TMNT #20 (IDW Vol. 2) preview/discussion

[TheLabRat]

Originally Posted by Fenryr

[url]Time for these Turtles to move to a farm upstate.

They can go to Dimension X to start a new life. The premise is that they need to learn to be a little selfish and prioritize their own interests and realized that it was foolish to spend their entire lives to be the city's guardian angels. Let the villains like Karai, Stockman, Bebop and Rocksteady, etc continue down an immoral path in life which eventually leads to their destruction.

[CyberCubed]

I think this story felt like two separate issues combined into one. Like the part that starts with Raph talking to Karai in her HQ's felt like the start of a completely different issue, but it felt like that was combined with the previous story. That's why it moved so fast too, the whole skirmish in the alley with Bebop/Rocksteady should have been most of the issue, and then the stuff with Casey and his mother would have gotten more than a single page in the next issue.

So is the God woman dead? Tang Shen said they were immortals in the same issue but I guess God's can kill other God's?

[Fenryr]

If they use the kusarigama that Lady Izanami gave to Tang Shen to kill General Eight Thunders, I'm quitting TMNT.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I think this story felt like two separate issues combined into one. Like the part that starts with Raph talking to Karai in her HQ's felt like the start of a completely different issue, but it felt like that was combined with the previous story. That's why it moved so fast too, the whole skirmish in the alley with Bebop/Rocksteady should have been most of the issue, and then the stuff with Casey and his mother would have gotten more than a single page in the next issue.

Yes, thank you. I guess they thought a bunch of things had to happen to justify the “event”, but it came at the cost of good pacing.

If anything the main story should have been a double length issue and the Renet thing could have been a one-shot that was an actual story instead of an ad for IDW’s reprint program.

Originally Posted by Fenryr

If they use the kusarigama that Lady Izanami gave to Tang Shen to kill General Eight Thunders, I'm quitting TMNT.

I could see it.

[CyberCubed]

It does kinda feel like the chinese writer is writing all the old villains as typical supervillains, doesn't it? Like now Baxter is working with Karai directly again, it sort of feels like something you'd see in the cartoons. The way Karai, Shinigami and Baxter were all standing there with huge grins on their faces as they summoned the ancient Foot warriors, it's like an episode from the cartoons.

It's like the next episode where the villains come up with a new plan to defeat the Turtles, or send some new bad guys after them, or something like that. It sort of feels like they can't exactly, "progress" Karai from where she is now, she's sort of at a standstill and she is just dealing with the Turtles week after week.

That's why they gotta get the Shredder/Dog Star gang plot interwoven with the main series, because at this point it just feels like "monster of the week" plots.

[TheLabRat]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It does kinda feel like the chinese writer is writing all the old villains as typical supervillains, doesn't it? Like now Baxter is working with Karai directly again, it sort of feels like something you'd see in the cartoons. The way Karai, Shinigami and Baxter were all standing there with huge grins on their faces as they summoned the ancient Foot warriors, it's like an episode from the cartoons.

It's like the next episode where the villains come up with a new plan to defeat the Turtles, or send some new bad guys after them, or something like that. It sort of feels like they can't exactly, "progress" Karai from where she is now, she's sort of at a standstill and she is just dealing with the Turtles week after week.

That's why they gotta get the Shredder/Dog Star gang plot interwoven with the main series, because at this point it just feels like "monster of the week" plots.

They might be trying to make her like 2003 Karai, not allow her to commit any truly heinous acts, so that she can sometimes be an ambiguous ally in future stories, even though she has previously nearly killed the turtles multiple times.

[Dancefloran]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Let's see, "anyone who used to be dead"? As in "dead" dead and not saved by time travel or alien biology or something? Does that apply to any characters aside from the three we see here?

Probably anyone who died in the "anyone who visited Yomi no kuni and came back" sense. And not "anyone who used to be dead narratively but actually wasn't dead due to a retcon" sense.
However I suppose the Turtles who got reincarnated are excluded from this rule because they followed a "natural" cycle of reincarnation where they forget their past lives.
Although it is true Michelangelo visited the dead realm (not by dying) and Donatello was brought back to life visiting a place between life and death.
Also it is not known if the dead realm is the same for characters who originated from different dimensions/timelines.

IDW dead characters are the following :

• Utroms : Krang, Ch'rell, Lorqa, Montuoro, Quanin...
• Triceratons : Zom...
• Arnold Jones/Hun
• Cassandra Jones
• Blind Buck
• EPF soliders : Jonathan and Wayne Bishop...
• Professor Miller
• Savate ninjas : Victor...
• Dog star ninjas
• Rock soldiers
• Darkwater soldiers : Wesley Knight...
• Foot ninjas : Ria, Rita, Masato, Oroku Maji, Shredder's sons, Mongo, Yumiko...
• Toshiro (soul erased, not resurrectable)
• Takeshi Tatsuo (former soul of Shredder, probably not resurrectable)
• Darius Dun (soul trapped with Ghostbusters, not resurrectable)
• Venus
• Bob
• Groundchuck, Dirtbag, Ziggy
• Savanti Romero
• Apap, Gorath, Traxus
• Lao Ban
• Anti-mutant mercenaries : Travis Fleck
• Xiang Fei Tong
• Lamina Negra Commandos : Reggaeton
• Ocho
• Mafia members : Antonio Puzorelli, Lupo, Antoni Rosetti Sr...
• Yakuzas : Hayashi Toru, Norinaga...
• King Cobra (death not confirmed but likely)
• Mutants civilians
• StockGen Experiments : Wingnut, Screwloose, Angleron, Scumbug, Soakorr
• Doctor Bond, Doctor Meinhard Gast
• Pantheon Gods : Kitsune, Rat King, Chi-You, Aka, Manmoth, Gothano, Toad Baron, Jagwar

[Heyowakka]

You forgot the most important character whom tragically passed far too soon; ace reporter, Vernon Fenwick!

[Dancefloran]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's not that hard to do if you just don't read it.

I like it hard actually lmao

Originally Posted by Heyowakka

You forgot the most important character whom tragically passed far too soon; ace reporter, Vernon Fenwick!

Damn you're right !

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Dancefloran

I like it hard actually lmao

[lonewarrior20]

You know it would've been funny if they would've also given her a black robe that she had to also wear while doing the deed.