Marvel Studios Daredevil Born Again

[Andrew NDB]

The whole show is filler. It's basically "What if Fisk was Trump and had ICE agents as secret police?" coupled with a writers room just making stuff up every week and changing direction from episode to episode.

Good lord, I was watching the podcast and they even talk about how they didn't even film Daniel getting shot by Buck and they'd even shot whole scenes of him afterward surviving that encounter. But then they went back and CGIed Buck to shoot him in the head and went back and rewrote their whole plan for the rest of the season with him. That is no way to create.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The whole show is filler. It's basically "What if Fisk was Trump and had ICE agents as secret police?" coupled with a writers room just making stuff up every week and changing direction from episode to episode.

Good lord, I was watching the podcast and they even talk about how they didn't even film Daniel getting shot by Buck and they'd even shot whole scenes of him afterward surviving that encounter. But then they went back and CGIed Buck to shoot him in the head and went back and rewrote their whole plan for the rest of the season with him. That is no way to create.

We will see how season 3 will be, so do you think season 1 or 2 is better?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

We will see how season 3 will be, so do you think season 1 or 2 is better?

The Frank Castle stuff was better than anything in season 2, even though it was written horribly. So probably season 1.

[Daytona]

I thought episode 1 of season 1 was quite enjoyable. That’s probably my favorite episode since Disney revived the show. The Bullseye diner scene in episode 4(?) of season 2 was cool too but this show has a difficult time keeping my attention from scene to scene.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Daytona

I thought episode 1 of season 1 was quite enjoyable. That’s probably my favorite episode since Disney revived the show.

Because there's no cohesion. In Netflix you'd have a bunch of characters who would have sideplots but pretty much each episode would snap all of them together into something narratively satisfying. The Disney+ show it's just a whole bunch of characters and sideplots and they just derail everything or go nowhere, or go places that aren't good.

Like all that time with the Swordsman, what was the point in any of that, all of those scenes? How did any of it pay off? All this time on the midget White Tiger lady? Just to give us one more face in the crowd of the final episode? Matthew Lillard's whole character? BB's propaganda side pieces, who are they for and what are they benefitting? Why even spend all that time developing Daniel and Buck if they were just going to dispense with Daniel and Buck is still right where he started off? All that time about the ship in the harbor that gets sunk? The weapons sideplot doesn't even make any sense. As mayor he is able to arm all of his AVTF people regardless... he just needed a bunch of extra AR Rifles for what? It wasn't like there was any unarmed AVTF agents before he got them or even after they were all blown up. You can just hear that stupid writers room, going, "We need to find a way Matt can 'get' Kingpin!" "I know, he's caught SMUGGLING WEAPONS into the city!" even though that doesn't make any sense. Stupid, stupid.

You know what's funny? I would bet you that they initially wrote season 2 with the idea that Punisher would be a huge part of it but then Spider-Man 4 happened and the special presentation Punisher movie (which happened BECAUSE he's in Spider-Man 4, guaranteed) and they lost him... so they were left with this Punisher-sized hole in things. And they probably largely put KAREN into that role, and you can kind of tell.

Originally Posted by Daytona

The Bullseye diner scene in episode 4(?) of season 2 was cool too but this show has a difficult time keeping my attention from scene to scene.

And what was even the point of that scene, other than to basically make mincemeat out of ICE for the audience? It didn't connect to anything else, it didn't take us anywhere furthering the story.

[nidza_maj2000]

So if we remove season 1 episode 5 nothing would change for rest of series

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

So if we remove season 1 episode 5 nothing would change for rest of series

If you remove 90% of the show nothing would change for the rest of the series because there isn't anything going on.

What even is the "arc" for Daredevil/Matt Murdock in this? Can anyone tell me? There really isn't one. If anything, he's gone backwards.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If you remove 90% of the show nothing would change for the rest of the series because there isn't anything going on.

What even is the "arc" for Daredevil/Matt Murdock in this? Can anyone tell me? There really isn't one. If anything, he's gone backwards.

If this gets season 4 maybe they will hire new showrunners, would you like that maybe?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

If this gets season 4

It won't. Nobody is watching it, it's not making a single chart and if season 3 hadn't already been greenlit before season 2 came out then it would surely be cancelled now. They killed it by not hiring writers.

[nidza_maj2000]

We will see how Punisher One Last Kill special presentation turns out next week, I know this is not Daredevil related but still

[Daytona]

Yeah at this rate it will likely end at season 3 and we’ll see Daredevil incorporated into some type of “Marvel Knights” movie with a few other financial rejects. Maybe even Midnight Sons.

[ToTheNines]

I try to not have big opinions about anything without actually watching/reading it, but this sounds really awful. So sad to what the MCU has become. I’ve been dabbling and staying half-interested for the past 6 years, but I will be truly done after Secret Wars.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I try to not have big opinions about anything without actually watching/reading it, but this sounds really awful. So sad to what the MCU has become. I’ve been dabbling and staying half-interested for the past 6 years, but I will be truly done after Secret Wars.

It's a little bit heartbreaking, honestly. Going back to the Netflix shows, even when the MCU was still GOOD and in the middle of Phase II or Phase III, I would have traded all of those movies away just for the Daredevil and Punisher shows and even maybe Jessica Jones season 1 at Netflix. They were THAT good.

Now? Now Disney has revivified the Netflix bunch but has just cheaply thrown them to their "house" sh**ty writers. It retroactively even harms the Netflix shows. And now there's not one thing I care about or am looking forward to at Marvel except maybe the Punisher movie, or Spider-Man 4.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Daytona

Yeah at this rate it will likely end at season 3 and we’ll see Daredevil incorporated into some type of “Marvel Knights” movie with a few other financial rejects. Maybe even Midnight Sons.

Midnight Sons has been in development for a while. It was supposed to be the event movie that most of the post Endgame movies would lead up to, back when that era was supposed to be more magic/supernatural. Then DC wanted to do Flaspoint and Marvel decided they needed to beat to the punch of a multiverse story.

A Marvel Knights movie would honestly be great, and should have happened already. A good place to put Shang-chi, Moon Knight and honestly a better place for Yelena. Include some of the Netflix characters in a street level story would've been awesome.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Midnight Sons has been in development for a while.

Has it, though? I kind of figured it died during the great Marvel belt-tightening/purge during that last strike. And if it didn't, then the Thunderbolts flopping hard probably scared Marvel away from weirdo/lower tier character team-up movies for the foreseeable future.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Has it, though? I kind of figured it died during the great Marvel belt-tightening/purge during that last strike. And if it didn't, then the Thunderbolts flopping hard probably scared Marvel away from weirdo/lower tier character team-up movies for the foreseeable future.

Possibly dropped - it was already on the back burner. I know Ghost Rider has never had a successful movie but I think the general movie going audience seems to like Cumberbatch as Strange, Blade still carries a certain amount of cultural cache. Team them up, throw in a guest appearance from an MCU stalwart, I bet it'd do better than Not-Thunderbolts.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I know Ghost Rider has never had a successful movie

Ghost Rider 1 was successful enough to get a sequel.

[nidza_maj2000]

We might also get Kamala in season 3, here: https://x.com/cosmic_marvel/status/2058206258075713846

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

We might also get Kamala in season 3, here: https://x.com/cosmic_marvel/status/2058206258075713846

That'd be surprising considering her actress has been criticising Marvel lately for how Ms. Marvel is written in the comics

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

That'd be surprising considering her actress has been criticising Marvel lately for how Ms. Marvel is written in the comics

She could still appear maybe, it would be miss opportunity if she was on set and not have any role because her father appeared in season 1