Marvel Studios Daredevil Born Again

[nidza_maj2000]

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It is also good they featured footage from Netflix show for flashbacks maybe

[nidza_maj2000]

Here is trailer for Punisher special presentation, here: https://youtu.be/oSeqs_xeqv4?si=wxzqmxHZhQ5fyxWg so what do you guys think about it maybe?

[Andrew NDB]

I will say, episode 4 is the first episode of Born Again that felt like in the same vein as the Netflix show. Pretty good. I hope the same momentum is maintained.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I will say, episode 4 is the first episode of Born Again that felt like in the same vein as the Netflix show. Pretty good. I hope the same momentum is maintained.

What is your opinion about Punisher special presentation trailer?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

What is your opinion about Punisher special presentation trailer?

Looks great! Though where is... what's her name. The main villain in the story this is supposed to adapt? The one he chops the arms and legs off of?

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Looks great! Though where is... what's her name. The main villain in the story this is supposed to adapt? The one he chops the arms and legs off of?

It really looks good, there are even rumors that Sadie Sink might appear as Jean Grey in post credits scene of special presentation setting up Spiderman Brand New Day movie

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I will say, episode 4 is the first episode of Born Again that felt like in the same vein as the Netflix show. Pretty good. I hope the same momentum is maintained.

Also flashbacks from Netflix show literally went full screen like that show which is also good

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Also flashbacks from Netflix show literally went full screen like that show which is also good

They might as well. I bet that kid that played Young Matt from 10 years ago is happy he gets a few bucks now from Disney+, too.

The only bad things, IMO, about bringing ALL of Netflix into canon is this:

* Jigsaw. Great actor but what a HORRIBLE take on him when he actually became Jigsaw. Guy was like a pretty boy pansy even then and I have no idea why they were afraid to give him the messed up face. And now he's dead. Punisher's greatest and most iconic bad guy, never to be realized now.

* The damage to the Hand in The Defenders. And by damage I mean The Hand becoming a joke in that after being so mysterious and cool and scary in Daredevil seasons 1 and 2. That'll take some... damage control, for sure, but it looks like it's coming.

* They way they did Danny Rand at the end of Iron Fist season 2. But I guess they'll just ignore that away or something?

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

They might as well. I bet that kid that played Young Matt from 10 years ago is happy he gets a few bucks now from Disney+, too.

The only bad things, IMO, about bringing ALL of Netflix into canon is this:

* Jigsaw. Great actor but what a HORRIBLE take on him when he actually became Jigsaw. Guy was like a pretty boy pansy even then and I have no idea why they were afraid to give him the messed up face. And now he's dead. Punisher's greatest and most iconic bad guy, never to be realized now.

* The damage to the Hand in The Defenders. That'll take some... damage control, for sure, but it looks like it's coming.

* They way they did Danny Rand at the end of Iron Fist season 2. But I guess they'll just ignore that away or something?

Well we will see and I am also interested to see will we see Daniella Cage in season 2 or 3

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

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I think they'll do something like Vanessa will go into a coma and come out with brain damage/memory loss... and Kingpin will set her up somewhere nice or something. So she'll be out of the picture UNLESS they want her not to be in a few years (she could recover, get some Extremis treatment, etc.).

I have always liked Karen but I don't really care for what they're doing with her here. Now she's getting into open firefights with her pistol vs. 10+ armed and trained officers? Out-fighting them, too, after one lesson with Matt? It seems like they ARE going from one extreme to the other here.

Spoiler:

Richard was not used. In the comics after Wilson Fisk becomes the mayor of New York, he obtains the Tablet of Life and Destiny and the Tablet of Death and Entropy and uses them to resurrect Richard Fisk instead of Vanessa knowing it would be her wish, she having killed Richard who cornered her and defending her husband. So if we go mystic the tablets could be a plot device to have Peter selfishly want t revive May while Frank wishes to revive his family and Wilson Vanessa. That could also explainThe Hand in Brand New Day. The tablets have not even been mentioned but the plot is a viable direction.

