Michael Jackson has passed away.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Freddie and Michael - There Must Be More To Life Than This.


Now they're both gone. Damn.

[XERO]

Man, you're putting up MJ stuff I never knew existed.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Benvenuto

Yeah, who wasn't? The scariest part for me back then was the zombie coming out of the coffin tomb. I was more used to them coming out of the ground.

Man, that song never gets old.

They showed from TV in 1984 recently, and the program with music videos was moved to later in the evening that day because of that music video.

[prophecy718]

just released today after 25 years

[Ninjinister]

I've been listening to Sonic 3/MJ mashups all afternoon. There's actually a couple I like better with the overlying Sonic 3 music, like Stranger in Moscow.

[sdp]

[Andrew NDB]

Do you guys all think MJ was guilty of kid-fiddling? I have no doubts he probably did things that the parents probably wouldn't have approved of to at times look "Cool" to the kids going to his ranch and all, but I've not really seen any compelling evidence of anything sexual from his accusers. Which isn't to say he wasn't a really, really weird dude.

Also, large parts of that "expose" documentary have been dismantled since its release but people seem to mostly pretend that isn't the case.

[sdp]

Isn't it funny how he wasn't on the list where every other big powerful person was, and he frequently said how the elite were conspiring against him?

Also I know this will come off wrong but I don't know how to say it otherwise but anyone else just likes white Michael Jackson's songs? I don't care for his black era.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

Isn't it funny how he wasn't on the list where every other big powerful person was, and he frequently said how the elite were conspiring against him?

I do, and there might be something to that. But mostly I think it's people smelling the blood in the water over the passing years. Whether its accusers smelling a payday or hacks smelling a con$piracy they can market and sell.

Also I know this will come off wrong but I don't know how to say it otherwise but anyone else just likes white Michael Jackson's songs? I don't care for his black era.

I'm by no means a huge fan of his but I think there's gems in all eras of his work. Even from his final album.

[Mayhem]

At the time, it seemed very suss. With time and hindsight, I think it’s clearer that things were weird but not necessarily anything illegal happened,

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I hope Mike's ok

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

This makes me sick... I really don't wanna hear ****** Michael jokes tomorrow at work.

2009 era ToTheNines are you alright?

[XERO]

So... who saw the movie?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

2009 era ToTheNines are you alright?

lol, yo I was going through it!

I had just started actually listening to MJ in like 2008. I was still in high school and had made a friend who was into the same kind of music as me. We would always bond over underground rap and other weird music. One day he was signing Billie Jean or something in class and I more or less called him gay lol.

He recommended all the great deep cuts and I was hooked! Hated to see him go so soon after me getting into his music.

Here’s a great lesser-known song from his later work:

[frank_one]

I miss his music.

[Barkworm]

I have been listening to his music a lot lately and man, he was so incredibly talented. But often creative genius is fueled or even created by emotional trauma and his childhood was absolutely ****ed up.

Whether or not he became a pedophile because of that... It wouldn't take a big stretch of imagination to suppose that a guy who openly admitted to sharing a bed with his underage guests would actually be a sex pervert although it does strongly contradict the genuine vibe of innocence he gave off all his life. Like, does anyone remember that part in the famous Oprah interview where she asked him whether he was still a virgin and he just gets really defensive and embarrassed? And he was 34 then and the biggest popstar of all time.

I've never watched the "Leaving Neverland" documentary but to my knowledge, there has never been any actual evidence for all the accusations. Which doesn't prove his innocence, of course but I think of myself as someone who understands people really well and to me, he primarily came across as someone deeply troubled and weird - but not malicious.

[ZariusTwo]

He shouldn't have done what he did with those kids, because they had to grow up and he couldn't/wouldn't due to his own childhood being as traumatic and brutal as it was.

They live with the stigma of being associated with him at a time of real scrutiny, and having to survive in the shadow of it years in between the trials and his eventual passing.

I can't blame them for trying to pin a tail on him. They could be exaggerating or lying, but the pain is real, the anger is real.

Jackson spoke truth to power many times too, of which I do not fault, it's just whenever someone challenges the establishments, they tend to get snakebit.

His music is forever, I will always cherish that, but this is, as he would sing about, is 'human nature'

[ToTheNines]

I also don’t believe MJ did anything sinister. Weird, yes. But I don’t think he hurt anyone and pretty much all of his accusations have been exposed as money grabs.

Short version of how it started. Michael was helped by a tow-truck driver one night who was thrilled to meet him and told him his wife and step-son were also big fans. Michael ended up befriending the whole family, especially the son, Jordy.

When the biological dad (Evan Chandler, look him up. He was almost six figures behind on child support at the time.) found out Jordy had stayed the night, he decided to go after Michael’s money. Got a drugged confession out of the kid, who eventually recanted. Here’s some recorded phone calls showing the dad’s intentions:



WITCH HUNT! TERRIBLE!