US American politics

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Nope, you are expected to comply with law enforcement.

Those thugs are anything but law enforcement.

[ranger_scout]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The article just says he's warning that he might.

Thanks for the correction.

[CyberCubed]

Criminals will pay for their crimes. On both sides.

[member_removed]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Nope, you are expected to comply with law enforcement. I'm sorry if this is like breaking news. You don't get to not comply and, instead, do funny stuff with your vehicle around or at them... this gets you killed. Fast.

If only Ashley Babbit had listened to your words.

[Mayhem]

Mayor tells ICE to get the **** out of the city

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTOQo...E2Y2J4ODExbA==

Also coming out that ICE blocked attempts from medical crew and a doctor that lived nearby from administering any kind of intervention and let her bleed out.

From Title 1, U.S. DOJ Policy on Use of Force:

“Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury … and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

Also, placing oneself in the path of a moving vehicle constitutes officer-created jeopardy and undermines any claim that deadly force was necessary.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Mayor tells ICE to get the **** out of the city

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTOQo...E2Y2J4ODExbA==

Also coming out that ICE blocked attempts from medical crew and a doctor that lived nearby from administering any kind of intervention and let her bleed out.

From Title 1, U.S. DOJ Policy on Use of Force:

“Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury … and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

Also, placing oneself in the path of a moving vehicle constitutes officer-created jeopardy and undermines any claim that deadly force was necessary.

Good. Get the **** rid of em.

[ranger_scout]

NBC did a good breakdown of what happened in Minneapolis.

https://x.com/CurtisHouck/status/2009060728448176595

[Andrew NDB]

Pretty spot-on assessment of the woman vs. ICE:

[IMJ]

The woman in the car set the situation up on so many levels that it's undeniable to anyone using reality as opposed to the Marxist playbook of gaslighting and finding wedges.

-She shouldn't have approached LE in the first place, let alone in a state of confrontation. That sets the stage to be suppressed as a threat.
-She was in a vehicle in a hostile condition and wasn't complying with direct orders to leave the area. That escalates the situation to be suppressed as a threat.
-She then moved the vehicle, which are essentially 2-ton bullets that can steer, into Officers after setting the stage as described above. She is now an active threat and hostile towards officers.

That's it. The end.

And then there are the other people - the manipulative gaslighters who say $#!( like "the officer reached for his gun", which is an irrelevant point - he's an Officer - he can reach for his gun. Simply within the framework of interacting with L.E., you as the "citizen" stop - not the officer. Anyone who doesn't understand this literally deserves to be shot as you are operating as a sociopath outside the constructed tenets of society. We give cops guns because their station commands they can be trusted with them at large. But I think most of you actually know this but are saying otherwise anyway in order to throw your tantrums or to provoke as if it gives you power. The "power trip" is yours, not L.E.

For those of you who think you understand but don't? The L.E. is the "control" and you are the "variable". And so if you keep behaving in "variable, unstable ways" while L.E. operates under the same condition, then in fact you are the one escalating and are the problem. There are a world of people who appear to have never learned these things about L.E. and for those of you who are like that - your parents failed you miserably.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by IMJ

The woman in the car set the situation up on so many levels that it's undeniable to anyone using reality as opposed to the Marxist playbook of gaslighting and finding wedges.

-She shouldn't have approached LE in the first place, let alone in a state of confrontation. That sets the stage to be suppressed as a threat.
-She was in a vehicle in a hostile condition and wasn't complying with direct orders to leave the area. That escalates the situation to be suppressed as a threat.
-She then moved the vehicle, which are essentially 2-ton bullets that can steer, into Officers after setting the stage as described above. She is now an active threat and hostile towards officers.

That's it. The end.

And then there are the other people - the manipulative gaslighters who say $#!( like "the officer reached for his gun", which is an irrelevant point - he's an Officer - he can reach for his gun. Simply within the framework of interacting with L.E., you as the "citizen" stop - not the officer. Anyone who doesn't understand this literally deserves to be shot as you are operating as a sociopath outside the constructed tenets of society. We give cops guns because their station commands they can be trusted with them at large. But I think most of you actually know this but are saying otherwise anyway in order to throw your tantrums or to provoke as if it gives you power. The "power trip" is yours, not L.E.

