way of arguing.

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I’m straight as hell. You’ll never catch me “blowing” anything.

That‘s more like it.

[ToTheNines]

It's real: https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=b85fd...WN5LWRlYmF0ZS8

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

It's real: https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=b85fd...WN5LWRlYmF0ZS8

Not quite, but a lot closer to reality:

The vote does not create a new mandate, nor does it force automakers to install kill switches today. Instead, it preserves a directive passed as part of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act of 2021, which requires the Department of Transportation to develop a federal safety standard aimed at preventing drunk and impaired driving. That distinction, however, has done little to cool the argument.

[Barkworm]

Time for civil war!!!

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Time for civil war!!!

This idea and others, that the forum leftists routinely propose here, are never going to happen. Which on it's own merit makes the ongoing liberal nonsense much more irrational than stating that "ongoing infringements on normalcy and self-sufficiency would lead to physical combat over time".

"Ban guns!" Yeah okay. Keep arguing it with some false sense of intellectual superiority, yet it's never going to happen. That's very telling.
"Put breathalyzers in cars as a matter of law!" Yeah okay. Keep arguing that too as if there's ground on it. Never going to happen, very telling.
"Nazism is overrunning America!" Yeah okay. Keep pushing that BS from your "side". There is no nazism overrunning America, but the cry for virtue in a space where it isn't accurate is very telling.

I could go on and on, but the point? The mismatch between the average leftist-weirdos ongoing "argument" versus "reality" is incredibly revealing. A complete disconnect between idea-and-reality when measured against fact or event.

But by all means, keep discussing as if these positions actually make sense! -thumb's up-