As for Karen being an excellent shot, she has had to use a gun before in the Neflix series so its not too far off the rails. I get really annoyed when April O'Neil joins the fight. Some characters can contribute without suiting up and fighting. We are not going to get it but when I think of a reaistence I dont think of civilians, I think Spider-Man, Moon Knight, Iron Fist, Power Man, Jewel, The Punisher taking on Kingpin in a fight and 3xposing him.


This is too plain clothes. I just learned one of the random cabinet members is a character called Bullet. Its like how Gladiator never is fully realized or The Owl. Its still great but costumed heroes and villains are better!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

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As for Karen being an excellent shot, she has had to use a gun before in the Neflix series so its not too far off the rails.

You mean the one time against the unarmed guy (by virtue of her snatching his firearm) sitting two feet across from the table from her?

[nidza_maj2000]

So do you guys believe rumors that Punisher One Last Kill will tease Jean in post credits scene?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

So do you guys believe rumors that Punisher One Last Kill will tease Jean in post credits scene?

It DOES seem like the movie will only exist because Bernthal was wanted in Spider-Man 4, somewhat unexpectedly. So it is at least possible Marvel would want to shoehorn in at least some kind of middle that sets up the Punisher in Spider-Man 4. There were earlier reports (before it became more definitive that she is Jean Grey) that Sink was playing some kind of Punisher sidekick due to set reports, so they might somehow squeeze that in.

BUT... this Punisher movie is only like an hour long and its supposedly adapting Garth Ennis' "Welcome Back, Frank," with Punisher going head to head with Ma Gnucci and a whole crime family... so I can't imagine there will be exactly a surplus of extra time for stuff like Jean Grey.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It DOES seem like the movie will only exist because Bernthal was wanted in Spider-Man 4, somewhat unexpectedly. So it is at least possible Marvel would want to shoehorn in at least some kind of middle that sets up the Punisher in Spider-Man 4. There were earlier reports (before it became more definitive that she is Jean Grey) that Sink was playing some kind of Punisher sidekick due to set reports, so they might somehow squeeze that in.

BUT... this Punisher movie is only like an hour long and its supposedly adapting Garth Ennis' "Welcome Back, Frank," with Punisher going head to head with Ma Gnucci and a whole crime family... so I can't imagine there will be exactly a surplus of extra time for stuff like Jean Grey.

Which is why it might only happen in post credits scene

[nidza_maj2000]

Season 2 episode 5 might confirm was that really Watcher cameo in episode 4 if he appears again outside hospital window where Venessa might die maybe

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Season 2 episode 5 might confirm was that really Watcher cameo in episode 4 if he appears again outside hospital window where Venessa might die maybe

Pretty sure that was just a one off fun thing. Though part of me does wonder how seriously we are to take Kingpin's comment about "How many are there?" about other worlds to conquer, if that's some passing reference to long term Kingpin plans. Probably not, but fun to ponder.

Elodie Yung has been posting a lot of vague stuff on her Instagram that alludes to Elektra. If the Hand is back and all that'd make a lot of sense if she pops back up in season 3... or maybe even something in Spider-Man (which also has the Hand).

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Pretty sure that was just a one off fun thing. Though part of me does wonder how seriously we are to take Kingpin's comment about "How many are there?" about other worlds to conquer, if that's some passing reference to long term Kingpin plans. Probably not, but fun to ponder.

Elodie Yung has been posting a lot of vague stuff on her Instagram that alludes to Elektra. If the Hand is back and all that'd make a lot of sense if she pops back up in season 3... or maybe even something in Spider-Man (which also has the Hand).

How likely do you think it is for this Kingpin to build collider to find other worlds to save Vanessa maybe?

[Andrew NDB]

Just saw episode 5. Pretty solid again. Now, who was dead in the back of that car? It's not BB, right?

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

How likely do you think it is for this Kingpin to build collider to find other worlds to save Vanessa maybe?

Probably not likely at all in the foreseeable future.

[nidza_maj2000]

Season 2 episode 5 is really good

Spoiler:

Fisk might return to his season 1 self from Netflix show starting next episode because Vanessa is now dead, also Jessica returns in next episode

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Spoiler:

Fisk might return to his season 1 self from Netflix show starting next episode

I think anything less than that would be extremely disappointing. Especially considering there are only THREE episodes left and there really hasn't been any movement with Fisk's "war on vigilantes" since last season.