For those of you who think you understand but don't? The L.E. is the "control" and you are the "variable". And so if you keep behaving in "variable, unstable ways" while L.E. operates under the same condition, then in fact you are the one escalating and are the problem. There are a world of people who appear to have never learned these things about L.E. and for those of you who are like that - your parents failed you miserably.

There were a million ways that could have gone down without shooting her dead. Getting the **** out of the way for example. Or shoot the tires. Or anything other than committing murder.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

There were a million ways that could have gone down without shooting her dead. Getting the **** out of the way for example. Or shoot the tires. Or anything other than committing murder.

The same reason "Why didn't that cop just shoot them in the leg?!?!" kind of stuff. A split second could mean life or death. You shoot them in the leg they can still fire on you and kill you. Conversely, you shoot out a tire a car can still run you over. In fact, it changes very little.

I really thought you were smarter than this, man.

[TonySiegel]

Has any of the pro-police posters in here ever gotten harassed by law enforcement?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by IMJ

For those of you who think you understand but don't? The L.E. is the "control" and you are the "variable". And so if you keep behaving in "variable, unstable ways" while L.E. operates under the same condition, then in fact you are the one escalating and are the problem. There are a world of people who appear to have never learned these things about L.E. and for those of you who are like that - your parents failed you miserably.

The Law Enforcement is not the Control. Control requires obedience and loyalty.

Good's death has sparked nationwide protests and disgust at ICE, and the entire administration as a whole.

You simply don't have "control" if most of the nation hates you, and acts of defiance increase by the day.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TonySiegel

Has any of the pro-police posters in here ever gotten harassed by law enforcement?

No, but I've tazed myself. Or been tazed by buddies. Does that count?

[Stu_Padasso]

Originally Posted by TonySiegel

Has any of the pro-police posters in here ever gotten harassed by law enforcement?

You rang?

Cops are people .Good. Bad. Somewhere in between. Blame the politicians and activists for passing stupid laws.

[Stu_Padasso]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No, but I've tazed myself. Or been tazed by buddies. Does that count?

LOL!

“I’m Andrew and this is Jackass!”

My sister once accidentally pepper sprayed me while testing it in my apartment.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

There were a million ways that could have gone down without shooting her dead. Getting the **** out of the way for example. Or shoot the tires. Or anything other than committing murder.

This was possibly the most T.V-Level, Childlike thing I've ever seen you write here.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

The Law Enforcement is not the Control. Control requires obedience and loyalty.

Good's death has sparked nationwide protests and disgust at ICE, and the entire administration as a whole.

You simply don't have "control" if most of the nation hates you, and acts of defiance increase by the day.

This following that. And wrong on every level.

"Control" was the term rooted in the experiment, not "control of the public". Control meaning that L.E. follows the procedure doing the same thing in repetition usually fairly well while the public is the variable - full of nonsense responses that aren't predictable.

But to your misunderstood-point, L.E. DOES have control of any situation they are involved in. That's how you enforce laws. You don't yield "control" to a maniac using a vehicle as a weapon.

I can't believe I'm even explaining this.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by IMJ

But to your misunderstood-point, L.E. DOES have control of any situation they are involved in.

Surrreeeeee they do. All under control.....

[Barkworm]

Americans need to go crazy in their country as much as they want. Just keep your hands off Europe. Any smart European leader needs to scale back on relations to the US as much as they can.

[Mayhem]

You can blame politicians for passing the laws. You can also blame the process that is allowing people who should not be recruited into these positions be recruited into these positions. Right now that’s from a sense of absolute demand and seemingly anyone is game even if they can’t run or shoot properly.

Originally Posted by TonySiegel

Has any of the pro-police posters in here ever gotten harassed by law enforcement?

Probably not because they are all white males. Every American friend I have or have had that has complained about harassment is not in that demographic.